Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

Hey, I know, let's find a way to use misleading anecdotal evidence because Zheg making the same point 5 different ways is too difficult to address because he's right. Well, here's mine, and since I have far more balanced ratios, well ... whatever happened to being zergling jesus beam spammers? I have failed my legacy. It's almost like ... I use other skills in appropriate ratios. It's almost like, I can and do use things other than jesus beam and might actually be looking at the skill and balance overall objectively, go figure.

Also, I'm going to call absolute BS on you being a "full-time healer" and getting near 900 KBs with jesus beam in 2 weeks, hint hint - you aren't a healer if you're focusing on killing that much.

When I mean that I'm a tank full time healer, it means that I have 100 points in blessed and 20 points in Quick Recovery and no points in Elemental Expert or Thaumaturge. I obviously focus on killing people having nearly 900 kills with Radiant Destruction. There is even a picture to demonstrate it. The point I was making is that I haven't even needed to spec as a dps to get 900 kills in 2weeks with Radiant Destruction. This being said, Buff Magplar.

maxjapank wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

That doesn't mean a thing. It's an execution spell. I'm sure if you posted from other class, it would have other spells very high on the kill list. The main thing is that your picture doesn't show what's going on in the fight. I'm sure there are other spells damaging the target. So even though Radiant got the killing blow, it wasn't the only spell used.

The guy asked for other people to link their KC stats which I did. Nothing more, nothing less.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

Hey, I know, let's find a way to use misleading anecdotal evidence because Zheg making the same point 5 different ways is too difficult to address because he's right. Well, here's mine, and since I have far more balanced ratios, well ... whatever happened to being zergling jesus beam spammers? I have failed my legacy. It's almost like ... I use other skills in appropriate ratios. It's almost like, I can and do use things other than jesus beam and might actually be looking at the skill and balance overall objectively, go figure.

Also, I'm going to call absolute BS on you being a "full-time healer" and getting near 900 KBs with jesus beam in 2 weeks, hint hint - you aren't a healer if you're focusing on killing that much.

When I mean that I'm a tank full time healer, it means that I have 100 points in blessed and 20 points in Quick Recovery and no points in Elemental Expert or Thaumaturge. I obviously focus on killing people having nearly 900 kills with Radiant Destruction. There is even a picture to demonstrate it. The point I was making is that I haven't even needed to spec as a dps to get 900 kills in 2weeks with Radiant Destruction. This being said, Buff Magplar.

maxjapank wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

That doesn't mean a thing. It's an execution spell. I'm sure if you posted from other class, it would have other spells very high on the kill list. The main thing is that your picture doesn't show what's going on in the fight. I'm sure there are other spells damaging the target. So even though Radiant got the killing blow, it wasn't the only spell used.

The guy asked for other people to link their KC stats which I did. Nothing more, nothing less.

It's very easy to steal kills on a healer with jesus beam, it doesn't mean you did much to bring about their deaths. I frequently teased my dps when they did all of the work and I got that last tick because of jesus beam. The fact that you have that many kills in (you say) 2 weeks likely demonstrates you doing nothing at all but spamming the skill, the very behavior you chastise.

There is no need to buff magplar damage, but there is also no need to nerf it. If there was, you'd be able to refute my one counterpoint that everyone avoids.

The fact that I can easily farm 400k AP a day soloing my way up to 1st overall on the competitive campaign using a fire balista shot + charging into a zerg by myself with Devouring Swarms + Spears + RD to execute low targets without the assistance of anybody prouve how ridiculously weak is the class. The reason why I think Wrobel and company should address RD properly and gives a 2k magicka recovery buff on cast and a 80% snare explosion on a 12meter radius to anybody who die from it.

Correct me if I'm wrong but...

What is the point in showing results from proper usage of an execute? If you use it as an execute....it should be the spell that has killed most of your opponents... O.O

KenaPKK wrote: »

Please point out where I lied, ever. Good luck with that one. Amusing how that is the default accusation sore losers fall back on. ^.^ You'll just go the way of the others.

OK.

May 11, 2016:

Kena:

[Before the Thieves Guld Patch], even templars were saying to just leave the class alone."

Templars were saying to leave the class alone huh?

Remember the PTS patch from Thieve's Guild? 83 pages of templars saying fix the class.

Completely dishonest.

