Heem Jas and Velendirith Set buff is too Strong @ PVP

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Velidreth proc chance is fine. Other sets like Maw or Bogdan should have their proc chance increased because they are complete crap atm.
Reducing the proc chance on Velidreth would just make it another generic monster set with no real use.

Exactly. Old monster sets need to stay relevant so that there's a big variety, instead of making some sets so useless, like Maw/Bogdan.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Hmmm 3 seconds? nah, I can block an Emp's damage for longer than 3 seconds but if it's increased by 25% then just dodge roll and LoS until it runs out. I wouldn't exactly say it'll be OP, but we'll see.

There is no cooldown and effect is based on nearby enemy die, it's not tgat you killed an enemy..

This set is beast in PVP group fights. Templars radiant destruction (set is not intended for Magicka users though). NB incapstating strike, dawn breaker buff with this damage can be very strong..

Molag_Crow · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Hmmm 3 seconds? nah, I can block an Emp's damage for longer than 3 seconds but if it's increased by 25% then just dodge roll and LoS until it runs out. I wouldn't exactly say it'll be OP, but we'll see.

There is no cooldown and effect is based on nearby enemy die, it's not tgat you killed an enemy..

This set is beast in PVP group fights. Templars radiant destruction.nb incapacitatig strike buff with this damage can be very strong..

Hmm yes that's quite OP then if it procs off nearby deaths, but then think about it, 3 seconds isn't that long and if they manage to wipe out a nearby group, that 3 seconds won't last long enough for them to charge on forward into another group/zerg etc, I guess. We'll have to find out when it's officially live just to see if many wear it like the whole Vicious Death hype phase lol.

Hellbender27 · July 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:
Damage shield duration

Stamina regeneration when blocking

Dodge roll cost increase

Streak cost increase

Certain item sets

This ........... yes no more PVE nerfs in favor of PVP either divide the sets or make Impen more of a defining trait for PVP to help divide the sets or something.? ideas welcome..

Jaronking · July 2016

Kammakazi wrote: »

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:
Damage shield duration

Stamina regeneration when blocking

Dodge roll cost increase

Streak cost increase

Certain item sets

Lol 1,3,5 have nothing to do with PVP.Also all of these sets are made for PVE only since you can only get them by doing Dungeons in a DLc.So not really ruining sets.

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

So with that heem has set. Although not ideal. Magika DK, with that elegant and molten that's an 85% increase in heavy attack power?

Roll with a zerg and just hold a heavy lit staff attack? Get lucky with the aoe and fry 3 at once.

Seems op to me.

Elegent set is very harder to farm, comparing these new sets which can be obtainable from new dungeon. As dungeon is acceible via Group Finder and can make several trips in a day..

Since Elegant V16 release trying to farm on PS4 but still not have one..

I'm on ps4, I'll give you a set. i''ve been getting so much of it I just sell it noe unless it's in divines. whats your psn?

Phinix1 · July 2016

Not that my stam sorc isn't happy, but three DLC in a row favoriting stamina now?

How very odd.

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

no it's not. velendrith you can hit 1 tget for 10k every 10 seconds, viper I can hit 9k every 4 sec.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

So with that heem has set. Although not ideal. Magika DK, with that elegant and molten that's an 85% increase in heavy attack power?

Roll with a zerg and just hold a heavy lit staff attack? Get lucky with the aoe and fry 3 at once.

Seems op to me.

Elegent set is very harder to farm, comparing these new sets which can be obtainable from new dungeon. As dungeon is acceible via Group Finder and can make several trips in a day..

Since Elegant V16 release trying to farm on PS4 but still not have one..

I'm on ps4, I'll give you a set. i''ve been getting so much of it I just sell it noe unless it's in divines. whats your psn?

My PSN NA ID : lord_stonner

I am now a days on a break, will give you a message to get this set badly. Please message me set price

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

So with that heem has set. Although not ideal. Magika DK, with that elegant and molten that's an 85% increase in heavy attack power?

Roll with a zerg and just hold a heavy lit staff attack? Get lucky with the aoe and fry 3 at once.

Seems op to me.

Elegent set is very harder to farm, comparing these new sets which can be obtainable from new dungeon. As dungeon is acceible via Group Finder and can make several trips in a day..

Since Elegant V16 release trying to farm on PS4 but still not have one..

I'm on ps4, I'll give you a set. i''ve been getting so much of it I just sell it noe unless it's in divines. whats your psn?

My PSN NA ID : lord_stonner

I am now a days on a break, will give you a message to get this set badly. Please message me set price

just sent over some stuff,, I can send more if you nees. don't worry about price it's free.

Mojmir · July 2016

that veld set is a dawnbreaker style hit,only in front of you

Makkir · July 2016

Can't you just move out of the way of the poison spores from Velendirith Set ???????

