Vigor skill...

Tiitus

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

Roechacca

It's just PvP.

NoMoreChillies

closest you can find will be Rally from 2H line.

Ep1kMalware

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

bloodcraze/rally. spend 2hrs in pvp. lag sucks but it's so worth it.

Tiitus

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

FullBlownBeast

This is part of the reason exp changes to assault/support rank came. They are balancing builds with the thought of everyone having access to them (and why all the idiots crying about it were so stupid). Cyrodiil is pure garbage (and I like PVP) but it is easy enough to get rank 5 IMO, would be nice if it wasn't needed but I don't think ZOS is gonna do anything about it.

lolo_01b16_ESO

The only place outside pvp where you need vigor is vMSA. For the rest of the game you'll do well without it:
- 2h has rally
- dw has the healing morph of rapid strikes
- bow has a healing morph of the knockback
- 1h/shield has a skill that heals you when you get hit by a projectile

Tiitus

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

This is part of the reason exp changes to assault/support rank came. They are balancing builds with the thought of everyone having access to them (and why all the idiots crying about it were so stupid). Cyrodiil is pure garbage (and I like PVP) but it is easy enough to get rank 5 IMO, would be nice if it wasn't needed but I don't think ZOS is gonna do anything about it.

yes it would be nice. my issue right now is, il have to wait until im 50 to even get the skill, dnt want to out lvl zones by trying to get that skill.

smokey13a

first, I don't think vigor is OP at all, its only like an 8k heal over 5secs and when compared to others its kind of weak.

second, to get it you will only need around 100k AP, the best way to get that is find a keep that repeatedly gets attacked and then defended by your faction and just sit on the wall getting defence ticks, I did this 2 days ago on a level 11 nightblade, although you get more AP if you get a few hits in on enemy players as well.

Tiitus

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

The only place outside pvp where you need vigor is vMSA. For the rest of the game you'll do well without it:
- 2h has rally
- dw has the healing morph of rapid strikes
- bow has a healing morph of the knockback
- 1h/shield has a skill that heals you when you get hit by a projectile

This is true but none of them equal out to vigor and all of them have you sacrifice damage and or yur preffered playstyle.

If i cannot do or struggle immensely in pve content due to one single skill only accessible through pvp then there is a flaw.

go to youtube type stamina (insert any class) vMSA, every single video dating to almost a yr has them running vigor.

scorpiodog

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

Yep

Just gotta hold your nose and play in Cyrodil day or two.

You don't have to actually kill anyone - just lfg and stay alive.

Or invest 20k gold in wall and door repair kits. Inspect every wall of every keep and if any wall is not 100%, top it off.

Buy some siege with any AP you get. Siege is a good equalizer (assuming neither group is cheating).

Tiitus

spent an hr in there, running in a zerg ball, bar didnt even move an inch.. im avoiding this train it will make me quit eso gonna go roll a magicka class.

leepalmer95

Vigor is like what 86k ap?

Thats like 2 hours of pvp max.

If i can get 1.1 ap in a day and go from assault 1-10, i'm sure you can put a little bit of effort and grind out 86k ap.


I mean every pvpers has got to grind pve for a while in order to be able to pvp.

Kammakazi

It's literally only 88,000 AP to get it.

Before it was 364,000 AP.

and before that it was Rank 10 Alliance.

APPRECIATE THE CHANGES MADE FOR VIGOR

UltimaJoe777

Kammakazi wrote: »

It's literally only 88,000 AP to get it.

Before it was 364,000 AP.

and before that it was Rank 10 Alliance.

APPRECIATE THE CHANGES MADE FOR VIGOR

Not just Vigor but Caltrops too. My main would not have Caltrops if not for the change.

Tiitus

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

UltimaJoe777

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

Unfortunate that you had such a bad experience, but that's only one time. If at first you don't succeed, then try again. But if you give up that easily then what hope is there for your builds?

By the way, it's Rank 6 for Vigor, 9 for Caltrops if you care lol

leepalmer95

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

There is 1 alliance skill line, the only one levelled via pvp. Pve people have cried enough about this and got it to where it is now.

Vigor used to be the end all skill for stamina players, at alliance 10 which required 7m ap to get.

It then got lowered to rank 5 which was around 750k at the time.

People still cried.

It then got lowered to 86k ap for rank 5 and ap per kill got doubled.

What used to be an achievement for long term pvp'ers who unlocked good passive then because a 1 day job and everyone had access to the skill line just by running around in a zerg and not even learning how to pvp.

Oh and don't run around with a zerg, find a small group, get better at pvp and then the ap rolls in.

Haquor

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

1)buy some siege equipment from the merchant. Use siege in kee defense/attack.

2)Tag lots of people with bow if you are stamina or use rapid regen/mutagen and spam heals on friendlis if you are magicka.

3)Stay at keeps and outposts and resources until you recieve the ap ticks for offense/defence.

