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Should ZOS update the Xbox One version graphics for Scorpio release?
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate at 1080p. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who are into PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p (or higher) in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to tank in large Cyrodiil battles.
Edited by IcyDeadPeople on July 14, 2016 5:12PM0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who avoid PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to drop even further in large Cyrodiil battles.
next time I am in PVP I'll bump my resolution down to 1080P and kick my processor up to 4.5GHz and get you a recording to find out what it is capable of. I have no idea , it should be interesting.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who avoid PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to drop even further in large Cyrodiil battles.
@IcyDeadPeople
Step back a min.....
The point of this discussion is that the Scorpio is no longer this traditional console thing.
While I personally don't care for 60FPS on Xbox one cause it's not an option for ESO, consider we all have the exact same machine so while on PC settings make sense on consoles it can cause an unfair situation so the concept is higher graphical fidelity at the current FPS fo Xbox one. 30 FPS is 30 FPS regardless of how awesome it looks.
All this to say, I'd like the Xbox one version to look a whole helluva a lot better in 4K I'm not asking for personal tweaks
Your concerns are really on the PC environment where those desires make absolute perfect sense but I'd go as far as to say that would be the wrong opportunity for Xbox one even if it's possible in PvP or PvE where leaderboards and competition occur.
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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elium85✭✭✭NoAlas, my source of sadness in all of this is the release date of Holiday's 2017. That's way, way too far away...0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatNewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who avoid PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to drop even further in large Cyrodiil battles.
@IcyDeadPeople
Step back a min.....
The point of this discussion is that the Scorpio is no longer this traditional console thing.
While I personally don't care for 60FPS on Xbox one cause it's not an option for ESO, consider we all have the exact same machine so while on PC settings make sense on consoles it can cause an unfair situation so the concept is higher graphical fidelity at the current FPS fo Xbox one. 30 FPS is 30 FPS regardless of how awesome it looks.
All this to say, I'd like the Xbox one version to look a whole helluva a lot better in 4K I'm not asking for personal tweaks
Your concerns are really on the PC environment where those desires make absolute perfect sense but I'd go as far as to say that would be the wrong opportunity for Xbox one even if it's possible in PvP or PvE where leaderboards and competition occur.
If Microsoft is doing what I think they are doing then it means that the Xbox is going to become like a iPad. Every year there are going to be new updates with more powerful versions. You can play on the older ones but eventually it will be slow and you will need to upgrade. It will be less expensive then the PC in the short run but over generations it will probably end up being a wash or costing more as things go when you don't buy in bulk. In this case power is the commodity.
I think this is a potentially great move as it sets the ground work for all old Xbox games being able to work on the new Xbox platforms from here on out while also not remaining static in capabilities. I think it is good news for the PC gamer as well because we will get things like Halo, COD, Forza coming to the PC now.1 -
Fignutz821✭✭✭Othercould care less about slightly better graphics, I want the lag, load screens, and DC's fixedCR 561+
LV 50 Nord Dk tank/stam DPS (stormproof)
LV 50 High Elf Sorc DPS (flawless)
LV 50 Argonian Templar Helaer (yes its a lizard, SMH)
LV 50 Breton NB magicka DPS (stormproof)
LV 50 Imperial Stamplar (Jabicus)
LV 50 khajit Stamblade (Panthrro from the thunder cats)
LV 50 Redguard stamsorc (stormproof/AD spy)
LV 50 Dark Elf Magic DK (stormproof/ DC spy)
All characters are NA EP xbox1 (I bleed red)0 -
IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who avoid PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to drop even further in large Cyrodiil battles.
@IcyDeadPeople
Step back a min.....
The point of this discussion is that the Scorpio is no longer this traditional console thing.
While I personally don't care for 60FPS on Xbox one cause it's not an option for ESO, consider we all have the exact same machine so while on PC settings make sense on consoles it can cause an unfair situation so the concept is higher graphical fidelity at the current FPS fo Xbox one. 30 FPS is 30 FPS regardless of how awesome it looks.
