Khajit Nimble Passive Rollback
Lord_Eomer
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This poll is to understand sudden descion of developers to rollback nimble passive change (stamina buff reversed back to Health Recovery). Please try to be a good contributor instead to be a troller..
Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 8, 2016 4:20PM Khajit Nimble Passive Rollback 179 votes
Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistake
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80 votes
QQ on forum change descion of Developers
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30 votes
Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passive
23%
42 votes
Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buff
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15 votes
Other (explaination)
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12 votes
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RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (explaination)Khajiit needs a buff in pvp, and this stam change was good. But on a pve perspective, this change was unbalanced for the already best pve stamina race.
Khajiit still need something, but purely pvp related. Perhaps a boost to health recovery base value, in order to maximize nimble's effect without hitting pve ?4 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passive
http://youtu.be/x7INTjEh3-g Edited by Rohamad_Ali on July 8, 2016 4:31PM3 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passiveZOS based their racial changes on the least played races. And then based their decision to revert said changes based on community feedback-- a community that doesn't play Khajiits. OFC, the community wanted the changes reverted. Heaven forbid, the race we don't play is strong.6 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffKhajiit needs a buff in pvp, and this stam change was good. But on a pve perspective, this change was unbalanced for the already best pve stamina race.
Khajiit still need something, but purely pvp related. Perhaps a boost to health recovery base value, in order to maximize nimble's effect without hitting pve ?
Health buff (recovery or healh value increase) always making khajit a tanky race..
It's better to give peneteration bonus instead of critical chance or give them some sort of resistance passive or maintain 10% health recovery with 3% stamina buff..stamina buff was ok but too many complaints are example of bad change from developer..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 8, 2016 4:33PM2 -
Junkogen✭✭✭✭✭QQ on forum change descion of DevelopersThe_Outsider wrote: »ZOS based their racial changes on the least played races. And then based their decision to revert said changes based on community feedback-- a community that doesn't play Khajiits. OFC, the community wanted the changes reverted. Heaven forbid, the race we don't play is strong.
The thing is, none of the racial changes have changed anything really. Some got minimally better, but the top choices are still the top choices. They really haven't done much in the way of balancing considering this update is focused on racial passives.4 -
RoyJade✭✭✭✭✭
✭Other (explaination)Well, my idea is to reduce greatly racial effect, but I know not a lot of people will like such a change. Khajiit critical bonus is already too strong in comparison with a race without stam passive. But that's the same for altmer, dunmer, breton…
In my opinion, the racial effect should be weak, in order to give us a tiny bonus without really needing the race in order to be competitive. The non-combat passive is a great one for diversity and lore, the resistance passives are good too, but the damage one are too much in this meta. Khajiit don't need more stamina if no other race have a great advantage with their stamina pool bonuses.
And for those who think that lore should apply some big unbalance, I remind them one of the greatest mage in all Tamriel is a nord, a race without any magicka affinity. Races give some capacities, not an overall domination.
But as I said, such a change would be a major one, and a lot of players won't like it. And I can understand why.
By the way, for the "tanking" axe khajiit have, I can say the same for orc : offensive bonuses, health regen and now more health received, they have some hybrid bonuses too. That's not really a problem, if they can achieve both roles without too much problem. But some are far stronger than them, so they can't compete very well. That's the main problem.1 -
Akimbro✭✭✭✭Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistakeIn PVE, this change was unnecessary. Khajiits were already the strongest stamina DPS class, with sustain aside.
In PVP, however, it was a small change that was justified, thought maybe not necessarily needed.
ALACRITY Emperors united RIP
LAST PRODIGIES World first SO clear RIP
The last egg in the carton.4 -
Dagoth_Rac✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭In PVE, this change was unnecessary. Khajiits were already the strongest stamina DPS class, with sustain aside.
In PVP, however, it was a small change that was justified, thought maybe not necessarily needed.
The increased damage from stealth that Khajiit have is a good PvP racial passive that is weak in PvE. So I think it is an unusual intra-race balance, but it is a kind of balance where Khajiit have one passive that is better in PvP than PvE and one passive that is better in PvE than PvP.
But +crit% is just about universally useful in PvE whereas +damage from stealth is still situational in PvP (unless you are completely focused on some Khajiit Nightblade gank build that is constantly attacking from stealth).0 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffDagoth_Rac wrote: »In PVE, this change was unnecessary. Khajiits were already the strongest stamina DPS class, with sustain aside.