And as much as you keep telling me that Blab supports your proposal for a range reduction on Radiant Destruction, that does NOT mean you didn't put words in his mouth instead of letting him speak for himself. Remember when you said this:

"I trust Blab's opinion over yours. People were performing fine last patch, and he said magplar was perfectly balanced last patch and that the TG buffs were unnecessary"

Blab said no such thing. If you actually valued and trusted his opinion as much as you'd claim, then you would have at least bothered to know it.

In October 2015, in a thread titled "My Take on Templars"

blabafat wrote:

-Radiant destruction should not be dodgeable while being channeled

In December 2015, in thread titled "Templar Issues Thread"

blabafat wrote:

Radiant Destruction is dodgeable

Again in Decemeber 2015, this time in a thread titled "Templar Tweek Suggestion"

blabafat wrote:

Radiant destruction should not be dodgeable.

In another December 2015 thread titled "Flashes"

blabafat wrote:

Radiant destruction is very weak now. They reduced the ticks on it, it goes through dodge roll, and it leaves you vulnerable(as it has and should of course).

On January 17, 2016, he wrote this in a thread titled "Templar"

blabafat wrote:

-Radiant Destruction shouldn't be dodgeable

And as far as your claim that he believed that templars were perfectly balanced and the TG buffs unnecessary, this is what he wrote on Feburary 3, 2016 upon reading those buffs:

blabafat wrote:

Amazing

Just because Blab, like most templars, have since come to reassess the changes the ZoS implemented does not change the fact that you were just making up crap and engaging in revisionist history.

May 5, 2016

Kena wrote:

RD can't be blocked

Dishonest. It most certainly can.

May 6, 2016

Kena wrote:

There is absolutely no reason death should be guaranteed in an outnumbered scenario, so stop using that as an argument

Slanderous. I never used the argument that death should be guaranteed in an outnumbered scenario.

********

Rather than ask me for my opinion or assessment about RD, you instead have chosen to imply that I'm just a zerg-baddie and a biased templar just because I call you out when you present a poor argument or just make stuff up. I don't think you wish to engage in an honest discussion about RD that involves give and take, compromise, and recognizing the other side of the argument. Instead you continue to spam threads about the same thing day after day with misleading presentation of the "facts." That to me is just as much "part of the problem" as you say. Tell me Kena, why is it that it is OK for one side of the debate to be biased and not the other? Because you think that one side is correct? It takes two to tango Kena, if you want an productive discussion about RD and how best to reform it, how about you stop behaving in precisely the manner you censure me for? I won't deny I have egged you on, insinuated L2P arguments against you myself, and given you ample reason not to like me on these forums, but I absolutely reject I have not been honest with my arguments about the actual skill RD.

I tell you what @KenaPKK , just to show you I'm not all talk and can actually live up to and beyond the standards you demand from me, I will make a post with my assessment of RD and what ZoS should do with it. I will promise you this, if and when that post degenerates into unproductive mud-slinging, I will NOT be responsible for its devolution. I will make no accusations, insinuate nothing about other posters, be completely free of having an agenda, and post with the object of complete impartiality and what is best for the game. If and when I do this, I don't ever want to hear from you again that I'm "part of the problem," a zerg-baddie, or tag me as being unreasonable.

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

Hey, I know, let's find a way to use misleading anecdotal evidence because Zheg making the same point 5 different ways is too difficult to address because he's right. Well, here's mine, and since I have far more balanced ratios, well ... whatever happened to being zergling jesus beam spammers? I have failed my legacy. It's almost like ... I use other skills in appropriate ratios. It's almost like, I can and do use things other than jesus beam and might actually be looking at the skill and balance overall objectively, go figure.

Also, I'm going to call absolute BS on you being a "full-time healer" and getting near 900 KBs with jesus beam in 2 weeks, hint hint - you aren't a healer if you're focusing on killing that much.

When I mean that I'm a tank full time healer, it means that I have 100 points in blessed and 20 points in Quick Recovery and no points in Elemental Expert or Thaumaturge. I obviously focus on killing people having nearly 900 kills with Radiant Destruction. There is even a picture to demonstrate it. The point I was making is that I haven't even needed to spec as a dps to get 900 kills in 2weeks with Radiant Destruction. This being said, Buff Magplar.

maxjapank wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

maxjapank wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Dealing with 1 or 2 beams is fine, nothing that bad about it really.