All this to say, I'd like the Xbox one version to look a whole helluva a lot better in 4K I'm not asking for personal tweaks
Your concerns are really on the PC environment where those desires make absolute perfect sense but I'd go as far as to say that would be the wrong opportunity for Xbox one even if it's possible in PvP or PvE where leaderboards and competition occur.
The problem is if it's set up to deliver 30FPS in PVE, then you may end up with around 10-15fps (or lower) in large PVP battles. It's not fun at all when this occurs.
You raise a good point about concerns of Scorpio players having an advantage over previous generation players due to higher frame rate, but I imagine this is something that will need to be addressed across all multiplayer games on the platform, no?
60fps is more enjoyable overall experience than 30fps, and then when it drops lower it starts to become frustrating to play the game.next time I am in PVP I'll bump my resolution down to 1080P and kick my processor up to 4.5GHz and get you a recording to find out what it is capable of. I have no idea , it should be interesting.
Great to hear - would love to see more examples of this kind of footage as I'm planning to upgrade soon. My suggestion would be to visit some keeps under siege in Trueflame at primetime.
Edited by IcyDeadPeople on July 14, 2016 5:34PM0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatFignutz821 wrote: »could care less about slightly better graphics, I want the lag, load screens, and DC's fixed
The load screens can be mitigated on the Xbox One by buying a USB3 drive enclosure and putting a SD drive in it. Move ESO to the SSD.
The lag and disconnects unfortunately can only happen if they introduce more servers. Maybe if the PVP zones where instanced and you could select which one you where going into or if you are grouped it put all in the same instance it would help by easing the pressure on the individual machines running it. However I don't think they are interested in this solution. Maybe one day everyone will finally get fiber internet and things can improve by mere fact that the data pipeline is bigger.0 -
Jaronking✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, graphic improvements would be great
I don't think it be the same the scripo is 4-5 times more powerful then the neo so they won't look the same even if they buff both to 4k.Of anything they probably will make the scripo version similar to PC like remove the draw distance thing and better lightening.0 -
bedlom✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIt is very much possible for them to do (especially with performance) despite what a few comments are saying.
And I am sure they will do it, look at the difference between ps3 and ps4 versions of FFXIV!1 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »IcyDeadPeople wrote: »Aren't the graphics on XB1 and PS4 already pretty close to the level of PC?
The videos I've seen of console footage already look pretty great, much better than what the game looks like on my PC which is at lowest settings.
Rather than higher res textures, godrays or whatever, I'd be pushing for higher frame rate instead. The gameplay feels so much smoother when you get close to 60fps.
They are mid range. The lighting settings are turned down and the draw distances are shorter. Plus at the most it is 1080P. I play max settings at 4K. There is a huge difference. However the screenshots of the console versions still look pretty good for what they are.
In my case, I'm on lowest possible settings (minecraft mode) at 800x600 or 1280x720. The game looks a lot better on console compared to my experience, but I get 50-60fps in most areas except Cyrodiil.
1080p 60fps max settings in Cyrodiil battles, even i7-5820K and 980Ti cannot deliver this, but at least it can maintain around 30-40fps in those conditions, which is much higher than most PCs.
If I were to purchase the new Xbox, I'd be more concerned about whether it can get close to 1080p 60fps in Cyrodiil. Smooth frame rate is much more important than fancy textures etc., and I'd forget about 4k.
@IcyDeadPeople
Let's assume the Scorpio costs $599 to $899
Why wouldn't you expect both FPS and graphical improvements?
There is always a choice to be made here, and currently large battles in Cyrodiil are so demanding that only the highest end PCs are able to maintain playable frame rate. So far to my knowledge there is nothing on the market yet capable of stable 1080p 60fps max settings in zerg battles.
Haven't seen any footage recorded with GTX 1080 or 1070, but my understanding is this is more demanding on the CPU than the GPU.
The problem is with consoles traditionally you haven't been able to adjust the graphics settings manually. So you might get very high frame rate in some instanced dungeon with high settings, but then go to Cyrodiil and struggle to reach playable frame rate, without the option to tweak settings for better performance.