In PVP, however, it was a small change that was justified, thought maybe not necessarily needed.
The increased damage from stealth that Khajiit have is a good PvP racial passive that is weak in PvE. So I think it is an unusual intra-race balance, but it is a kind of balance where Khajiit have one passive that is better in PvP than PvE and one passive that is better in PvE than PvP.
But +crit% is just about universally useful in PvE whereas +damage from stealth is still situational in PvP (unless you are completely focused on some Khajiit Nightblade gank build that is constantly attacking from stealth).
Khajit critical buff is causing big roars, why not swap with Redguard 10% stamina buff?
Or better replace wih peneteration buff..
Any race can get easily 70% critical buff for PVE, NB can even take it to 75-80%..
I do not see it's a big hit for khajit instead this race is missing good improvements...Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 8, 2016 6:17PM0 -
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✭Other (explaination)Irrelevant, play how you want. You might not end up "the best" but the more you know about your class and how to maximize the potential of what you've rolled the better you'll do overall and that's fine in most cases.1 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffShadesofkin wrote: »Irrelevant, play how you want. You might not end up "the best" but the more you know about your class and how to maximize the potential of what you've rolled the better you'll do overall and that's fine in most cases.
I do not agree, max stats affects your DPS and survival during combat.
If it's irrelevant then why there was a huge buzz across forums to remove Khajit Stamina Buff?
I wanted khajit improvements but very disappointed with rollback descion..and will replace by another race..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 8, 2016 6:32PM1 -
GreenSoup2HoT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffI probably would of changed to Khajjit from Imperial if the change was not rolled back. More discussion as to why in spoiler (Warning wall of text).I've debated weather i should change race or not. Why? Well for a couple of reason's. I rolled an Imperial during the console release and bought the Imperial Edition. Since i bought the Imperial Edition, i just picked it up straight away without any real knowledge of how impactful racial passives would be in End-Game.
After a year of playing i have found what i enjoy most about Eso and that is playing the rogue role in pvp. Some of you may hate me for it but that it was i enjoy. I don't care about PvE, i don't care about vMA, i don't care about dueling or anything like that (anyone who knows me could back that up). When i have time to play, i jump in pvp and sneak around and kill players. That is what i do. You do not need maelstrom weapons or monster sets for an optimal ganking setup. After Clever Alchemist came out, you can now wear 2 5 piece sets which makes it even easier for me to play the way i like.
Now Imperials are a decent ganking race. 10% extra stamina for a stamina build is very significant. 10.5 stamina roughly equals 1 damage, so i do get quiet a boost in damage potenail with this passive. The health passive is also nice because it means im rolling around with 22k health instead of say 16-19k compared to other races. The only issue i have with Imperial is that Red Diamond is very lack luster since it is so RNG based. Unlike Redguard's Adrenaline rush, you can't control it. This is one reason i've considered race change.
Now there are 2 race's i've considered to change to because of 1 specific racial passive. The "stealthy" passive. This 100% benefits how i like to play. All though, i'm not very fond of being a Kitty or an Elf. I kind of wish i could switch my Red Diamond passive for something else.
Overall, i probably would of race changed to a Khajiit because of the 7% max stamina change. It was to good to be true and it did fit my play-style. Khajiits in my opinion also make the most appealing looking Vampires since they just turn into white kittys rather then being ugly like humanoid races.
This change has been reverted so i'll probably stick to Imperial for now. All though, there are a lot of bugs with ability's in game (most note-able cloak breaking from dot's) which has stopped me from playing ESO. I hope they get fixed soon.
If anyone spent the time to read this, well thanks.Edited by GreenSoup2HoT on July 8, 2016 8:35PMPS4 NA DC2 -
ButtersEP✭✭✭Other (explaination)I think the 6% was a bit excessive, I play a stam khajit. But I do not like how they roll it back completely, they could easily make it 2-3% max stam and take it to PTS and see how it works.1
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Rex-Umbra✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Poll is biased. Whats with Argonian buffs, makes it a no brainer for Sap Tank.Xbox GT: Rex Umbrah
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Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passiveI play a stam Khajiit, agree it did seem a bit excessive in terms of buffing sheer DPS, but would prefer to see it swapped for something more useful than health recovery at the very least.1 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistakeEric explained that, after doing more research, that those who complained on the forums about the buff being too extreme were actually correct... so the devs already answered this question, that it was a dev mistake so they returned it back to where it was. Funny because this same exact thing happened a few months ago when Altmer and Bosmer were going to receive a buff and forum outcry caused them to reverse it... so Khajiit players shouldn't feel like this only happened to them.CP: 2112 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffEric explained that, after doing more research, that those who complained on the forums about the buff being too extreme were actually correct... so the devs already answered this question, that it was a dev mistake so they returned it back to where it was. Funny because this same exact thing happened a few months ago when Altmer and Bosmer were going to receive a buff and forum outcry caused them to reverse it... so Khajiit players shouldn't feel like this only happened to them.