But having someone beam you in the back while you're trying to take on 1 or 2 people and having that person just spam beam on you is just absolutely pathetic. That is the main point of this thread, and I've done this to see what it's like, I know it's pathetic

What's pathetic is you even making this out to be a thing. There are plenty of skills that would take you out while you are fighting 1-2 people. That's the point. You die in pvp when you are outnumbered and/or when someone is sniping you from range. What a terrible argument!

But are those skills also executes? Because that's the main problem of Radiant. It's execute ability and kills people more effective then other spammable non execute ones.

I'd like to see some of the other Templar killing blows sheet.

This is from barely 2weeks of PVP as a tank full time healer (no cps spent in damage).

That doesn't mean a thing. It's an execution spell. I'm sure if you posted from other class, it would have other spells very high on the kill list. The main thing is that your picture doesn't show what's going on in the fight. I'm sure there are other spells damaging the target. So even though Radiant got the killing blow, it wasn't the only spell used.

The guy asked for other people to link their KC stats which I did. Nothing more, nothing less.

If there was, you'd be able to refute my one counterpoint that everyone avoids.

What on earth is this one counterpoint that we're "avoiding?" You've mentioned it a couple times since this debate ended, but I must have missed it.

You've yet to directly respond to my argument of the hole in RD's counterplay or my summary post of the thread, so I was just assuming you were twisting another story around. Do you actually have a direct point related to the skill to make, or is it another pointed at us personally?

Sile wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

Nerf range to 10-15 meters?

Also, at which point does it calculate the 20% extra damage from Magicka? Is it cumulative or multiplicative?

Yeah, 10m sounds spot on. The range of dizzying swing is 7m, so 3m bigger sounds perfect! FFS.

Calm down turbo. I did say between 10 and 15.

RD @15m still will get a range buff from the Assault passives, idk why you'd look to WB / DS someone when you could just bash them. I don't think the PvErs will QQ too much against losing 5m.

10-15 feels really short for a channel imo. I use Impale as my execute, and its range of 18m feels solid. That's probably as low as radiant's range could safely go.

My goal is simply to bring the skill within gap closer range. There is a hole in its counterplay where Templars can sit outside of that range and be unreachable by melee builds, protecting them from punishment if they enter the radiant channel at too high health where they don't kill the target.

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I can see your point @FENGRUSH

Your right Maulbeth + Reactive/Kags is a problem as well, but if they actually fix Malabeth you would find these Beam Templars would be far easier to kill then they are right now.

In the end i'd rather they fix the bugged Maulabeth set first, and then see how things play it. I got a feeling those Beam plars become significantly easier to kill when they don;t have these bugged sets propping them up, which is fair trade on the hard hitting but squishy balance.

In the end though, its really sad that such unbalanced sets like Malabeth have bene allowed to be broken for so long. I have seen it bug for some pretty ridiculous heals and that combined with Beam plars is a bit unbalanced, i'll give you that.

Easier, yes. Not easy though. Comparatively speaking still amongst the hardest to kill while providing great support and utility. I like their kit, it's balanced well on all fronts. Their sustain:effectiveness is an issue. Less their heals and more their ability to be a force to so many near or below 50% in such a short time while investing so little in it. Tanky dk, sorc, nb.. will not provide that level of threat and cant. The way this execute functions is different, and that's fine.. but players need time to react. If you can't give some time on the front end, Zos will end up destroying the skills numbers on raw damage.

Best to get on board with a reasonable outlook or the skill gets RIPd.

FFS. Sorc nb and dk even when tanky can still put pressure on people. All of haxus dps play tanky and can put pressure, most of them DK. Those classes may not often pressure YOUR build, but they can pressure other builds. Jesus beam is something i shrug off on my build, things that youd shrug off on yours pressure mine. Why is it so impossible for people to look beyond their own specific vulnerability when evaluating how OP something is?

Malubeth is not just a templar issue, in fact every stam build has just as much healing and can do just as much damage - just a different kind of damage. A skill should never be nerfed because a set is too strong.

Full of ***. Shrug off fighting someone while this is being spammed on you. Show a video. Your talk is cheap, as is anyones. A legitimate threat, not 2 potatos. Hell even a potato templar and a decent someone else.

Truth is, you cant do it. The second you get cced with dizzying swing or a CF connect your dead. during break free.

Zheg wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

FENGRUSH wrote: »

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

I can see your point @FENGRUSH

Your right Maulbeth + Reactive/Kags is a problem as well, but if they actually fix Malabeth you would find these Beam Templars would be far easier to kill then they are right now.