No idea what the ratio is for those people who avoid PVP on Xbox, but for those who participate, I imagine the frame rate in Cyrodiil is one of the highest priorities. If an updated version of the game were designed in a way to deliver average 30fps at ultra high settings 1080p in PVE areas and instanced dungeons, then your frame rate is going to drop even further in large Cyrodiil battles.
@IcyDeadPeople
Step back a min.....
The point of this discussion is that the Scorpio is no longer this traditional console thing.
While I personally don't care for 60FPS on Xbox one cause it's not an option for ESO, consider we all have the exact same machine so while on PC settings make sense on consoles it can cause an unfair situation so the concept is higher graphical fidelity at the current FPS fo Xbox one. 30 FPS is 30 FPS regardless of how awesome it looks.
All this to say, I'd like the Xbox one version to look a whole helluva a lot better in 4K I'm not asking for personal tweaks
Your concerns are really on the PC environment where those desires make absolute perfect sense but I'd go as far as to say that would be the wrong opportunity for Xbox one even if it's possible in PvP or PvE where leaderboards and competition occur.
The problem is if it's set up to deliver 30FPS in PVE, then you may end up with around 10-15fps (or lower) in large PVP battles. It's not fun at all when this occurs.
You raise a good point about concerns of Scorpio players having an advantage over previous generation players due to higher frame rate, but I imagine this is something that will need to be addressed across all multiplayer games on the platform, no?
60fps is more enjoyable overall experience than 30fps, and then when it drops lower it starts to become frustrating to play the game.
@IcyDeadPeople
You know we can't actually see the pre-sets but FPS isn't a issue on consoles in comparison to what occurs on PC. I own both but for the last year, only play PTS and then Xbox one. Understand when I mention 30 FPS on console, it's to be taken as locked and no dips.
It feels in most cases the same as far as FPS in PvP vs PvE. Perhaps the pre-sets adjust for each or maybe not but it's not a issue largely. If PvE has FPS issues on console so does PvP. I've personally not had a PvP FPS issue that wasn't also in PvE.
Sure if there are 150 players in one area it gets interesting but that's not something similar to PC lag and FPS issues. Kinda interesting that it's not so much cause it still seems locked FPS at 30.
I seriously doubt Scorpio players will have any advantage cause again, it's not PC. It's just a different experience overall so it's why is like there to be a 4K with higher graphical fidelity overall
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Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIcyDeadPeople wrote: »Great to hear - would love to see more examples of this kind of footage as I'm planning to upgrade soon. My suggestion would be to visit some keeps under siege in Trueflame at primetime.
That shouldn't be a problem. I'm sure I can talk some guild mates into going into the thick of things again tonight. Edited by Niastissa on July 14, 2016 5:38PM1 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatKhaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.0 -
Khaos_Bane✭✭✭✭✭
✭NoKhaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
Edited by Khaos_Bane on July 14, 2016 5:43PM0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatKhaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
I don't know if I could give up my Blackwidow, Naga Epic and Man O War to sit on the couch.
That said they give up the ability to upgrade hardware and the game will always run as good as it runs. On a game like this it means it is a slow glide towards not running on the system as the memory requires balloon and the system starts crashing because it ran out of memory. I guess the point was reached.
But we don't have to point it out.
Edited by Niastissa on July 14, 2016 5:47PM0 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatKhaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
@Khaos_Bane
(Completely poking fun at you <to be taken as humor>)
So when the Project Scorpio hits and it's some rediculously OP system
When console gamers are playing at 4K at whatever FPS on 4K HDR10 screens with full vid settings on this, will you please do a video of you calling yourself a couch PC economical gamer?
Fair is fair right Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 14, 2016 5:48PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
@Khaos_Bane
(Completely poking fun at you <to be taken as humor>)
So when the Project Scorpio hits and it's some rediculously OP system
When console gamers are playing at 4K at whatever FPS on 4K HDR10 screens with full vid settings on this, will you please do a video of you calling yourself a couch PC economical gamer?
