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Soooo ZOS... about that bankable ap?

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Can we have i now or at least agood reason as to why you wont make ap the only form of currency hat is not bankable??? Been 2 years this has been being asked for and not a single word about why we cant or wont get it.
Edited by bowmanz607 on July 24, 2016 7:11PM
  • UltimaJoe777
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    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 23, 2016 6:33AM
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    It wouldnt be hard to do, just add up all the AP points across all characters and put it as a number under currency instead of the individual character's' number. I agree it is a currency because we use it to buy things and it would be more alt friendly if we could combine the AP they all earn into one pool.
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  • MrAppleman
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    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.

    I believe this is not a valid argument as for example, potions bought with AP on a Daggerfall character can be shared with your AD character, items are not bound to a specific character. So it doesn't make any sense to have your AP points spread out between characters on your account.
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  • MrAppleman
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.

    I believe this is not a valid argument as for example, potions bought with AP on a Daggerfall character can be shared with your AD character, items are not bound to a specific character. So it doesn't make any sense to have your AP points spread out between characters on your account.



    I disagree, a potion is a bankable item, you could pick it up, mail it or whatever. Currently ap are points, not a coin. Even if they were some type of token they would likely be faction based, DC could be a coin with a lion on it, etc that if you brought anywhere else then DC it would have no value.

    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    You can give gold to a friend but your points from battle? How do you share rank points? That makes less sense to me. That's like saying you should be able to pool all your toons ap to get one rank for them all. Come on. Not valid?? Pfft
    Edited by MrAppleman on July 23, 2016 6:06PM
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    Change the Alliance Point currency to Ohhh Shiny Kitty Gold, Pact Beer Bottles & Smurfberries and make it bankable, plskthx Q.Q
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  • Nefas
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.

    I can still use Tel Var from DC players I stole on my EP by banking it and then logging onto my DC. It is a form of currency accepted by NPCs and players. I can also use gold to purchase from DC Guild Stores, AD Guild Stores and EP Guild Stores.

    Alliance Points may be tied with the progress in the Alliance War ranks however it is still a currency accepted by both NPCs and players that can be used to purchase a variety of things made by the same player on the same account. Keeping achievements/progress per character is fine but currency is a different story in my opinion.

    Saying AP isn't currency on one character because it was earned on another is like saying my lvl 10 can't use 1 million gold my CP501 earned.
    Edited by Nefas on July 23, 2016 8:37PM
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    It's clearly regarded as a character specific currency. Which makes sense to me. As for the gold no it is not like saying you can't use gold other characters earned.


  • Nefas
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    It's clearly regarded as a character specific currency. Which makes sense to me. As for the gold no it is not like saying you can't use gold other characters earned.

    It is exactly like saying you can't use gold other characters earned. Legerdemain is a skill-line that is character-specific but you can still earn from pickpocketing/stealing/selling on one character and use the gold you gain on another.

    That 2nd character won't have progress in Legerdemain but the first will. AP is the same way with Alliance War yet it's not account-wide. This is all irrelevant discussion as there probably won't be any changes implemented regarding this and that you can still buy everything with one character anyway.
  • bowmanz607
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.

    Why would they accept coin or stone from other alliances? Because it is currency. The progress is shown with your alliance rank and assault/support skill lines. Ap is currency plain and aimple.
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?

    I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.

    I believe this is not a valid argument as for example, potions bought with AP on a Daggerfall character can be shared with your AD character, items are not bound to a specific character. So it doesn't make any sense to have your AP points spread out between characters on your account.



    I disagree, a potion is a bankable item, you could pick it up, mail it or whatever. Currently ap are points, not a coin. Even if they were some type of token they would likely be faction based, DC could be a coin with a lion on it, etc that if you brought anywhere else then DC it would have no value.

    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    You can give gold to a friend but your points from battle? How do you share rank points? That makes less sense to me. That's like saying you should be able to pool all your toons ap to get one rank for them all. Come on. Not valid?? Pfft

    See my comment to your previous post. Also, what if a player, like myself, has all too small on one alliancen? Why wouldn't it be accepted. Again, apt earns you progression, however, apt is also currency. The progression side of things and the currency portion do not overlap. They are distinct featurea. All the current system does is creates less of an incentimeters to play alternative toons.
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    Nefas wrote: »
    MrAppleman wrote: »
    It's clearly regarded as a character specific currency. Which makes sense to me. As for the gold no it is not like saying you can't use gold other characters earned.

    It is exactly like saying you can't use gold other characters earned. Legerdemain is a skill-line that is character-specific but you can still earn from pickpocketing/stealing/selling on one character and use the gold you gain on another.

