Heem Jas and Velendirith Set buff is too Strong @ PVP

Lord_Eomer

Yes buff is too strong, Heem Jas especially! 5 piece buff is too much in PVP, in groups fights or emperors are gonna soo much overpower with this set.

It would be much better, if this set can be tweaked for magica players as well so both can benifit it or please add 10 second cool down affect to this set.

Valendirith set proc chance should be reduced to 5 to 10 percent to match with other monster sets. Or damage to be Dodge able..

Seem like, Developers are more baised towards stamina DPS builds and giving too much damage buff.

BruhItsOver9000

What do the sets do, can you post a pic.

Lord_Eomer

BruhItsOver9000 wrote: »

What do the sets do, can you post a pic.

@BruhItsOver9000

Added..

Kammakazi

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:

• Damage shield duration
• Stamina regeneration when blocking
• Dodge roll cost increase
• Streak cost increase
• Certain item sets

Vangy

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Where's my stamina VD? Or my stamina Valkyns? Major berserk when someone dies for 3 seconds is hardly OP lol. And Amberplasm is going to be an insane magicka set. Im def gona run that with kags on my magplar.

Velidreth isnt OP either. It spawns 3 spores but only 1 can hit 1 target. The other 2 would require different targets. Still not going to be good as VD in group/zerg play but at least now stamina has some decent AOE other than steel nado or bombard which is just used to perma snare people. (I hate the snare btw).

mistermutiny89

There's enough that's dodge able in Pvp as it is.

Lord_Eomer

Kammakazi wrote: »

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:

• Damage shield duration
• Stamina regeneration when blocking
• Dodge roll cost increase
• Streak cost increase
• Certain item sets

PVE is always easier, PVP need more challenges and further expanision..

I was only a fan of PVE till not started visiting Cyrodil..

Lord_Eomer

Vangy wrote: »

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Where's my stamina VD? Or my stamina Valkyns? Major berserk when someone dies for 3 seconds is hardly OP lol. And Amberplasm is going to be an insane magicka set. Im def gona run that with kags on my magplar.

Velidreth isnt OP either. It spawns 3 spores but only 1 can hit 1 target. The other 2 would require different targets. Still not going to be good as VD in group/zerg play but at least now stamina has some decent AOE other than steel nado or bombard which is just used to perma snare people. (I hate the snare btw).

Lol, when someone dies nearby increase damage by 25% for 3 sec with no cooldown is huge buff in PVP group fights or for an emperor..

Not sure if you are doing pvp or not, this set is not that great for PVE as for PVP..if you hit 8k in PVP so on next hit u are gonna hit 10k instead l..it's powerful for stamina dps. In PVP groups everywhere players are dying..it's huge for stamina NB dps..

Amberplasm is for sustain builds not for Burst dps. Healer may take advantage but not very useful for burst DPS build..

Velidreth 2 piece effect and 20% chance to proc is very stronger than other monster sets..

Wollust

Magicka has Vicious Death, Stamina gets Heem Ja.
And Velidreth is not that strong actually due to the spawns flying in straight lines from the user and not target locked on the enemy.

Vangy

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Vangy wrote: »

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Where's my stamina VD? Or my stamina Valkyns? Major berserk when someone dies for 3 seconds is hardly OP lol. And Amberplasm is going to be an insane magicka set. Im def gona run that with kags on my magplar.

Velidreth isnt OP either. It spawns 3 spores but only 1 can hit 1 target. The other 2 would require different targets. Still not going to be good as VD in group/zerg play but at least now stamina has some decent AOE other than steel nado or bombard which is just used to perma snare people. (I hate the snare btw).

Lol, when someone dies nearby increase damage by 25% for 3 sec with no cooldown is huge buff in PVP group fights or for an emperor..

Not sure if you are doing pvp or not, this set is not that great for PVE as for PVP..if you hit 8k in PVP so on next hit u are gonna hit 10k instead l..it's powerful for stamina dps. In PVP groups everywhere players are dying..it's huge for stamina NB dps..

Amberplasm is for sustain builds not for Burst dps. Healer may take advantage but not very useful for burst DPS build..

Velidreth 2 piece effect and 20% chance to proc is very stronger than other monster sets..

And a VD/proxy/ult combo with an emperor isnt? Have u tried using this set on PTS? U ask me if i even PvP, so let me ask you, have you even tried the sets or is this a theoretical whine post? (and 80% of my time in ESO is spent PvP-ing so yes I do pvp)....

Yes amberplasm is a great sustain set. For burst just go VD with proxy + batswarm or meteor etc? There's still kena and clevelr alchemist on back bar for burst... There's no need for any more burst sets in this game.....

Velidreth is going to be about 20%* 10k = 2000 DPS. If all 3 spores hit, then it will be about 6k (split between 3 targets). Still nowhere near as good as a sweet sweet VD + proxy proc but it does help stamina AOE which is kinda lacking at the moment. Again, I get the feeling that this thread is QQ and you havent even tried these sets out. I havent tried the heem-jas but can any1 confirm the range on the proc for this set? If its some ridiculous small range then this set is worthless.