In the end i'd rather they fix the bugged Maulabeth set first, and then see how things play it. I got a feeling those Beam plars become significantly easier to kill when they don;t have these bugged sets propping them up, which is fair trade on the hard hitting but squishy balance.

In the end though, its really sad that such unbalanced sets like Malabeth have bene allowed to be broken for so long. I have seen it bug for some pretty ridiculous heals and that combined with Beam plars is a bit unbalanced, i'll give you that.

Easier, yes. Not easy though. Comparatively speaking still amongst the hardest to kill while providing great support and utility. I like their kit, it's balanced well on all fronts. Their sustain:effectiveness is an issue. Less their heals and more their ability to be a force to so many near or below 50% in such a short time while investing so little in it. Tanky dk, sorc, nb.. will not provide that level of threat and cant. The way this execute functions is different, and that's fine.. but players need time to react. If you can't give some time on the front end, Zos will end up destroying the skills numbers on raw damage.

Best to get on board with a reasonable outlook or the skill gets RIPd.

FFS. Sorc nb and dk even when tanky can still put pressure on people. All of haxus dps play tanky and can put pressure, most of them DK. Those classes may not often pressure YOUR build, but they can pressure other builds. Jesus beam is something i shrug off on my build, things that youd shrug off on yours pressure mine. Why is it so impossible for people to look beyond their own specific vulnerability when evaluating how OP something is?

Malubeth is not just a templar issue, in fact every stam build has just as much healing and can do just as much damage - just a different kind of damage. A skill should never be nerfed because a set is too strong.

Full of ***. Shrug off fighting someone while this is being spammed on you. Show a video. Your talk is cheap, as is anyones. A legitimate threat, not 2 potatos. Hell even a potato templar and a decent someone else.

Truth is, you cant do it. The second you get cced with dizzying swing or a CF connect your dead. during break free.

I fight all the time in the middle of big battles. I could be fighting someone and then have 2 jesus beams on me, unless I was already low on hp I can usually handle that without issue. Most of the decent templars I fight against in cyrodiil handle that same exact situation just fine. Templars have purify, burst heal, and some run shields. I can absolutely shrug off the jesus beam better than other builds can. Unless you're grossly outnumbered it's a great way to get resources back with harness magicka.

I'd also point out that you say 'no potatoes' well... almost everyone is complaining about the capacity for a potato to jesus beam them while they're outnumbered and ruining their fight. They are fighting potatoes.

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Mmeeee thiiinnksss yoooou duuuunnnoooo

Show everyone your leet ninja templar ways.

And not sure if you knew this but with 75% reduction, on top of normal midigation, it hits for 5-6k thru mistform. Thats hitting for 22k+ <30% health. Unless its just broke, which wouldnt suprise me.

Not trashin ya bro. Just dont think its possibe with rd in its current state.

@Zheg

Hmm let me put this in context before I go into detail. I run a mageblade build that relies on layering self-hots to survive, doesn't use dodge chance or cloak, and has much less damage and durability than a magplar in the same exact gear. I am more susceptible to healing debuffs than a magplar because I do not have your purify. I am more susceptible to burst damage that a magplar because I do not have your burst heal. I am more susceptible to being outnumbered and fired down on with anything than you as a magplar ever will be.

And I have like zero problem with snipe. It's a single dodgeable projectile with an audible warning, it has a long cast time in which some hot ticks or a single Honor can heal off 2 or 3 snipes worth of damage, and you can purify its healing debuff immediately. I can't purify it, and I still don't have nearly as much of an issue with snipe as I do beam.

Side note: I've never understood the "heal debuff them" argument against magplars. They have the best purge in the game, and it's instant cast. ritual

Anyways, about snipe specifically, in my opinion snipe isn't nearly as much of a threat as beam. Snipe deals less damage, is dodgeable, has a long cast time that (1) limits the amount of incoming damage and (2) gives it a pattern.

Patterns = counterplay. You can time shields to intercept snipes, absorbing some damage and preventing crits. You can roll dodge every other or third one or so without stacking the roll dodge cost. You can LoS a sniper with even a small tree, preventing him targeting you for moar snipes, whereas you have to completely conceal yourself behind terrain for 2 seconds before beam will break. You can in fact tap a quick block to catch the snipe without losing much stam because block costs are calculated per time spent blocking hits, not per attack intercepted. Wrobel explained this in his post regarding the removal of the Bracing passive. Your snb will make it even less costly for you than for me. Your point about blocking snipes alone shows me your lack of experience fighting against snipers while outnumbered. Bow users are everywhere these days, so can that be extrapolated out?

