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Breton Need Damage Buff
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Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.0 -
Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.
What are you on about Bretons being a top choice for magicka. They don't have any offensive passives, they are all defensive
only night blades and Templars do magic damage and there is a reason those 2 do the lowest damage right now and will continue to do so unless we get a magic damage racial
Also people use dunmer or altmer because of elemental damage to buff wall of elements. Absolutely no reason to roll a Breton when high elf even has more sustain thanks to the champion system.#MOREORBS5 -
VampiricByNature✭✭✭✭I would like to see a class with frost damage or lightening dmg buff that matters. Inferno staves are the #1 choice all the time. The dumner change just made it so no one will play a dunmer...
Bretons could get dmg.. sure. But I would just like the cost reduction to matter more.Edited by VampiricByNature on July 17, 2016 6:47AM1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭VampiricByNature wrote: »I would like to see a class with frost damage or lightening dmg buff. Inferno staves are the #1 choice all the time.
Lightning damage would be nice, but sustain would be a lot nicer.
6% cost reduction. Make it happen!3 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.
Are you trolling or ignorant? They are not a top choice... at all. Or well they are top 3 as there are 3 magicka races, but in 3rd place...
If you want DPS you go for Dunmer or Altmer.
If you want sustain its Altmer then Breton.
If you want healing its Argonian.
If you want PvP its Altmer again or Dunmer.(sustain or dps)
If you want Human its Breton but well, that is it, just looks.
An increase to their sustain would make them #1 in sustain... that would be cool. Still last in DPS but whatever, at least they get something. Or DPS... whatever
Also, no reason not to as it would not make them OP they would at most be in line with Altmer/Dunmer or Argonian and compete for #1 in ONE category. Makes sense.3 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.
Ye, i chose breton bc i was dumb and really casual when i started with this game (30.03.2014). The first thing i did on actual PTS was:
1. buy racechange token
2. change my templars race to dunmer
3. i was happy about extra dps
The only reason i play breton templar atm is, that racechange isn't available on live-server yet.Noobplar0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
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Ye, i chose breton bc i was dumb and really casual when i started with this game (30.03.2014). The first thing i did on actual PTS was:
1. buy racechange token
2. change my templars race to dunmer
3. i was happy about extra dps
The only reason i play breton templar atm is, that racechange isn't available on live-server yet.
Same case with me, now I have purchased enough crowns for changing my breton NB to Altmer, Sorcerer to Altmer and Templar to Dunmer once change race available on live server.
My NB is less sustain as breton (consuming mage pots in long fights PVE trials and PVP) and my sorcerer and Templar are losing dps as breton..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 17, 2016 10:11AM0 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.
Are you trolling or ignorant? They are not a top choice... at all. Or well they are top 3 as there are 3 magicka races, but in 3rd place...
If you want DPS you go for Dunmer or Altmer.
If you want sustain its Altmer then Breton.
If you want healing its Argonian.
If you want PvP its Altmer again or Dunmer.(sustain or dps)
If you want Human its Breton but well, that is it, just looks.
An increase to their sustain would make them #1 in sustain... that would be cool. Still last in DPS but whatever, at least they get something. Or DPS... whatever
Also, no reason not to as it would not make them OP they would at most be in line with Altmer/Dunmer or Argonian and compete for #1 in ONE category. Makes sense.
Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.0 -
Destruent✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭If they buffed Bretons' damage they would have to nerf something else of theirs to keep it balanced. Almost every class skill deals magicka damage. If they just got a damage buff with their passives as is, every magicka user would roll Breton. For anyone to say otherwise is disingenuous.
ehm....No?
DKs have mostly flame damage -->7% Buff (Dunmer, 9% max magicka)
Sorcs ~50% Elemental damage class skills --> buffed by 4% (Altmer + 10% magicka) (their PvE-rotation also includes wall of elements and staff attacks + meteor so it's abou 80% elemental damage)
NB: only magic damage as class skills (no buff, PvE-Rotation has ~40% flame damage which is buffed by 7%, dunmer)
Temp: only magic damage (exception: sun fire and morphs), gets also no buff and has ~30...40% elemental damage in pve-rotation (would also go dunmer)
A ~4% buff to magic damage wouldn't really change the dps but would make another race viable for magicka dps.