Ep1kMalware

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Yes buff is too strong, Heem Jas especially! 5 piece buff is too much in PVP, in groups fights or emperors are gonna soo much overpower with this set.

It would be much better, if this set can be tweaked for magica players as well so both can benifit it or please add 10 second cool down affect to this set.

Valendirith set proc chance should be reduced to 5 to 10 percent to match with other monster sets. Or damage to be Dodge able..

Seem like, Developers are more baised towards stamina DPS builds and giving too much damage buff.

mhmm, mhmm, yup. mhmm

guess that's why only magica classes benefit from the new foods comming out, and have nerien'eth/skoria, aether, healing mage (oh you'll see), and elegent.

these ermagerd! sensationalist qq nonsense threads are starting to get exhausting.

DRXHarbinger

So with that heem has set. Although not ideal. Magika DK, with that elegant and molten that's an 85% increase in heavy attack power?

Roll with a zerg and just hold a heavy lit staff attack? Get lucky with the aoe and fry 3 at once.

Seems op to me.

Lord_Eomer

Wollust wrote: »

Magicka has Vicious Death, Stamina gets Heem Ja.
And Velidreth is not that strong actually due to the spawns flying in straight lines from the user and not target locked on the enemy.

Vicious is bad joke, even rarely proc as intended. I tired my self several times getting AP but his set is hardly proc after DB update.

It's seems like broken set..

There is no exclusive magicka DPS monster set currently strong as comparing Velidreth, Kena even used by stamina it's not only for Magicka..

Lord_Eomer

DRXHarbinger wrote: »

So with that heem has set. Although not ideal. Magika DK, with that elegant and molten that's an 85% increase in heavy attack power?

Roll with a zerg and just hold a heavy lit staff attack? Get lucky with the aoe and fry 3 at once.

Seems op to me.

Elegent set is very harder to farm, comparing these new sets which can be obtainable from new dungeon. As dungeon is acceible via Group Finder and can make several trips in a day..

Since Elegant V16 release trying to farm on PS4 but still not have one..

SanTii.92

Have you actually tested thus sets op, do you know the required range for haam jez to proc?

Also, there is already a thread about this exactly on the pts sub, no need for another one.

Lord_Eomer

sAnn92 wrote: »

Have you actually tested thus sets op, do you know the required range for haam jez to proc?

Also, there is already a thread about this exactly on the pts sub, no need for another one.

Not sure exactly about range, it does not matter is close fights.

i created in general forum to give more awareness to people who are not visiting PTS thread as mostly PC PTS users are visiting.

Vangy

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magicka has Vicious Death, Stamina gets Heem Ja.
And Velidreth is not that strong actually due to the spawns flying in straight lines from the user and not target locked on the enemy.

Vicious is bad joke, even rarely proc as intended. I tired my self several times getting AP but his set is hardly proc after DB update.

It's seems like broken set..

There is no exclusive magicka DPS monster set currently strong as comparing Velidreth, Kena even used by stamina it's not only for Magicka..

Uhm.... Nerneith? Valkyns? The velidreths set is capped with damage to 3 targets at max. The spores are not AOE. So in a 1v1, you'd get about 2k DPS and in group situations, you can get max 6k extra DPS. If 3 targets get hit by 3 different spores. Ner and valkyn's are very comparable to velidreths imo. Again, have you tested velidreths or is this just a theoretical complaint thread?

Leandor

On Velidreth:

Has anyone tested this already? If yes, could that person please provide answers to:

• Where do the spores spawn, at wearer's location or at target's location?
• How do they move, straight line or do they follow? Also are they spreading or all moving straight ahead?
• How fast are they moving?
• Can one target be hit with all three and is the tooltip damage one spore or all three together?

Cronopoly

Leandor wrote: »

On Velidreth:

Has anyone tested this already? If yes, could that person please provide answers to:

• Where do the spores spawn, at wearer's location or at target's location?
• How do they move, straight line or do they follow? Also are they spreading or all moving straight ahead?
• How fast are they moving?
• Can one target be hit with all three and is the tooltip damage one spore or all three together?

Check Alcasts video specifically to your questions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=td3HO4pTDGw

Leandor

@jwilkins66ub17_ESO
Thanks, that answers all

Lord_Eomer

Vangy wrote: »

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Magicka has Vicious Death, Stamina gets Heem Ja.
And Velidreth is not that strong actually due to the spawns flying in straight lines from the user and not target locked on the enemy.

Vicious is bad joke, even rarely proc as intended. I tired my self several times getting AP but his set is hardly proc after DB update.

It's seems like broken set..

There is no exclusive magicka DPS monster set currently strong as comparing Velidreth, Kena even used by stamina it's not only for Magicka..

Uhm.... Nerneith? Valkyns? The velidreths set is capped with damage to 3 targets at max. The spores are not AOE. So in a 1v1, you'd get about 2k DPS and in group situations, you can get max 6k extra DPS. If 3 targets get hit by 3 different spores. Ner and valkyn's are very comparable to velidreths imo. Again, have you tested velidreths or is this just a theoretical complaint thread?