    That 2nd character won't have progress in Legerdemain but the first will. AP is the same way with Alliance War yet it's not account-wide. This is all irrelevant discussion as there probably won't be any changes implemented regarding this and that you can still buy everything with one character anyway.

    Yeah you can buy everything with one toon and then transfer it over. But let's take a look at a common situation. A player wants day two 500,000 ap motifs. Said player has 200,000 on one account 4000,000 on another 350,0000 on another and sonon. This player has pvp enough to earn those motifs, but they are still locked out from getting those pieces because he pvp on multiple toons. This player is being hurt by playing more than one toon.

    On the other side of things, a pve player/ic player has no such issue. They can play the way they want to and still stockpile their spoils to buy what they need. It is a flawed system which is just another example of zos crapping on pvp players.
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    This is the only reason I have one dedicated PvP toon. If it was bankable I'd PvP with all my characters :smile:
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    Cazzy wrote: »
    This is the only reason I have one dedicated PvP toon. If it was bankable I'd PvP with all my characters :smile:

    And this is one good reason why AP should be bankable.
    Anything which discourages people from playing more than one kit in any kind of content is a bad thing.
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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.

    Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.
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  • bowmanz607
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    Enodoc wrote: »
    MrAppleman wrote: »
    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.

    Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.

    Again, your "prowess" is measured via alliance ranks. You gain ap to gain ranks. That is one aspect of gaining ap. The other is being able to use your ap to buy goods. In this way it operates as currency. Bottom line is that ap=currency in that regard. Additionally, apt is equated with gold, another currency, in multiple areas of the game. Such as the weekly vendor that sells the same items for gold and ap. Or how about fire ballista and soul gems. All available for gold and ap. Why? Because they are both used as currency depending on which part of the game you play more will depend on what type of current year you have more of.

    Alliance ranks and support/assualt skill lines are a way to measure your "prowess" on the battle field. The actual ap you accumulate is currency.

    This system simply deters people from playing alts. This diminishes diversity along with people's misconceptions about other classes in pvp because they don't want to try another class because they want to be able to spend their ap and best way to do it is use one to toon. This also hits zos with less money being spent in crown store because they buy less things such as mount upgrades because they won't play other tools as much so can just grind them up. (Not saying this is true across the board, but it is certainly coating them money even if it is a smaller population of people)

    Bottom line is this is not a logical argument for why it should not be bankable as discussed above.

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    Given the Alliance Rank system, I see where the character-bound AP gains come from. But I would love to have a bank-able option. I mean; I have some non-veteran characters from when I played in groups in Non-vet. They have a fair share of AP, since I'm lazy af, so I only bought the occasional Stone Trebuchet >:) And that's two healers, a sorc and a Nightblade. Would be great to get their AP onto my main, since I don't play them, anyway.
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  • MrAppleman
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    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    MrAppleman wrote: »
    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.

    Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.

    Again, your "prowess" is measured via alliance ranks. You gain ap to gain ranks. That is one aspect of gaining ap. The other is being able to use your ap to buy goods. In this way it operates as currency. Bottom line is that ap=currency in that regard. Additionally, apt is equated with gold, another currency, in multiple areas of the game. Such as the weekly vendor that sells the same items for gold and ap. Or how about fire ballista and soul gems. All available for gold and ap. Why? Because they are both used as currency depending on which part of the game you play more will depend on what type of current year you have more of.

    Alliance ranks and support/assualt skill lines are a way to measure your "prowess" on the battle field. The actual ap you accumulate is currency.

    This system simply deters people from playing alts. This diminishes diversity along with people's misconceptions about other classes in pvp because they don't want to try another class because they want to be able to spend their ap and best way to do it is use one to toon. This also hits zos with less money being spent in crown store because they buy less things such as mount upgrades because they won't play other tools as much so can just grind them up. (Not saying this is true across the board, but it is certainly coating them money even if it is a smaller population of people)

    Bottom line is this is not a logical argument for why it should not be bankable as discussed above.

    @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
    Please at least a response as to why it cant/won't be done or, no eta, or on the road map, or we can discuss it, or something at all? I and others have been asking for this for 2 years both relaying the info to people who meet with deva and via multiple forum posts with no answer ever.


    It is totally a logical argument. Stop being so butthurt.
    Yes it is currency but awarded to that player for him/her to use because they earned it with their prowess on the battlefield. How could you share that? It makes a ton of sense.

    You're just being greedy and don't care about what makes sense. You asked and we answer in logical terms and you shut it down cause all you want to do is pool together your ap to buy a motif or helm.

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    MrAppleman wrote: »
    bowmanz607 wrote: »
    Enodoc wrote: »
    MrAppleman wrote: »
    They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.