Well, I did not notice Altemrs or Bosmers buff outcry, may have missed. Although Bretons deserves some damage buff their passives are mostly defensive.
Nimble buff had an important affect on this race in PVP, I am disappointed by rollback descion and lost faith on developers descion making.
They should think about all customers not those making outcry across the forum. I was happy about new changes.
May be Race Morph(just an idea) can help, I.e. one can be available for Thief based build to match lore
Second morph can be related to mage build or Burst Damage, stats buff (have seen many khajit mage NPC during Reapers March quest )
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffWell, I have read across forum about Bosmer getting buffed to 6% stamina.
Bye bye Khajit, Rest In Piece. Bosmers are getting a way better stats now..Edited by Lord_Eomer on July 9, 2016 7:10AM2 -
Dramonicous✭✭Other (explaination)#Other
Khajit needed a racial buff.
But I would had wanted to see a buff towards pvp and/or magicka builds.
I have long stated that khajits crit passive should extend to spell crit aswell, cuz why the hell not?
Its not our claws that cause the extra crit chance, we dont even use them.
Khajits racial used to affect staff attacks but that was nerfed ages ago cuz it was deemed too powerful in pvp.
Since this is no longer the case as crits are next to useless in pvp atm I say we should get it back.
So people whine cuz khajit gets to be the most powerful stamina race for pve...
Because of these *** that couldnt accept that they choose the wrong race we now get no updated racials at all?
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Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffDramonicous wrote: »#Other
Khajit needed a racial buff.
But I would had wanted to see a buff towards pvp and/or magicka builds.
I have long stated that khajits crit passive should extend to spell crit aswell, cuz why the hell not?
Its not our claws that cause the extra crit chance, we dont even use them.
Khajits racial used to affect staff attacks but that was nerfed ages ago cuz it was deemed too powerful in pvp.
Since this is no longer the case as crits are next to useless in pvp atm I say we should get it back.
So people whine cuz khajit gets to be the most powerful stamina race for pve...
Because of these *** that couldnt accept that they choose the wrong race we now get no updated racials at all?
GFU
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistakeLord_Dexter wrote: »Well, I have read across forum about Bosmer getting buffed to 6% stamina.
Bye bye Khajit, Rest In Piece. Bosmers are getting a way better stats now..
Woodelfs already have 3% more max Stamina. Another 3% max Stamina will totally break the Khajiit race... yeah sure. Khajiit is better than woodelf in PvE and Redguard is better than Woodelf in PvP. Why is a Woodelf buff unjustified?
Btw I have both, a Khajiit and a Woodelf and not gonna racechange one of this two.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on July 9, 2016 11:42AMI used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.1 -
dsalter✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistakeWell, my idea is to reduce greatly racial effect, but I know not a lot of people will like such a change. Khajiit critical bonus is already too strong in comparison with a race without stam passive. But that's the same for altmer, dunmer, breton…
In my opinion, the racial effect should be weak, in order to give us a tiny bonus without really needing the race in order to be competitive. The non-combat passive is a great one for diversity and lore, the resistance passives are good too, but the damage one are too much in this meta. Khajiit don't need more stamina if no other race have a great advantage with their stamina pool bonuses.
And for those who think that lore should apply some big unbalance, I remind them one of the greatest mage in all Tamriel is a nord, a race without any magicka affinity. Races give some capacities, not an overall domination.
But as I said, such a change would be a major one, and a lot of players won't like it. And I can understand why.