If I'm fighting, say, 3 other people and some pug comes along looking to pew pew me down with something, I'd much rather it be snipe or crushing shock or poison arrow or funnel or hard casted frags or the ranged dragonknight ability...ahem...or literally any other ability than beam. Speaking as one of the more successful solo players left running around these days...rip solo play...I'd stand by a claim that beam is the single most dangerous and hardest to deal with ranged non-ult ability to have spammed on you from long distance. This is partly because it hurts so badly -- it does respectable damage above 50% but then quickly ramps up in execute range. And this is partly because it lacks ways to punish the Beamtard or at least quickly break the beam -- it's an undodgeable channel that is stuck on you just waiting for the split second where are bursted to 40% health to sink its teeth into you, LoSing it doesn't work for 2 full seconds, and only Templars and nightblades have a class ability to break the beam.

Also a good time to point out that cloak is broken. Nightblades still using it at all are putting themselves at a distinct disadvantage. That may seem unintuitive at first, but I'll elaborate. VD bomb or gank stam nightblades use cloak on the approach. With heavy armor buffs, Hakeijo now widely available, Transmutation buffs, proxy nerfs, and groups generally growing in size, these nightblade play styles are significantly weaker than in recent patches, bordering futile. The exception to this is the token VD bombblade still in some larger groups, but having a group around them makes getting killing blows with burst way easier. Therefore, I argue that any meta-conscious and adapting nightblade who still uses cloak is using it in combat, but I t's broken in combat... With everything from dizzying swing to staff light attacks yanking out out of cloak, both the force miss and invisibility components are too inconsistent and busted to expect to get any benefit out of. With the buffs to mist form and changes to Fighter's Guild abilities, mist is just the better defensive tool. I poked at Blobs on his thread to test his thought process on this matter, but the truth is thoughtful nightblades have been giving up cloak since the winter. I haven't used it on either of my nightblades in forever.

But /rant

You proposed that any ranged ability, when spammed from far off, is comparably punishing to beam. I counter that that isn't the case because beam has inherently much less counterplay in the current patch than other ranged things. Between rolling and tapping block and much more reliable LoS for ranged projectiles and instant casts, that is just objectively true.

Counterplay to beam is focused in two class abilities, crushing shock, venom arrow, bashing, and LoS. Until they make LoSing break beam correctly, it's basically a nonfactor -- it's basically cutting down trees and through walls. One of the two class abilities is a burden on the bar. How many destro builds using crushing shock are even out there besides magicka sorc? My inner designer is yelling, "well just put it on your mageblade bar," but doing that renders destro mageblade gimped as hell. The bar is just too competitive. I wish jt weren't the case, but running CS isn't realistic. I can elaborate on exactly why if you wish. Magicka DK doesn't use destro these days, so should they be expected to just to counter radiant? Venom Arrow is a beautiful ability, and no bow user can complain about radiant since it exists. I absolutely love it on my stamblade.

That leaves bashing as the primary beam counterplay in the game. Beam is ranged. Bash is melee. Therefore to bash, most players need to gap close to the Templar. However, beam's range makes this impossible in many cases. It's a huge loophole in the counterplay for the skill, so I call for a mere reduction in range to place beamers within gap close range.

What are the implications of this? Well, if a Templar beams a target, he had better shoot to kill or risk getting gap closed to and bashed as priority enemy #1. If the target is beamed at an appropriate health within execute range, he'll likely die. Fine. If the target in execute range manages to heal or shield up, get to the beamer, and bash him, well then the target played well and earned his interrupt!

If the target is beamed at high health from the start, then he should likewise be gap closed to, bashed, and attacked as punishment. Right now, radiant's massive range allows bad Templars to lazily beam targets who are already in combat without shouldering any of the risk that was designed into this powerful ability. I'm not ok with that.

And I'm also not proofreading all of this. Cheers.

maxjapank wrote: »

Sile wrote: »

Nerf range to 10-15 meters?

No. Absolutely not. Must be at least equal distance to gap closers. I'll not settle for anything shorter with it being a channel.

I'd be 100% satisfied with that if Reach and stuff do not apply to make it exceed gap closer range ever.