Vigor skill...

acw37162 · July 2016

It is immensely easy to get vigor now and non vet PVP is the best way to get get it.

Plus you will get four or five skill points from PVP leveling and quite a few more it you farm the sky shards while in Cyrodil.

I hate PvP to but it's actually not that hard to get and can be done so without a huge investment in time.

KenaPKK · July 2016

No. You are complaining/whining. Vigor is a PvP skill. The day we don't have to grind lorebooks or Undaunted is the day you can have Vigor added to some "top end PvE content." Man up and go PvP, get good, earn some AP, and enjoy having earned the skill.

Tiitus · July 2016

KenaPKK wrote: »

No. You are complaining/whining. Vigor is a PvP skill. The day we don't have to grind lorebooks or Undaunted is the day you can have Vigor added to some "top end PvE content." Man up and go PvP, get good, earn some AP, and enjoy having earned the skill.

pvp is not skill dnt kid yurself many have stated its just standing on a wall or in a zerg to get vigor. no one is trying to make u less of a special snowflake just simply suggested a pve counterpart. which is "earned".

Defilted · July 2016

You could easily run in a zerg and get enough AP in one day of casual playing. 3 to 5 hours. Worse case a few days of 1 hour game time segments and then you would have Vigor.

PVP is not a terrible thing and defending keeps for a few hours with a seige weapon is not a big deal.

You might like it, you never know.

vamp_emily · July 2016

Don't be fooled. PvP is not as good as they make it to be.

PvP causes stress, change in behavior, loss of sleep and I am sure there are other side effects. I think I might have to create a new character that describes me in PvP. "Toxic Drama Queen".

Defilted · July 2016

lol

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

code65536 wrote: »

I remember back when Vigor required over 6M AP to get; they've since reduced the cost by over 98%...

Part of me was made sick by this fact, and part of me feels the hurdle was a little too high. I like it better now with more people using the tools from the alliance war. However, I'm one of those people that isn't really into gear playing much of a factor in pvp. I feel like pvp should be closer to halo or counterstrike - but most MMO-goers seem to prefer gear playing a big role in effectiveness. That's personal taste though, and I have to adapt to it. That being said it explains why I am generally okay with them making the alliance skills easier to acquire, since the fun should be the game, not in getting digital shinies (just my view).

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Don't be fooled. PvP is not as good as they make it to be.

PvP causes stress, change in behavior, loss of sleep and I am sure there are other side effects. I think I might have to create a new character that describes me in PvP. "Toxic Drama Queen".

Those are personal responses. One of my lonstanding pvp-chums across a few games is exactly as you describe. He's a nice guy but he lashes out a lot particularly when he is losing. The guy is a great pvp'er too, but if he's losing he flips out and sometimes just disappears off vent/game. I've learned to live with it, other people get pissed by this behavior. I guess I'm chill enough for the both of us to not care, water off the ducks' back and all that. There are other friends that get raucous or ornery in those situations as well. No one is immune to it, but I would say some people have different levels of tolerance. I've known people who seem to thrive in what I call 'the anger zone'. I don't think its good for the health, but it works for them I guess. I think the only real danger health-wise to pvp though is if you dont' get any exercise. Those same kinds of stress are utterly harmless in sports, and they are the same feelings. Go hop on the treadmill for a half hour, and you should be fine.

dodgehopper_ESO · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

No. You are complaining/whining. Vigor is a PvP skill. The day we don't have to grind lorebooks or Undaunted is the day you can have Vigor added to some "top end PvE content." Man up and go PvP, get good, earn some AP, and enjoy having earned the skill.

pvp is not skill dnt kid yurself many have stated its just standing on a wall or in a zerg to get vigor. no one is trying to make u less of a special snowflake just simply suggested a pve counterpart.