By the way, for the "tanking" axe khajiit have, I can say the same for orc : offensive bonuses, health regen and now more health received, they have some hybrid bonuses too. That's not really a problem, if they can achieve both roles without too much problem. But some are far stronger than them, so they can't compete very well. That's the main problem.
guessing you played warcraft as well? racials shouldnt be a core class deciderPLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Developers class descion was wrong to Buff Stamina, it was baseless and developers mistakeLord_Dexter wrote: »Well, I have read across forum about Bosmer getting buffed to 6% stamina.
Bye bye Khajit, Rest In Piece. Bosmers are getting a way better stats now..
Bosmer are only getting increase 3% Stamina to put them where they should have been all along, the Stamina race that is in-between Khajiit (Stamina damage race) and Redguard (Stamina regen race).
The Khajiit aren't going anywhere... they will remain exactly where they are right now on Live... so where's the problem in that?CP: 2112 ** ESO+ ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Polysemy✭✭✭Other (explaination)Instead of nerfing the changes why arent we buffing the other completely useless races?
Good job ZOS for being incompetent
Good job forum QQers for causing outrageEdited by Polysemy on July 9, 2016 1:03PMGrade A ***4 -
Lord_Eomer✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Tamerial have lost another Khajit by rolling back stamina buffLord_Dexter wrote: »Well, I have read across forum about Bosmer getting buffed to 6% stamina.
Bye bye Khajit, Rest In Piece. Bosmers are getting a way better stats now..
Bosmer are only getting increase 3% Stamina to put them where they should have been all along, the Stamina race that is in-between Khajiit (Stamina damage race) and Redguard (Stamina regen race).
The Khajiit aren't going anywhere... they will remain exactly where they are right now on Live... so where's the problem in that?
What I have said is same is same that total bosmer stamina buff will be increases to 6%.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/278120/7-8-2016-eso-live-upcoming-racial-changes#latestEdited by Lord_Eomer on July 9, 2016 1:27PM0 -
Kattemynte✭✭✭Other (explaination)The stamina increase was slightly overpowered (my khajitt characters are crying now though) but reverting back to health regen? Only a very minor group of people stack health regen so if I recall correctly, it is 20% more health regen... so about what...50 more health regen (math sucks so feel free to correct) for the normal stamina dps? Can we get something else instead?0
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Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passivedtsv217_ESO wrote: »The stamina increase was slightly overpowered (my khajitt characters are crying now though) but reverting back to health regen? Only a very minor group of people stack health regen so if I recall correctly, it is 20% more health regen... so about what...50 more health regen (math sucks so feel free to correct) for the normal stamina dps? Can we get something else instead?
Wrobel said a lot of players like making health regen builds . He must have his finger on the pulse of the Khajiit community . I'm also so full of sarcasm right now I made myself gak .
Can someone point me to a good health regen Khajiit build video ? I know there's got to be a lot of these out there ..0 -
CP5✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Other (explaination)Roehamad_Ali wrote: »dtsv217_ESO wrote: »The stamina increase was slightly overpowered (my khajitt characters are crying now though) but reverting back to health regen? Only a very minor group of people stack health regen so if I recall correctly, it is 20% more health regen... so about what...50 more health regen (math sucks so feel free to correct) for the normal stamina dps? Can we get something else instead?
Wrobel said a lot of players like making health regen builds . He must have his finger on the pulse of the Khajiit community . I'm also so full of sarcasm right now I made myself gak .
Can someone point me to a good health regen Khajiit build video ? I know there's got to be a lot of these out there ..
Does a tank with 50k health, 4k health regen, and the ability to execute with 10k non-crit hits in pvp sound like a decent one then?0 -
Rohamad_Ali✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Khajit deserve this change, kindly rethink about it or compensate for better passiveRoehamad_Ali wrote: »dtsv217_ESO wrote: »The stamina increase was slightly overpowered (my khajitt characters are crying now though) but reverting back to health regen? Only a very minor group of people stack health regen so if I recall correctly, it is 20% more health regen... so about what...50 more health regen (math sucks so feel free to correct) for the normal stamina dps? Can we get something else instead?
Wrobel said a lot of players like making health regen builds . He must have his finger on the pulse of the Khajiit community . I'm also so full of sarcasm right now I made myself gak .
Can someone point me to a good health regen Khajiit build video ? I know there's got to be a lot of these out there ..
Does a tank with 50k health, 4k health regen, and the ability to execute with 10k non-crit hits in pvp sound like a decent one then?
Good luck getting anyone into execute range with all that luggage shoved into health .0