RAGUNAnoOne · July 2016

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

arkansas_ESO · July 2016

Wollust wrote: »

Magicka has Vicious Death, Stamina gets Heem Ja.

They shouldn't have the same stuff, there needs to be variety between the two. Magic's already been nerfed a lot, let them keep Vicious Death and don't give stam Heem Ja.

arkansas_ESO · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Yes buff is too strong, Heem Jas especially! 5 piece buff is too much in PVP, in groups fights or emperors are gonna soo much overpower with this set.

It would be much better, if this set can be tweaked for magica players as well so both can benifit it or please add 10 second cool down affect to this set.

Valendirith set proc chance should be reduced to 5 to 10 percent to match with other monster sets. Or damage to be Dodge able..

Seem like, Developers are more baised towards stamina DPS builds and giving too much damage buff.

mhmm, mhmm, yup. mhmm

guess that's why only magica classes benefit from the new foods comming out, and have nerien'eth/skoria, aether, healing mage (oh you'll see), and elegent.

these ermagerd! sensationalist qq nonsense threads are starting to get exhausting.

Guess that's why magicka got a nerf to proxy det, a nerf to shield duration, a nerf to nirnhoned, and losing Dawnbreaker to stamina. Stam's definitely got the edge in a lot of situations, and, honestly, with the exception of magic templar, stam is better than mag period at the moment.

Phinix1 · July 2016

Stam also has a huge edge in gear accessibility. Most of their top tier stuff can be crafted/bought from guild traders.

Magicka has to grind their brains out for 4 months to maybe get 5 prosperous set pieces. XD

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

Waffennacht · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

What? His complaint is Kena has 1 peice bonus to increase magicka and stam, this set is another one piece bonus. Mathematically this means a stam can have one more bonus over a magicka build having the same amount of armor.

The other armor sets you mentioned require two peices for one bonus.

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

my stamplar runs 5.4k wd without velindreth. you won't see me running it either. oh yes, 258 wd. so incredible >.>

if you're at 3k

my wd without ANY selfbuffs is 4670 with 36k max stam.

the fact you think magica is getting left behind for a measly pos 258 wd shows how little you actually know about OP builds. I got 44 sec bloodspawn xD

also, no matter how you look at it, I'd have to give up something more useful for that tiny speck of wd.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

my stamplar runs 5.4k wd without velindreth. you won't see me running it either. oh yes, 258 wd. so incredible >.>

if you're at 3k

my wd without ANY selfbuffs is 4670 with 36k max stam.

the fact you think magica is getting left behind for a measly pos 258 wd shows how little you actually know about OP builds. I got 44 sec bloodspawn xD

4670 weapon damage without buff..wow..

Stamina is really overpowered..spell damage is a way very harder to increase after 3000 (without buff)..

Waffennacht · July 2016

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

my stamplar runs 5.4k wd without velindreth. you won't see me running it either. oh yes, 258 wd. so incredible >.>

if you're at 3k

my wd without ANY selfbuffs is 4670 with 36k max stam.

the fact you think magica is getting left behind for a measly pos 258 wd shows how little you actually know about OP builds. I got 44 sec bloodspawn xD

4670 weapon damage without buff..wow..

Stamina is really overpowered..spell damage is a way very harder to increase after 3000 (without buff)..

Absolutely agree. 4000 spell damage unbuffed? Hard to do! Maybe with NO regen etc... maybe...

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

my stamplar runs 5.4k wd without velindreth. you won't see me running it either. oh yes, 258 wd. so incredible >.>

if you're at 3k

my wd without ANY selfbuffs is 4670 with 36k max stam.

the fact you think magica is getting left behind for a measly pos 258 wd shows how little you actually know about OP builds. I got 44 sec bloodspawn xD

4670 weapon damage without buff..wow..

Stamina is really overpowered..spell damage is a way very harder to increase after 3000 (without buff)..

Absolutely agree. 4000 spell damage unbuffed? Hard to do! Maybe with NO regen etc... maybe...

it is VERY important to understand that weapon/spell dmg is half your tooltip value. for stamina it's about weapon power, for magica max magica is the big thing. friend has 48k ,ax magica on his nb, that's equal to !4900k spell d,g.

for those of you who aren't well informed and need to whistle blow every false alarm you can come up with, let me tell you about a very old setup i use in pvp.

i use 3 [piece healing ,mage, vet 14, enemies hit within my healing radius have their weapon d,g reduced by 350. they are buffing this next update and comes in armour/weapons.

I use 5pc light armour nightmother's gaze,. so spamming caltrops/healing springs in pvp wrecks your wd/resist and oh let's not forget it's a weapon ability, so it procs my poisons that drain stamina/weapon d,mg.

oh, yeah, let's not forget about the new food magica users get. max health/magica/stam regen

and yoj all pick the garbage sets that look shiny to qq all over?

facepalming prettt hard right now.

