MrAppleman wrote: »Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?
I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
andreasranasen wrote: »MrAppleman wrote: »Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?
I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
I believe this is not a valid argument as for example, potions bought with AP on a Daggerfall character can be shared with your AD character, items are not bound to a specific character. So it doesn't make any sense to have your AP points spread out between characters on your account.
MrAppleman wrote: »Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?
I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
MrAppleman wrote: »It's clearly regarded as a character specific currency. Which makes sense to me. As for the gold no it is not like saying you can't use gold other characters earned.
MrAppleman wrote: »Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?
I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
MrAppleman wrote: »iandreasranasen wrote: »MrAppleman wrote: »Why would alliance points gained from my EP and my AD be accepted by a DC merchant? Huh?
I mean they are points gained from killing other factions. I see why they wouldn't be bankable between characters. It's more associated with your characters individual progress in the war.
I believe this is not a valid argument as for example, potions bought with AP on a Daggerfall character can be shared with your AD character, items are not bound to a specific character. So it doesn't make any sense to have your AP points spread out between characters on your account.
I disagree, a potion is a bankable item, you could pick it up, mail it or whatever. Currently ap are points, not a coin. Even if they were some type of token they would likely be faction based, DC could be a coin with a lion on it, etc that if you brought anywhere else then DC it would have no value.
They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.
How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
You can give gold to a friend but your points from battle? How do you share rank points? That makes less sense to me. That's like saying you should be able to pool all your toons ap to get one rank for them all. Come on. Not valid?? Pfft
MrAppleman wrote: »It's clearly regarded as a character specific currency. Which makes sense to me. As for the gold no it is not like saying you can't use gold other characters earned.
It is exactly like saying you can't use gold other characters earned. Legerdemain is a skill-line that is character-specific but you can still earn from pickpocketing/stealing/selling on one character and use the gold you gain on another.
That 2nd character won't have progress in Legerdemain but the first will. AP is the same way with Alliance War yet it's not account-wide. This is all irrelevant discussion as there probably won't be any changes implemented regarding this and that you can still buy everything with one character anyway.
Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.MrAppleman wrote: »They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.
How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.MrAppleman wrote: »They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.
How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.
bowmanz607 wrote: »Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.MrAppleman wrote: »They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.
How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.
Again, your "prowess" is measured via alliance ranks. You gain ap to gain ranks. That is one aspect of gaining ap. The other is being able to use your ap to buy goods. In this way it operates as currency. Bottom line is that ap=currency in that regard. Additionally, apt is equated with gold, another currency, in multiple areas of the game. Such as the weekly vendor that sells the same items for gold and ap. Or how about fire ballista and soul gems. All available for gold and ap. Why? Because they are both used as currency depending on which part of the game you play more will depend on what type of current year you have more of.
Alliance ranks and support/assualt skill lines are a way to measure your "prowess" on the battle field. The actual ap you accumulate is currency.
This system simply deters people from playing alts. This diminishes diversity along with people's misconceptions about other classes in pvp because they don't want to try another class because they want to be able to spend their ap and best way to do it is use one to toon. This also hits zos with less money being spent in crown store because they buy less things such as mount upgrades because they won't play other tools as much so can just grind them up. (Not saying this is true across the board, but it is certainly coating them money even if it is a smaller population of people)
Bottom line is this is not a logical argument for why it should not be bankable as discussed above.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
Please at least a response as to why it cant/won't be done or, no eta, or on the road map, or we can discuss it, or something at all? I and others have been asking for this for 2 years both relaying the info to people who meet with deva and via multiple forum posts with no answer ever.
MrAppleman wrote: »bowmanz607 wrote: »Right, AP is a measure of your prowess in battle, represented as a number because that's easy to understand. Someone who is very good at alliance warfare would have a lot of prowess, and be able to redeem that against the better items. I think the siege merchants even say that their wares are for distinguished soldiers; you can't share one person's prowess with someone else, suddenly making that second person as distinguished in battle as the first, because prowess is an intangible aspect of a single person.MrAppleman wrote: »They seem to be tied to a characters progression in the faction war. It makes sense that you can't share them. Like achievement points they are tied to what that character actually did. While gold and tel var are actual currency.
How is that not a valid argument? If something is character bound because it is tied to that characters achievements in cyrodil or due to factions it is totally viable not to share them.
Gold and TV Stones, on the other hand, are physically tangible items, and can literally be given from one person to another.
Again, your "prowess" is measured via alliance ranks. You gain ap to gain ranks. That is one aspect of gaining ap. The other is being able to use your ap to buy goods. In this way it operates as currency. Bottom line is that ap=currency in that regard. Additionally, apt is equated with gold, another currency, in multiple areas of the game. Such as the weekly vendor that sells the same items for gold and ap. Or how about fire ballista and soul gems. All available for gold and ap. Why? Because they are both used as currency depending on which part of the game you play more will depend on what type of current year you have more of.
Alliance ranks and support/assualt skill lines are a way to measure your "prowess" on the battle field. The actual ap you accumulate is currency.
This system simply deters people from playing alts. This diminishes diversity along with people's misconceptions about other classes in pvp because they don't want to try another class because they want to be able to spend their ap and best way to do it is use one to toon. This also hits zos with less money being spent in crown store because they buy less things such as mount upgrades because they won't play other tools as much so can just grind them up. (Not saying this is true across the board, but it is certainly coating them money even if it is a smaller population of people)
Bottom line is this is not a logical argument for why it should not be bankable as discussed above.
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert
Please at least a response as to why it cant/won't be done or, no eta, or on the road map, or we can discuss it, or something at all? I and others have been asking for this for 2 years both relaying the info to people who meet with deva and via multiple forum posts with no answer ever.
It is totally a logical argument. Stop being so butthurt.
Yes it is currency but awarded to that player for him/her to use because they earned it with their prowess on the battlefield. How could you share that? It makes a ton of sense.
You're just being greedy and don't care about what makes sense. You asked and we answer in logical terms and you shut it down cause all you want to do is pool together your ap to buy a motif or helm.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
@UltimaJoe777UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
It's more credit than currency.SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
It's more credit than currency.SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
It's more credit than currency.SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.
It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.
SleepyTroll wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
It's more credit than currency.SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.
It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.
And different kind of currency. Yet still a currency.
UltimaJoe777 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »Technically it's not a currency per se. There's Gold, there's Tel Var Stones, and then there's Alliance Points.
Only way you'd be able to bank it is if the bank kept point cards of everyone lol
There are vendors who's medium of exchange is Alliance Points, how exactly is it not a currency?
It's more credit than currency.SleepyTroll wrote: »@UltimaJoe777 I know you are trying to be funny, except if you go in your inventory and go to the currency tab. AP is found there.
Who says I'm trying to be funny? I speak the truth. Points are not physical objects you can trade in.
ZOS them selves label it a currency. Bit coins arent physical objects And yet there they are a currency.
It's a different kind of currency though. It's credits that cannot be physically stored like coins or stones.
And different kind of currency. Yet still a currency.
Doesn't mean it can be stored though.