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Malubeth in VMA?

tommm81
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So with how OP this is in PvP I was curious to know why it's never mentioned as a viable survivability tool in VMA? Would it take too much of your damage away? Or would it just not proc enough/you die too quickly by one shots? For me, my damage is more than enough it seems but being a stam blade my healing often isn't enough and I die.
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  • Rohamad_Ali
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    Haven't tried vMA but I do use my Malubeth in PvE sometimes and as a sap tank it's very nice . Try it .
  • tommm81
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    I was thinking about maybe trying it on VMA with a Stam Sorc? With the constant passive healing from crit surge, you wouldn't even have to stop dpsing in order to take advantage of the proc. If I can maintain enough damage with it I may see how it works. I was just wondering why I've never heard anyone even really consider using it there considering how much everyone cries for its nerfs in PVP.
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    In vMA, the best defense is a good offense. Kill stuff before they can hurt you. As for defenses, you don't really want to rely on RNG-proc defenses. You should have a defensive measure ready to use when things go south and shouldn't rely on something like Malubeth to save you.
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  • hrothbern
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    tommm81 wrote: »
    So with how OP this is in PvP I was curious to know why it's never mentioned as a viable survivability tool in VMA? Would it take too much of your damage away? Or would it just not proc enough/you die too quickly by one shots? For me, my damage is more than enough it seems but being a stam blade my healing often isn't enough and I die.

    In vMA the AI of the mobs is not fantastic high...
    but
    A. they make less hits per second
    B. they do not all swarm within 10 meters around you

    So.. it just does not proc that much

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  • Autolycus
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    As seems to be the case with most other posts on this thread, I haven't tested it personally.

    However, given my experience and knowledge of vMA so far, I'm inclined to believe that Malubeth has too low of an up-time to be of any real worth here. I can think of numerous waves (and even specific mobs) in which it could prove useful - the problem is that it is counter-intuitive to how you want to tackle vMA. The ultimate goal is to hit the right target at the right time - and hit them hard and fast.

    If your build is one that prioritizes melee over ranged adds, they should be dead by the time they get to you or shortly thereafter. Ranged adds will probably be too far away to proc it realiably, though I can see in certain situations how a stamblade (assuming melee) might be able to proc it before the add dies. Even in that case, however, said add would be dead so quickly that the superior option seems (to me at least) to be something that affords damage. My recommendation instead of Malubeth is 1 Kena + 1 Blood Spawn, which will supplement your damage and healing (both in sustain and healing effectiveness, i.e. vigor).

    On a related note: Are you running dual wield? Recent testing has shown Bloodfury and Blood Craze to be a less-than-significant loss in dps for a very significant amount of healing. Remorphing these skills has not resulted in a slower runs or an inability to meet dps checks. From the perspective of group PvE, this still holds true; no significant dps loss in trials or dungeons. I don't have actual numbers to post on this atm, but I can tell you that the dps loss is not a matter of thousands; It's more like a couple hundred at most, over a few minutes.
  • DannyLV702
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    No because you need to wreck more than you can survive
  • tommm81
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    Autolycus wrote: »
    As seems to be the case with most other posts on this thread, I haven't tested it personally.

    However, given my experience and knowledge of vMA so far, I'm inclined to believe that Malubeth has too low of an up-time to be of any real worth here. I can think of numerous waves (and even specific mobs) in which it could prove useful - the problem is that it is counter-intuitive to how you want to tackle vMA. The ultimate goal is to hit the right target at the right time - and hit them hard and fast.

    If your build is one that prioritizes melee over ranged adds, they should be dead by the time they get to you or shortly thereafter. Ranged adds will probably be too far away to proc it realiably, though I can see in certain situations how a stamblade (assuming melee) might be able to proc it before the add dies. Even in that case, however, said add would be dead so quickly that the superior option seems (to me at least) to be something that affords damage. My recommendation instead of Malubeth is 1 Kena + 1 Blood Spawn, which will supplement your damage and healing (both in sustain and healing effectiveness, i.e. vigor).

    On a related note: Are you running dual wield? Recent testing has shown Bloodfury and Blood Craze to be a less-than-significant loss in dps for a very significant amount of healing. Remorphing these skills has not resulted in a slower runs or an inability to meet dps checks. From the perspective of group PvE, this still holds true; no significant dps loss in trials or dungeons. I don't have actual numbers to post on this atm, but I can tell you that the dps loss is not a matter of thousands; It's more like a couple hundred at most, over a few minutes.

    I run DW on both my Nb and stam sorc. I don't run the dual wield dots on my stam blade (I would if i had Maelstrom instead of leki daggers) but on my stam sorc I do run bloodthirst and blood craze and I do really enjoy the healing combined with crit surge healing. I assume my stam sorc will complete Maelstrom before my Nb because although I'm much more comfortable and experienced and do more damage on my Nb, the survivability is always my undoing even when I'm 2 shotting most normal ads. The passive healing while dpsing on the stam sorc is invaluable to help that.
    Edited by tommm81 on July 22, 2016 12:18AM
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    code65536 wrote: »
    In vMA, the best defense is a good offense. Kill stuff before they can hurt you. As for defenses, you don't really want to rely on RNG-proc defenses. You should have a defensive measure ready to use when things go south and shouldn't rely on something like Malubeth to save you.

    this ^

    although I *am curious*
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    Tried it, went back to Molag Kena. It doesn't proc enough or when you need it too.
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