Really, you are complaining about 2 classes going breton but are ok with 3 classes going dunmer...sounds a bit strange for me
I just don't agree with your numbers. And Bretons are more than "viable". You're a DPS Templar and you chose Bretons, no? I wonder why that is? Bretons are already a top choice for all things magicka. Do they need a damage buff? No. Do you want a damage buff? Yes. They are pretty balanced as is. A lot of class skills are magicka damage and they have the highest magicka resistance. That's better defense than any other magicka race.
Are you trolling or ignorant? They are not a top choice... at all. Or well they are top 3 as there are 3 magicka races, but in 3rd place...
If you want DPS you go for Dunmer or Altmer.
If you want sustain its Altmer then Breton.
If you want healing its Argonian.
If you want PvP its Altmer again or Dunmer.(sustain or dps)
If you want Human its Breton but well, that is it, just looks.
An increase to their sustain would make them #1 in sustain... that would be cool. Still last in DPS but whatever, at least they get something. Or DPS... whatever
Also, no reason not to as it would not make them OP they would at most be in line with Altmer/Dunmer or Argonian and compete for #1 in ONE category. Makes sense.
Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Wall of elements is a great DoT even without a maelstrome-staff. Even without a maelstrome-staff dunmer is best (dps-wise) for a templar and a NB. That 3k magic resist is a joke. As a magic user i just use harness magicka if i want to negate damage. Spellresist is also easy to max out.Noobplar1 -
Samuel_Bantien✭✭✭Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭They are patching the PTS today time to see if they even notice us lol... fingers crossed!3
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Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭Samuel_Bantien wrote: »Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
Wrobel even stated that the Bretons now have the best sustain of any race due to the magicka cost increase. So no, Altmer are not at an advantage. The % to Magic should be given to the Altmer.
Breton is NOT gimped and it is NOT the worst Magicka race.
Edited by Khaos_Bane on July 18, 2016 5:04PM1 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Samuel_Bantien wrote: »Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
Wrobel even stated that the Bretons now have the best sustain of any race due to the magicka cost increase. So no, Altmer are not at an advantage. The % to Magic should be given to the Altmer.
Breton is NOT gimped and it is NOT the worst Magicka race.
You're using Wrobel as a reference here? Seriously? Hahahahaha!
I bet you feel awesome now, and you play a sorc crit tank right?
Or maybe you use crystal blast when surrounded by enemies?
Need I keep going?
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Nifty2g✭✭✭✭✭
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Wrobel forgot the mechanics of his own game when he said that oneKhaos_Bane wrote: »Samuel_Bantien wrote: »Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
Wrobel even stated that the Bretons now have the best sustain of any race due to the magicka cost increase. So no, Altmer are not at an advantage. The % to Magic should be given to the Altmer.
Breton is NOT gimped and it is NOT the worst Magicka race.
Champion system favours regen in the long run and currently high elves and in the lead. It was just disappointing to hear a dev give out such misinformation like that
Sorry to break it to you, it is the worst magicka class, but by the looks of things we won't be seeing a buff
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✭✭✭tinythinker wrote: »dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »No. I could live with them getting better raw magic damage, but honestly Bretons are best known for being the 'resilient mage' race. Elves are generally 'fragile' and humans are generally 'tough'. Bretons are the elf-mer mix so it stands to reason they've got the tough magic, and that's just the way their theme is. To take that away would gut their theme altogether. I personally like my 4k magic resist on my Breton, and I'm of the view it is appropriate. I do think the cost reduction could be higher for them, or they could also get a little magic regeneration, or possibly a small chance to absorb magic.
From something else I wrote a year ago, the Spell Resistance passive could be reworked thus:
Dragonskin
Increases Spell Resistance by 1320/2640/3690 and gives a 2/4/8% chance to absorb a spell projectile for 2000 magicka
I like this suggestion because its actually lore friendly.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.
Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.
To be fair though Bretons need significantly better magic resiliency to fit lore, particularly if you take their magic away. I love the idea of a passive chance to absorb magic someone posted.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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dodgehopper_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Sallington wrote: »I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.