You will get vigor in no time its so easy these days. You dont have to be good at pvp... just do those three things i said above and you will be fine.

ValkynSketha

You can get it in 2-3 hours, just by repairing.

Ackwalan

Every class can use the restro staff skills

iam_slickone

What campaign are you playing in? Try the highly populated ones. if you Alliance holds a lot of keeps buy some stone and wood at the seige merchant and repair all the walls and doors you can find at all those keeps. I suck at pvp and that's what I did at first.

altemriel

Tiitus wrote: »

Is there a pve version of this "a must have for stambuilds" skill if not can we get one, hate pvp one cuz I suck at it and two cuz its usually follows with toxic ppl not my cup of tea.

Use Rally (Momentum Morph) from 2H skill line, or if you are a Dragon Knight, then use Green Dragon Blood (it is a bit weaker than Rally, but also increases stamina regen).

PVP is not that hard, I PVE 99% of the time, but still I played a bit PVP (get into a bigger group if you are a newbie to PVP, even random groups, just do not walk alone there), you would die many many times (in 2 seconds), but it is still doable, I have unclocked Rapid Maneuvers (movement speed) and Vigor now and it was not that hard, just required some patience and time

altemriel

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

Unfortunate that you had such a bad experience, but that's only one time. If at first you don't succeed, then try again. But if you give up that easily then what hope is there for your builds?

By the way, it's Rank 6 for Vigor, 9 for Caltrops if you care lol

exactly, beginnings are always hard!! practice makes the (pvp) master

altemriel

Tiitus wrote: »

FullBlownBeast wrote: »

This is part of the reason exp changes to assault/support rank came. They are balancing builds with the thought of everyone having access to them (and why all the idiots crying about it were so stupid). Cyrodiil is pure garbage (and I like PVP) but it is easy enough to get rank 5 IMO, would be nice if it wasn't needed but I don't think ZOS is gonna do anything about it.

yes it would be nice. my issue right now is, il have to wait until im 50 to even get the skill, dnt want to out lvl zones by trying to get that skill.

no you totally do not need vigor for PVE (except of end game content - trials, veteran Maelstrom Arena, ...). I am now at cp320 and I only used rally (2handed skill) and green dragon blood (dragon knight skill) and I was fine. then I played PVP few days and I got vigor

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

you should check out these two posts, they are awesome guides for PVP:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/172558/surviving-cyrodiil-how-to-hopefully-die-less-often/p1
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/180394/preparations-for-battle-how-to-create-a-decent-build-for-cyrodiil

Eteson24

Stop crying, you don't have to be a boss at PvP to get vigor. Simply stay with a large group, stay back, and rack up AP points. Also, vigor isn't all that good. I find myself depending on rally more than vigor in PvP.

Skinzz

Just man up and enter cyrodiil. Your alliance needs you. Not. What alliance are u in? If youre xbox na then maybe u can run around with me for couple hours. Having vigor is a relief for stam builds trust me.

dodgehopper_ESO

Tiitus wrote: »

i do not share your "its only" that "its only" is like rank 10 to me right now.. cyrodil is huge i have no idea whats going on, wen i finally found a group we just sat in one spot for a while, zerged on something got very lil AP.. then did that again. dnt know how this can be fun.

for a skill this powerful for stambuilds in endgame pvp/pve content, i feel there should be an equal PVE counterpart.

Its your attitude that is the problem. There are plenty of guilds and people out there willing to help you, but you're putting forth a dark attitude - of course you're having a hard time. Go out there and try to be part of the warfare, and involve yourself in the action. Some people in PVP are idiots and braggarts, but you know what? So are people who do raids and trials in MMO's, in fact sometimes the raid/trial people are bigger annoying braggarts. Look past it, and you'll find some good people to team with, who knows you may learn you like pvp just a little bit.

Skinzz

Iike i said before, im willing to take him in and show him the ropes!

Ep1kMalware

Tiitus wrote: »

so the only options is to sacrifice playstyle (get 2H), use a weak sustain ability (blood craze) or play pvp to get the OP one... got it.

since i have no idea on how to farm AP to lvl up assault tree, how does a pvp newb farm AP in a way that i can get out of there as quickly as possible.

the chances of me killing anyone is zero and the chances of me staying alive is zero.

what I did was I asked [people i ran dungeons with if they were in a pvp guild.

alot of people are receptive to trading help. for example I helped guild leader with some wgt runs amd I got 300k ap in 4hrs

Bromburak

A good class architecture will consider trade offs but they don't really exist in ESO. From design perspective you cannot just give up "old" trinity concepts for hybrid flexibility when it gets out of control like in ESO.

You are able to play very tanky canon with heals, mobility and CC at the same time and this is the best confirmation you can get that a game has severe balancing issues. The reason why ESO balancing will always stay questionable is that ZOS never really made a difference between PvP and PvE. Any change has impact without recognizing PvE or PvP.

This makes class balance very challenging because it's only dealt with symptoms instead with cause.