Fair is fair right
mmm 4K gaming goodness. I don't think the console is going to be $600 and do 4K. My GTX 1080 cost $700 and it can't keep max settings in a raid and PVP and maintain 60FPS. I need another. That is $1400 in graphics cards. My processor was $500. My motherboard was $200 and my memory was something like $200 at the time. My core computer not counting the rest of the parts (HDD, PSU, Case, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, eat) was $1600 and I am looking at spending another $700.
There is no way a console is going to be as capable for a third the price. The Scorpio is going to probably be at least $1000 and have tons of ads to support it. Don't get me wrong I love the idea and fully support it but don't get your hopes up on it being 4K and inexpensive.
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✭NoNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
@Khaos_Bane
(Completely poking fun at you <to be taken as humor>)
So when the Project Scorpio hits and it's some rediculously OP system
When console gamers are playing at 4K at whatever FPS on 4K HDR10 screens with full vid settings on this, will you please do a video of you calling yourself a couch PC economical gamer?
Fair is fair right
LOL. If consoles ever become more powerful than the PC and have better graphics I will move to one.
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatNewBlacksmurf wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
@Khaos_Bane
(Completely poking fun at you <to be taken as humor>)
So when the Project Scorpio hits and it's some rediculously OP system
When console gamers are playing at 4K at whatever FPS on 4K HDR10 screens with full vid settings on this, will you please do a video of you calling yourself a couch PC economical gamer?
Fair is fair right
mmm 4K gaming goodness. I don't think the console is going to be $600 and do 4K. My GTX 1080 cost $700 and it can't keep max settings in a raid and PVP and maintain 60FPS. I need another. That is $1400 in graphics cards. My processor was $500. My motherboard was $200 and my memory was something like $200 at the time. My core computer not counting the rest of the parts (HDD, PSU, Case, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, eat) was $1600 and I am looking at spending another $700.
There is no way a console is going to be as capable for a third the price. The Scorpio is going to probably be at least $1000 and have tons of ads to support it. Don't get me wrong I love the idea and fully support it but don't get your hopes up on it being 4K and inexpensive.
@Niastissa
I'm fully expecting $1200 console at a min.
I paid that for my very first gaming laptop 8 years ago. I'd expect nothing less but for that price I also expect games where devs are doing updates monthly to give me some fluff and beauty in the graphics.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on July 14, 2016 5:56PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Exactly, you're going from ~2 million pixels on each frame to more than 8 million. About 4 times more demanding than 1080p. And so far I still haven't seen any PC getting stable 60fps at 1080p in large PVP battles (since Patch 1.2 at least).
I think we need this
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIcyDeadPeople wrote: »Exactly, you're going from ~2 million pixels on each frame to more than 8 million. About 4 times more demanding than 1080p. And so far I still haven't seen any PC getting stable 60fps at 1080p in large PVP battles (since Patch 1.2 at least).
@IcyDeadPeople
Pretty sure it's logical to expect 4K high fidelity on the Scorpio at 30fps locked
Just looking at this one article cause it has some tables (not saying this is 100% accurate but the concepts align)
http://www.gamespot.com/articles/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1070-review/1100-6440307/
I think the Scorpio update if ZOS does this has to be a 4K based thing cause at 6TF and only 1080p it's gonna get a lot of forum complaints cause ppl will expect high fidelity and 60fps but then that creates this unfair argument.
Who knows if ZOS even cares tho
I mean honestly if I can push the envelope is fully like options
1080p with full graphics and 60 FPS (insert parade of unfair threads)
4K with high graphic settings locked at 30fps (most logical circumstance)
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BenLocoDete✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatI like how there is also an option for just "Yes" but everyone decided to add a little something choosing the "Yes, graph....." option
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Kalifas✭✭✭OtherMy woman plays on an I5NewBlacksmurf wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »No. They are console players and don't care about good graphics.
Come on now be nice. Consoles are economical and have great couch game time capabilities.
LOL. I am being nice, but console players are looking for couch and price more than graphics. That's what they give up.