You're conflating terms here. Its pretty obvious what @KenaPKK meant here. Don't think I'm a member of his fanclub or anything either, because we've butted heads over other ideas here on the forums. I just call things like I see them. Kena was saying it was a Pvp (alliance war) skill line earned from doing PVP. He wasn't bragging about anything, just suggesting that you go do alliance war for alliance war rewards (if you like those terms better) in the same way that people who are PVP-focused are forced to do Undaunted dailies to be at the peak of their game. Ultimately, it has gotten much easier to hit Alliance War 10 in your skills, enough that anyone can do it. Stretch a little and you might find you like cyrodiil more. I'm one of those wierd ducks that likes it all. A lot of my pvp friends (some of whom would be recognizable if I said their names) have told me of their own experiences with PVE. I usually find that while many players lean one way or another, you'll find that quite a few PVP'ers appreciate the PVE content, and they wouldn't have gotten to that point had they not NEEDED to do it. It offers an alternative when you're just not in the mood. Alternatives are good, I really recommend you open your mind, and try to take fun from the experience. Look at pvp like playing Battlefront or Halo or counterstrike or such, if you've enjoyed those in the past.

Thalmor-Nordmaster · July 2016

Where is this Toxicity? Are you DC? EP? If so Reroll to the Dominion we have no Toxicity! What we have is a faction conditioning regimen that will enable you to withstand the heartiest of whispers!! Vigor is easy rank 5 ach. Time your campaigns and look for a populated one. For defensive siege grab a meatbag. Salty unwashed meatbags do more damage to your enemy.Plop your unwashed meatbag balls onto the herd coming towards the breach. Count the AP. Ask around the right siege equipment for the right target makes all the difference.

If you are bored and want to have a really unique encounter that you will never forget spam you healz on crouched NB,s as they sneak up on things.You will never forget the lively tips that they will give you!!! PVP is FUN if you make it fun for you.

No matter where you are or what faction you can always solo siege Swagginclaw,Brindle, Drake,Sej, Nikel.. hit and hide then ambush the curious.. If you win free AP. If you lose then rofl rofl rofl lol lol lol lol. you had fun. sure it may wreck some plans of mice and mercatmen.But you just might start something spectacular!!!! Remember in CYRODIIL ALL ROADS LEAD TO ALESSIA BRIDGE !!!!

If the group you joined did not have much to do join another. Each faction has a guild that excels in either offense, defense or...general mayhem.

hop in be polite and remember in Cyrodiil you are a temporary guest in a campaign. you are there to just get vigor. Others are there because PVP is what they do and they love it. just as you love PVE. Lighten up have fun and don't forget to take the slaughterfish challenge!

bryanhaas · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

Look up a build, stalk people in the sewers and get vigor. Zerging would be faster btw, I was primarily PVE but have slowly been doing more PVP. Now the hunted has become the hunter.

Aemon_Isklexi · July 2016

code65536 wrote: »

Aemon_Isklexi wrote: »

I don't think PvE players should be forced to do PvP to get a critical skill, nor should PvP players have to do the reverse.

You're not being "forced" to do anything, and there is no problem here.

You can get along just fine without Vigor, Dawnbreaker, or Meteor. Yes, they are nice to have, and yes, they are essential and required for high-level gameplay. But a lot of other things are also required for high-level gameplay--gear, consumables, gold, git gud, etc. Do you propose we eliminate that, too?

Saying that people aren't forced to do something and in the same breath saying they're required is rather contradictory. As for the other things required for high-level gameplay (consumables et al.), those can be acquired by doing either PvP or PvE. I'm advocating that people should be able to do the content they want to without having to slog through content they don't want to do. The reasoning behind this stance is that, once all is said and done, ESO is a game. It's something people play to have fun. I don't think people should have to do something they don't enjoy just so they can get tools required to experience the content they find fun.

Xerosus · July 2016

Vigor is a beautiful thing.

Sallington · July 2016

If you're <lvl 50, then Vigor isn't making or breaking the game for you, so don't worry about it.

Unless you want to worry about it, then nut up and do the corresponding content to get what you want.