    How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
    Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.

    Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.

    Again, your "prowess" is measured via alliance ranks. You gain ap to gain ranks. That is one aspect of gaining ap. The other is being able to use your ap to buy goods. In this way it operates as currency. Bottom line is that ap=currency in that regard. Additionally, apt is equated with gold, another currency, in multiple areas of the game. Such as the weekly vendor that sells the same items for gold and ap. Or how about fire ballista and soul gems. All available for gold and ap. Why? Because they are both used as currency depending on which part of the game you play more will depend on what type of current year you have more of.

    Alliance ranks and support/assualt skill lines are a way to measure your "prowess" on the battle field. The actual ap you accumulate is currency.

    This system simply deters people from playing alts. This diminishes diversity along with people's misconceptions about other classes in pvp because they don't want to try another class because they want to be able to spend their ap and best way to do it is use one to toon. This also hits zos with less money being spent in crown store because they buy less things such as mount upgrades because they won't play other tools as much so can just grind them up. (Not saying this is true across the board, but it is certainly coating them money even if it is a smaller population of people)

    Bottom line is this is not a logical argument for why it should not be bankable as discussed above.

    @ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
    Please at least a response as to why it cant/won't be done or, no eta, or on the road map, or we can discuss it, or something at all? I and others have been asking for this for 2 years both relaying the info to people who meet with deva and via multiple forum posts with no answer ever.


    It is totally a logical argument. Stop being so butthurt.
    Yes it is currency but awarded to that player for him/her to use because they earned it with their prowess on the battlefield. How could you share that? It makes a ton of sense.

    You're just being greedy and don't care about what makes sense. You asked and we answer in logical terms and you shut it down cause all you want to do is pool together your ap to buy a motif or helm.

    And gold/TV are earned because of your ability to kill things and complete objectives. Just like ap. All reward you for your play in battle. Why is it that I can bank two and not the others?

    Additionally, lets break down what thie meaning of "prowess" on the battlefield and ap being tied to it. The large majority of players sit in a zerg and spam some aoe. Further, many healers are just spamming bol and mutagen etc. THis playstyle is heaily rewarding when it comes to ap gaining. A playstyle that can/is east mode. Some of the most efficient ways to get ap are linked to the exact opposite of "prowess" on the battlefield. It is the rare person that can earn a ton of ap through skill. That is what "prowess" is is it not? Skill?

    Some of the easiest and best ways to get ap is not through skill. it is through running around in a zerg spamming abilities. this is not skill. So if, ap gain = skill; prowess=skill, but some of the most efficeint ways to gain ap = no skill, then ap gain is inherently not tied to skill on the battlefield as you have stated. (or of you prefer it does not relate to prowess on the battlefield.)

    Sure in theory you could make your statement true, but practically speaking ap gain is no way tied to your skill on the battlefield.

    Therefore, your argument is illogical from an objective and practical stand point.

    You also admit that it is currency. So why should this currency be limited in a way that the others are not. Even if we take your statement discussed above as true gold and stones are also tied to ones success in fights and completing objectives just like ap gain.
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    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
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    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on July 25, 2016 8:48PM
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
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    ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
    @UltimaJoe777
    ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.

    It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
    @UltimaJoe777
    ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.

    It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.

    And different kind of currency. Yet still a currency.
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    It is a measure of my prowess on the battlefield? So when i spend it, I get worse?
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
    @UltimaJoe777
    ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.

    It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.

    And different kind of currency. Yet still a currency.

    Doesn't mean it can be stored though.
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  • luen79rwb17_ESO
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    PvP and its complicated logics...

    If I play a DC character and switch to an AD alt I'm STILL the same guy, same knowledge of the game and arguably the same skills (except class specific learning curve).

    And no, I'm not a "recruit" if I roll a lvl 20 (insert any level here) battle-leveled twink in full epic sets and with 501+ champion points facerolling everyone with the current FOTM build, when I could very well be a grand overlord trolling with alts.

    This current system promotes twinks / troll characters, it's very unfriendly to alts, overall slows down your rank progression.

    Not only AP is a currency (it's under currencies in your inventory!) that you can't bank, I believe it should be shared throughout all your characters, like ranks and achievements IMO.
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    Ghost-Shot wrote: »
    Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.

    Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol

    There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?

    It's more credit than currency.
    @UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.

    Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
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    ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.

    It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.

    And different kind of currency. Yet still a currency.

    Doesn't mean it can be stored though.

    I have more then none. It can be stored.
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    I say this as a player who thinks one of the best things ZOS did at launch to set ESO apart was having no "bind to character" and couldn't believe they would actually change the game to be more like other MMOs in a way that was bad:

    AP should not be shared among characters.
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