Also I play PC ESO in my recliner on a 70" UHD TV.
@Khaos_Bane
(Completely poking fun at you <to be taken as humor>)
So when the Project Scorpio hits and it's some rediculously OP system
When console gamers are playing at 4K at whatever FPS on 4K HDR10 screens with full vid settings on this, will you please do a video of you calling yourself a couch PC economical gamer?
Fair is fair right
mmm 4K gaming goodness. I don't think the console is going to be $600 and do 4K. My GTX 1080 cost $700 and it can't keep max settings in a raid and PVP and maintain 60FPS. I need another. That is $1400 in graphics cards. My processor was $500. My motherboard was $200 and my memory was something like $200 at the time. My core computer not counting the rest of the parts (HDD, PSU, Case, Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, eat) was $1600 and I am looking at spending another $700.
There is no way a console is going to be as capable for a third the price. The Scorpio is going to probably be at least $1000 and have tons of ads to support it. Don't get me wrong I love the idea and fully support it but don't get your hopes up on it being 4K and inexpensive.
According to this youtube guy they are going with "Zen" and MS is going to sell at a loss to make it happen. A console on par with a top end PC that costs hundreds of dollars more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=msMUSFHZHMM Edited by Kalifas on July 14, 2016 7:51PMAn Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatYuck AMD junk again. It will never run as well.
Plus of course they are going to sell it at a loss. You'll have advertisements all over it and be locked in though.
You will in no way have top of the line tech though. Better tech then now yes but not top end.
This guy is also taking numbers from Haswell and comparing it to the top of the line Haswell-E. He has no clue what he is talking about.Edited by Niastissa on July 14, 2016 7:53PM1 -
Kalifas✭✭✭OtherI'm not saying he is right, just posted the vid. I understand MS might sell at a loss but this guy is talking about them selling Scorpio at 400 bucks lol.
I think MS is not going to sell at much of a loss because they can't if they want to go high end and top PS4 Neo. Also Phil said he didn't care how many Scorpios sold that it is just part of the live eco system.
I think it will be 800-1200 bucks. That is alot of dough for a console which can't even do everything a PC can do other than games. Hope I'm wrong cause gaming on consoles is so much simpler.An Avid fan of Elder Scrolls Online. Check out my Concepts Repository!0 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatIt will be expensive. It better come with the elite controller and a drive bay for user replaceable drives. No more of the requiring a special formatted drive from Microsoft. The system needs to be able to take a blank drive and format it to work just like they do with USB drives. Maybe even two drive bays since the games are so large now.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatI'm sitting at $1000 at a min.
Let's be honest, the freaking elite controller is $150-$200 and the Xbox one s replaced the current Xbox one prices.
@Kalifas and @Niastissa
Could you imagine anything under $799 that's worth buying even based off speculations like that YouTube video?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Niastissa✭✭✭Yes, graphic improvements would be greatNewBlacksmurf wrote: »I'm sitting at $1000 at a min.
Let's be honest, the freaking elite controller is $150-$200 and the Xbox one s replaced the current Xbox one prices.
@Kalifas and @Niastissa
Could you imagine anything under $799 that's worth buying even based off speculations like that YouTube video?
A 6700K goes for $350 and a GTX 1070 is about $460. If a custom motherboard was put together to incorporate these chips into the machine and sold at a loss without a drive in a bay that allowed a user to bring their own drive they could squeak in at the $799 price point.
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Kalifas✭✭✭OtherNewBlacksmurf wrote: »I'm sitting at $1000 at a min.
Let's be honest, the freaking elite controller is $150-$200 and the Xbox one s replaced the current Xbox one prices.
@Kalifas and @Niastissa
Could you imagine anything under $799 that's worth buying even based off speculations like that YouTube video?
@NewBlacksmurf
Worth it to me? I'd pay 800 for that performance but would dread it down to the last minute. Over 1000 and there is no way In hell I would pay for it. I'd wait till Xbox Sub-Zero or whatever the 8K version is called and then get the scorpio.
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