NBrookus · July 2016

code65536 wrote: »

If you want to just get by in Tamriel, you don't need to do anything that you don't want to. And for people who aspire to be more, the game encourages them to branch out and be more well-rounded. I think that's a good thing, and this whining about "Oh, I don't want to PvP to PvE" or "I don't want to PvE to PvP" is, frankly, childish. You want something? Earn it. All the better if it also takes you out of your comfort zone.

Seriously this. I started out as one of those people that was never, ever going to PvP. But I had to grind up warhorn. And then meteor... pre-AP nerf. Next thing I know I'm PvPing most days.

I agreed with the reduction in AP required. It's enough to coax PvE players into a taste of PvP to try it out without being a major grind.

I wish I could say the same about Undaunted. Grinding that on toons you have no intention of ever doing any PvE on is still pretty painful. If they could just move the Mettle passive back a few ranks, it would be more PvP friendly without removing the need for PvPers to do some dungeons.

Eirikir · July 2016

vamp_emily wrote: »

Don't be fooled. PvP is not as good as they make it to be.

PvP causes stress, change in behavior, loss of sleep and I am sure there are other side effects. I think I might have to create a new character that describes me in PvP. "Toxic Drama Queen".

As someone who has been in actual real life battle, statements like this make me both laugh and weep for the future.

Tiitus · July 2016

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dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

KenaPKK wrote: »

No. You are complaining/whining. Vigor is a PvP skill. The day we don't have to grind lorebooks or Undaunted is the day you can have Vigor added to some "top end PvE content." Man up and go PvP, get good, earn some AP, and enjoy having earned the skill.

pvp is not skill dnt kid yurself many have stated its just standing on a wall or in a zerg to get vigor. no one is trying to make u less of a special snowflake just simply suggested a pve counterpart.

You're conflating terms here. Its pretty obvious what @KenaPKK meant here. Don't think I'm a member of his fanclub or anything either, because we've butted heads over other ideas here on the forums. I just call things like I see them. Kena was saying it was a Pvp (alliance war) skill line earned from doing PVP. He wasn't bragging about anything, just suggesting that you go do alliance war for alliance war rewards (if you like those terms better) in the same way that people who are PVP-focused are forced to do Undaunted dailies to be at the peak of their game. Ultimately, it has gotten much easier to hit Alliance War 10 in your skills, enough that anyone can do it. Stretch a little and you might find you like cyrodiil more. I'm one of those wierd ducks that likes it all. A lot of my pvp friends (some of whom would be recognizable if I said their names) have told me of their own experiences with PVE. I usually find that while many players lean one way or another, you'll find that quite a few PVP'ers appreciate the PVE content, and they wouldn't have gotten to that point had they not NEEDED to do it. It offers an alternative when you're just not in the mood. Alternatives are good, I really recommend you open your mind, and try to take fun from the experience. Look at pvp like playing Battlefront or Halo or counterstrike or such, if you've enjoyed those in the past.

i avoid all pvp related anything that includes fps/moba's/mmo's and not for the lack of trying, its not a matter of try it you may like it, its i have and i dnt like it, spent 4 hrs in cyrodil today trying got half rank 3 and a quarter of a lvl.. soo much wasted time. i have very lil time to play as is, id atleast like to do it in the parts of the game i enjoy.

Caza99 · July 2016

I PvP and the UD passives would make my characters much stronger, the only problem is I actually have to put in some effort in PvE to get them. Pls gimme a PvP version. Ty k Bai
/sarcasm

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

Eliran wrote: »

I find it too ironic, the PVP in the game is so bad, yet you are forced to do it.

Yes because the PVE in this game is so good its like the divines came down themselves and made it,lmao no your not forced to do it but everyone is forced to do the PVE in this game even if they don't enjoy it.You have a choice to PVP or not others don't have the same choice with PVE.

forced to pve in what regard? the only thing you're forced to do in this game before you can do whatever you want s reach level 10.

Not true at all to be competitive you need to do these things.

Jinxycat wrote: »

Sorry OP I don't feel bad for you at all. I need to do tedious and boring pve content to level up mages guild, fighters guild and undaunted so....