Vaoh · July 2016

Jaronking wrote: »

Kammakazi wrote: »

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:
Damage shield duration

Stamina regeneration when blocking

Dodge roll cost increase

Streak cost increase

Certain item sets

Lol 1,3,5 have nothing to do with PVP.Also all of these sets are made for PVE only since you can only get them by doing Dungeons in a DLc.So not really ruining sets.

Destruent · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

no it's not. velendrith you can hit 1 tget for 10k every 10 seconds, viper I can hit 9k every 4 sec.

Viper tooltip is 6.5k on live for me, the velidreth-tooltip shows 13k. So it's double the value for burst. But it's possible that CP are already factored in. This would change values a bit around

Ep1kMalware · July 2016

Destruent wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

no it's not. velendrith you can hit 1 tget for 10k every 10 seconds, viper I can hit 9k every 4 sec.

Viper tooltip is 6.5k on live for me, the velidreth-tooltip shows 13k. So it's double the value for burst. But it's possible that CP are already factored in. This would change values a bit around

even still, imagine stamplar running skoria/viper instead of velindreth. for anh sustained d,g that's alot of extra burst dmg. velindreth just pales in comparison.

Kammakazi · July 2016

I'm just saying that whenever PvP kiddies whine about something, they ruin said ability/passive/item for EVERYBODY ELSE

Destruent · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Destruent wrote: »

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

no it's not. velendrith you can hit 1 tget for 10k every 10 seconds, viper I can hit 9k every 4 sec.

Viper tooltip is 6.5k on live for me, the velidreth-tooltip shows 13k. So it's double the value for burst. But it's possible that CP are already factored in. This would change values a bit around

even still, imagine stamplar running skoria/viper instead of velindreth. for anh sustained d,g that's alot of extra burst dmg. velindreth just pales in comparison.

You can combine viper + velindreth for even more burst than viper/skoria. All my calculations are without any CP. So if you start comparing with Skoria, you have to factor in CP for velindreth. This will make velindreth stronger compared to skoria.
I don't think it's too strong, just pointing out what it is able to do

Btw. Skoria-Tooltip is lower than velindreth and it has a lower procchance. No way to get more burst out of it.

Lord_Eomer · July 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

RAGUNAnoOne wrote: »

I'm more concerned with the ONE PIECE WEAPON DAMAGE. The balance is already skewed towards stamina when that comes out...

like we don't already have that in the game >.> what about lekies, druegh king, agility, kena
, nightmother's, ashen grip...

l2p

Yes there was only 1 piece giving damage bonus and thats Ken a and now stamina builds have another one piece damage which is Velendirith. So 2 piece will give insane 258 damage nearly 5 piece set bonus = hunting rage (300 dmg)

Just wow..so now we can see up to 4k - 4.5k damage builds..also thanks to fighter guid, Templar passive and sorcerer passives buff..

Magicka is a way left behind..

my stamplar runs 5.4k wd without velindreth. you won't see me running it either. oh yes, 258 wd. so incredible >.>

if you're at 3k

my wd without ANY selfbuffs is 4670 with 36k max stam.

the fact you think magica is getting left behind for a measly pos 258 wd shows how little you actually know about OP builds. I got 44 sec bloodspawn xD

4670 weapon damage without buff..wow..

Stamina is really overpowered..spell damage is a way very harder to increase after 3000 (without buff)..

Absolutely agree. 4000 spell damage unbuffed? Hard to do! Maybe with NO regen etc... maybe...

it is VERY important to understand that weapon/spell dmg is half your tooltip value. for stamina it's about weapon power, for magica max magica is the big thing. friend has 48k ,ax magica on his nb, that's equal to !4900k spell d,g.

for those of you who aren't well informed and need to whistle blow every false alarm you can come up with, let me tell you about a very old setup i use in pvp.

i use 3 [piece healing ,mage, vet 14, enemies hit within my healing radius have their weapon d,g reduced by 350. they are buffing this next update and comes in armour/weapons.

I use 5pc light armour nightmother's gaze,. so spamming caltrops/healing springs in pvp wrecks your wd/resist and oh let's not forget it's a weapon ability, so it procs my poisons that drain stamina/weapon d,mg.

oh, yeah, let's not forget about the new food magica users get. max health/magica/stam regen

and yoj all pick the garbage sets that look shiny to qq all over?

facepalming prettt hard right now.

Stamina sorcerers can still take stamina to highest level and easier to hit 40-44k..

Weapon damage crosses spell damage a way long back..

juhasman · July 2016

Widowmaker+ Hem Jas can give nice results on Steel tornado or reverse slice spam in groups confrontations.. But that's just theory can prove it before update comes on live like many other theories.