20% chance to proc is too high comparing others as Neridith is 10% and Valkyns is 6%..there is no cooldown either and i am seeing many spores in PVP. There is no doubt effect is powerful due to higher chance.

My concern is very clear about proc higher chance..testing myself on PTS does not matter..

Also 1 piece gives weapon damage now stamina dps can use 2 set piece to get twice damage buff comparing Magicka users who can only use Kena for 1 one piece damage.

Even Magicka have no recovery single piece.

Destruent

You know, that there is a 10 second cooldown? Skoria has 5 seconds, nerieneth has 3 seconds i belive. I guess it will be a bit stronger than those two sets, but i don't think it will be OP.

Regarding PvP DPS will be nowhere near 2k DPS
13k Tooltip, cut in half bc of battle spirit -->6.5k
10 Seconds Cooldown --> 650 DPS

Full mitigation + block + impen and low crit dmg (or no crits) -->~160 DPS
no mitigation, no impen, high crit-dmg (2x...i gues much more is not realistic in pvp), 100% critchance -->1.3k DPS

So it'll range between 160 DPS and 1.3k DPS. I didn't factor in CP, but you can increase/decrease the damage by 25% with mighty/hardy i think. This would change the number a bit, but doesn't make it OP.

Draxys

Kammakazi wrote: »

List of things PvP ruined for PvE:

• Damage shield duration
• Stamina regeneration when blocking
• Dodge roll cost increase
• Streak cost increase
• Certain item sets

You're confusing "PvP" with "idiots that complained instead of learning game mechanics". It's Zos' fault for being weak and catering to those players; the "us versus them", retaliatory type agenda helps nothing.

Lord_Eomer

Destruent wrote: »

You know, that there is a 10 second cooldown? Skoria has 5 seconds, nerieneth has 3 seconds i belive. I guess it will be a bit stronger than those two sets, but i don't think it will be OP.

Regarding PvP DPS will be nowhere near 2k DPS
13k Tooltip, cut in half bc of battle spirit -->6.5k
10 Seconds Cooldown --> 650 DPS

Full mitigation + block + impen and low crit dmg (or no crits) -->~160 DPS
no mitigation, no impen, high crit-dmg (2x...i gues much more is not realistic in pvp), 100% critchance -->1.3k DPS

So it'll range between 160 DPS and 1.3k DPS. I didn't factor in CP, but you can increase/decrease the damage by 25% with mighty/hardy i think. This would change the number a bit, but doesn't make it OP.

Yea cooldown there but proc chances are a way too much to trigger. You know how major evision proc in pvp, it only increases dodge chances by 20% but every couple of spells missed on target.. Regarding cooldown it was for Heem Jas.

1 piece buff is straight away very good for stamina users

Regarding Heem Jas,

Incapacitating Strike normally hit hard in PVP and gives 20% damage buff and with this set u can really hit around 16-18k

I know about battle spirt affect, Dawn Breaker can cause soo much damage with this 25% buff..there is no cooldown for this set either..

Jaronking

None of those sets are useful in PVE crated Sets are better plus None drop in impen so its kinda not worth to really use.

Destruent

I calculated with one procc every 10 seconds....so how is 160 to 1.3k DPS considered OP? Proccchance doesn't matter that much in this case, even if it would be 100%, DPS wouldn't increase in my calculations.

Can't really comment on the other set....too situational imo and noone seems to know the exact proccconditions and it's range.

Lord_Eomer

Destruent wrote: »

I calculated with one procc every 10 seconds....so how is 160 to 1.3k DPS considered OP? Proccchance doesn't matter that much in this case, even if it would be 100%, DPS wouldn't increase in my calculations.

Can't really comment on the other set....too situational imo and noone seems to know the exact proccconditions and it's range.

This set will cause burst damage to single target no DOT, in PVP it can be situationally very good (fighting tougher opponents DK, Templars etc.) also 1 piece buff is same as Kena but without spell damage..

Destruent

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

Lord_Eomer

Destruent wrote: »

Yep, burst is double the value from viperset, but you have a high chance (80%) to not get this burst. DPS of both sets is about the same.

I have builds based on Viper sting set and yes it's very powerful especially for Stamina NB.

If these spores are Dodgeable, I may have higher chance not get this burst damage but Magicka users also have very limited dodges untill to dry out stamina..

If this set also gives 1 piece spell damage then at least both Magicka and stamina can benifit.

Wollust

Velidreth proc chance is fine. Other sets like Maw or Bogdan should have their proc chance increased because they are complete crap atm.
Reducing the proc chance on Velidreth would just make it another generic monster set with no real use.

Molag_Crow

Hmmm 3 seconds? nah, I can block an Emp's damage for longer than 3 seconds but if it's increased by 25% then just dodge roll and LoS until it runs out. I wouldn't exactly say it'll be OP, but we'll see.