If your a stam build you need fighters guild for your only physical scaling ultmate need those to kill people.Have to Grind PVE mobs to level up because PVP experience is crap.Which I actually have no problem with grinding a character and will NP.Also if you want to be really competitive you need Maelstroms weapons.I still haven't beat the last round of that got dam place yet.While yes you can PVP at 10 if you don't PVE you won't be able to kill people for a long time unless you run with a zerg and than you will never be good.

same works in pve. you have to pvp. we *really* hate it too. boohoo

sneakymitchell · July 2016

vigor is quiet powerful. And with 2hander rally makes you be almost unkillable. Almost like a tank.

I just wish the cp will balance. The way it is is just unbalanced and 501 cp players are like quiet powerful and also quiet skillful in the battlefield.

Like why cant vigor just tone down the healing. Alot of players are overhealing themselves by this. And even with malabeth. It would be alot harder to kill players if alot of people just run that.

neville_bart0s · July 2016

I could get vigor ten times over before I could collect all those mages guild books, or get undaunted 9, or max my enchanting. you can get vigor in a few hours, just join a group in a busy campaign and collect all that shared AP.

the only reason I started PVPing way to get vigor, took me weeks because it cost 6 trillion AP at the time but by the time I got vigor I had absolutely zero interest in PVE.

Tiitus · July 2016

id like to take this moment and apologize to the ppl in this thread.... pvp is fun.. when it is organized and tactical, just had a session were this was happening, we lost and we won but it was fun, also had a gentlemen took the time to teach me the ropes, much appreciated to that fellow... but i would like to say, standing on the wall and repairing is boring do not recommend that to new ppl anymore... im now rank 4 at lvl 12 and cant wait to log on and jump back in there.

neville_bart0s · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

id like to take this moment and apologize to the ppl in this thread.... pvp is fun.. when it is organized and tactical, just had a session were this was happening, we lost and we won but it was fun, also had a gentlemen take the time to teach me the ropes, much appreciated to that fellow... but i would like to say, standing on the wall and repairing is boring do not recommend that to new ppl anymore.

just make sure you stick around for that defensive tick after you defend a keep, biggest tick ive seen personally was 98K AP.

Tiitus · July 2016

neville_bart0s wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

id like to take this moment and apologize to the ppl in this thread.... pvp is fun.. when it is organized and tactical, just had a session were this was happening, we lost and we won but it was fun, also had a gentlemen take the time to teach me the ropes, much appreciated to that fellow... but i would like to say, standing on the wall and repairing is boring do not recommend that to new ppl anymore.

just make sure you stick around for that defensive tick after you defend a keep, biggest tick ive seen personally was 98K AP.

didnt know that thank you.

dem0n1k · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

id like to take this moment and apologize to the ppl in this thread.... pvp is fun.. when it is organized and tactical, just had a session were this was happening, we lost and we won but it was fun, also had a gentlemen took the time to teach me the ropes, much appreciated to that fellow... but i would like to say, standing on the wall and repairing is boring do not recommend that to new ppl anymore... im now rank 4 at lvl 12 and cant wait to log on and jump back in there.

Nice one brother! I felt EXACTLY the same way at first... I thought that I'd just stick with PVP to get Vigor for my StamDK then I'll never have to go back. By the time I got Vigor, I was hooked & rolled a new Nightblade specifically for PVP. Now I have 9 characters that are pretty much PVP only.

sekhem · July 2016

Tiitus wrote: »

id like to take this moment and apologize to the ppl in this thread.... pvp is fun.. when it is organized and tactical, just had a session were this was happening, we lost and we won but it was fun, also had a gentlemen took the time to teach me the ropes, much appreciated to that fellow... but i would like to say, standing on the wall and repairing is boring do not recommend that to new ppl anymore... im now rank 4 at lvl 12 and cant wait to log on and jump back in there.

I had a similar experience last night! Went with a guildmate and just looked for fight symbols on the map. We stayed with small groups of our faction and I got 12k AP in only 1.5 hours. It felt good and was so much fun! Died a few times but im a squishy vampire NB.