Thematically speaking I think it would be more appropriate to give generic +Crit to Imperials due to their consistently high +Luck stat. In fact I think this would make a lot more sense than Red Diamond as it currently exists. I'm speaking purely from a lore perspective here.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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✭✭✭Exactly, if not magic damage then more sustain, that works too... increase the sustain of the current passive of make one like the redguards, anything works.
Can you imagine getting back 20% of the cost of every spell that hit you back?Sallington wrote: »I would trade Spell Resist for +Magic Damage in a heartbeat. I'd even take +Spell Critical, since that would be unique to Bretons.
Bretons have never had spell damage or crit in any elder scrolls game. DaggerFall, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim
In every elder scrolls we used to get spell absorption. Dragon skin. It absorbs a percentage (20%?) of magic damage and returns it as Magicka. That's what our racial lore is.
They can't implement that here, it's both OP as heck and not written in the core game. So they gave us max Magicka, spell resist, and cost reduction to sort of mimic that. Problem is, the cost reduction isn't big enough. It's 10 CP of magician.
50% even
I did forget that it was a one day power. But with all of the resting/travel time, I always had it up whenever really needed. Especially for the dragon priests, so much fun.
I never found the 1/day powers all that useful. Fun for a moment, but I couldn't be bothered to rest a whole day just to regenerate one power. That stuff was fluff, and one reason I felt Orcs got shafted in Skyrim.US/AD - Dodge Hopper - Vet Imperial Templar | US/AD - Goj-ei-Raj - Vet Argonian Nightblade
US/AD - Arondonimo - Vet Altmer Sorcerer | US/AD - Azumarax - Vet Dunmer Dragon Knight
US/AD - Barkan al-Sheharesh - Vet Redguard Dragon Knight | US/AD - Aelus Vortavoriil - Vet Altmer Templar
US/AD - Shirari Qa'Dar - Vet Khajiit Nightblade | US/AD - Ndvari Mzunchvolenthumz - Vet Bosmer Nightblade
US/EP - Yngmar - Vet Nord Dragon Knight | US/EP - Reloth Ur Fyr - Vet Dunmer Sorcerer
US/DC - Muiredeach - Vet Breton Sorcerer | US/DC - Nachtrabe - Vet Orc Nightblade
EU/DC - Dragol gro-Unglak - Vet Orc Dragon Knight | EU/DC - Targan al-Barkan - Vet Redguard Templar
EU/DC - Wuthmir - Vet Nord Sorcerer | EU/DC - Kosh Ragotoro - Vet Khajiit Nightblade
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✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Samuel_Bantien wrote: »Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
Wrobel even stated that the Bretons now have the best sustain of any race due to the magicka cost increase. So no, Altmer are not at an advantage. The % to Magic should be given to the Altmer.
Breton is NOT gimped and it is NOT the worst Magicka race.
You're using Wrobel as a reference here? Seriously? Hahahahaha!
I bet you feel awesome now, and you play a sorc crit tank right?
Or maybe you use crystal blast when surrounded by enemies?
Need I keep going?
No, I play a Magicka Templar, and have a lot of CP.
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Samuel_Bantien✭✭✭@Khaos_Bane
It would also be worth stating that the Lich set (Magicka Regeneration 5 Piece) is considered much better than the Seducer set (8% Reduced Magicka Cost). There is no argument about that.
Wrobel's words do not matter because he obviously has no clue that Magicka Regeneration has been clearly better than Magicka Reduction for over a year now. I can't tell if you're playing Devil's Advocate, trolling, or being serious, but if you want to explain why with calculations, testing, and Critical Thinking about the topic of Reduction Vs. Regeneration, and why Bretons do not deserbe a buff whereas Altmer's do I would be willing to give an ear.
Another example of how much better Altmers are compared to Bretons would be the Champion System. Breton's 3% Spell Cost Reduction is equal to 7 Champion Points; whereas Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration is equal to 27 Champion Points.
If you would like to go further, Wrobel stated that each class deserves an offensive passive (Physical Damage, Fire/Frost/Shock, Physical Crit, etc.) which Breton's are lacking.
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Magicka Dragonknight: Suedoú
Magicka Nightblade: Suedou
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Khaos_Bane wrote: »Samuel_Bantien wrote: »Again, they have the best magicka defense. So many class skills use magicka damage. Breton are great for PvP. And you guys are all balancing racial skills around Maelstrom staves and wall of elements. What poor decision-making. Maelstrom staves are FOTM, but that's not always going to be the case. Keep chasing your FOTM builds. I hope you all buy enough race change tokens for next DLC when something else comes out that makes the Maelstrom staff obsolete. That's hilarious.
Since you are talking about PvP I should state that "the best magicka defense" racial can be 100% penetrated by a weapon trait. "The best magicka defense" is also 100% penetrated by wearing a full set of light armor.
The only real advantage Bretons have over the 1 other Magicka Races (Dunmer) is that we have 1% more Magicka than Dunmer. We do not have any advantages over Altmer DPS or Sustain wise. PvP wise since you bring that up; Dunmer's recieve 6% Stamina (which is very important in PvP) which gives them more flexibility (dodge roll, break free, and block) than Bretons. Altmer's 9% Magicka Regeneration stacks very well with the Atronach mundus and gear which allows a tremendous amount of sustain. Bretons have been gimped since 1.6. especially with the strong 3K spell resist which was fully penetrated by Nirnhoned for the longest time (Resource Regeneration also became the new meta instead of reduction since then). I could go on with the history lesson of Breton becoming the worst Magicka race, but I feel the displayed information should suffice.
#BuffTheBret
Wrobel even stated that the Bretons now have the best sustain of any race due to the magicka cost increase. So no, Altmer are not at an advantage. The % to Magic should be given to the Altmer.
Breton is NOT gimped and it is NOT the worst Magicka race.
Yea but starting from about the 4th grade when you learn basic math you realize he was wrong... and after that revelation you understand that the 3% cost reduction is like the worst racial yet its supposed to be a powerful 3rd tier one.
So adjustments are needed even if they keep it and just tweak the numbers.
@ZOS_GinaBruno can we please get an answer from this even a negative one presenting numbers would make most happy as it would show you care enough to do it.2 -
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✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.
Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.
To be fair though Bretons need significantly better magic resiliency to fit lore, particularly if you take their magic away. I love the idea of a passive chance to absorb magic someone posted.
Yes, passive chance to absorb magic is good
There are many good ideas discuss in thread, I hope developer are considering seriously forum feedback.Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 19, 2016 5:42AM2 -
Reykice✭✭✭✭✭Lord_Dexter wrote: »dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »Bretons are fine, lorewise as well as gameplay wise.
Bretons have always been the defensive mages. Gifted with magicka and sustain, but also with a natural resistance to magic. And the defense bonus they have in ESO is noticeable.
Sorry to say that, but actually Altmer need buffs (or bretons a nerf):) Lorewise that is. Doesn't work that Bretons have the same Magicka bonus. That's not lore friendly at all.
To be fair though Bretons need significantly better magic resiliency to fit lore, particularly if you take their magic away. I love the idea of a passive chance to absorb magic someone posted.
Yes, passive chance to absorb magic is good
There are many good ideas discuss in thread, I hope developer are considering seriously forum feedback.
As a person with 260 days left on his subscription i`m regretting supporting this as it feels they are not even looking at the threads they are making at all.
They really need a person to read the forums not just for moderation but to talk to the customers, a community manager that can answer question. I know they have Gina as admin but they need a dedicated person for this job that answers stuff more often.
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Baharoth77✭✭✭I have to agree. Bretons need a racial buff bad. There are already too few races with magic boosting abilities. The Breton is far behind his High and Dark Elven counterparts.1
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Akrimus✭✭Bretons don't need magic damage buff. Spell crit would be more universal.PC EU DC Akrimus (Sorcerer) Daggerfall Bandits0 -
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✭✭✭✭It would be nice to have a none-elf Magicka DPS option.V16 Uriel Stormblessed EP Magicka Templar(main)
V16 Derelict Vagabond EP Stamina DK
V16 Redacted Ep Stam Sorc
V16 Insolent EP Magicka Sorc(retired)
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Reykice✭✭✭✭✭timidobserver wrote: »It would be nice to have a none-elf Magicka DPS option.
Yes... a human race would be a boon. Maybe if we say pretty please?
Not much time to make the changes...0
