ZOS | Destruction Staff Abilities = Big FPS Stuttering...

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(This is on PS4, I'm not sure if it happens on PC/MAC/Xbox One.)

This has been going on for more many many months now and I've never really bothered to record it and upload it, as I thought it may have been a lag/server issue at the time, which was over 5 months ago when I was leveling my Sorcerer, using Impulse on enemies in a delve/dungeon. This was recorded around the 23/06/2016, so it still exists.

It doesn't always do it, but when it starts, it requires a relog and then it's fine for about 5-10 minutes until it starts again as I tested this in Orsinium's public dungeon over the space of a few hours.

As you can see, it's pretty unplayable to use this in PvE and I've asked my friends, they also confirm this and one even stopped using Impulse completely, because of it.


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  • Molag_Crow
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    I don't know who the technical personnel is at ZOS, so I have just tagged Jessica.

    It seems to be destruction-staff related only and has effected my Sorcerer from the moment I created him and unlocked Impulse. It happens for others who I know on console also.
    Edited by Molag_Crow on July 10, 2016 11:18AM
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  • Birdovic
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    I believe that issue is connected to the Flame Destruction Staff, that's where I noticed the same problem.
  • Molag_Crow
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    I believe that issue is connected to the Flame Destruction Staff, that's where I noticed the same problem.

    Interesting... I guess the flame effects are too intense for the game or something.
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  • TheDarkShadow
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    And I thought because my desktop is outdate. This also happened to me when I was still playing my sorc, but then I swap to NB and use sap instead of impulse, the problem seem to "solve" itself. Maybe it's just something about Sorc and impulse.
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    And I thought because my desktop is outdate. This also happened to me when I was still playing my sorc, but then I swap to NB and use sap instead of impulse, the problem seem to "solve" itself. Maybe it's just something about Sorc and impulse.

    If that was happening to me on PC, I'd be worried about my PC as well... I wonder if it happens on Xbox also. It probably does for all platforms, and so I wonder if ZOS has ever acknowledged this. I may have to abandon Impulse as well. :confused:
    Edited by Molag_Crow on July 7, 2016 12:22AM
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  • NewBlacksmurf
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    Any fire-like flame effects in the game now cause extreme FPS drops.

    So not just the destruction staff.
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  • Molag_Crow
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    Here's another video of me attempting vMSA with a destruction staff and as soon as I start, and cast Elemental Blockade this time, I get the whole lag spike issue once again which seems to effect all of my spells, until I restart the game. Totally putting me off wanting to do a clear with a destruction staff:



    @ZOS_GinaBruno Please alert the performance devs about Destruction staff fire spells. I'm on console, PS4 EU and this has been happening for as long as I can remember.
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  • Ex_Draconis
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    Yes this has been the norm for me for a while now. It seems to be the aoe flame staff abilities like blockade or impulse.
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    Started doing similar to that with my Lightning staff last night ! No idea why, but I never had stuttering like this before last night on PS4. Unlocked the last passive (2/2) last night too. I know it doesn't make sense, but could it have anything to do with h that ?

    So the problem isn't only with Flame staff now.

    Makes my sorc, Well, unplayable, really...
    Edited by Averya_Teira on July 6, 2016 11:06PM
  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    I though it was my fire desto so I switched to shock and still have the same issues as the OP. I'm PCNA. Once the lag starts it also affects my other casting abilities. Makes playing a storm sorc very difficult.

    Edited by Enemy-of-Coldharbour on July 6, 2016 11:10PM
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  • bebynnag
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    i thought it was my valkyn proc that was causing this.....
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    @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

    Did you guys even know about this ?
  • NeillMcAttack
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    Molag_Crow wrote: »
    Here's another video of me attempting vMSA with a destruction staff and as soon as I start, and cast Elemental Blockade this time, I get the whole lag spike issue once again which seems to effect all of my spells, until I restart the game. Totally putting me off wanting to do a clear with a destruction staff:



    @ZOS_GinaBruno Please alert the performance devs about Destruction staff fire spells. I'm on console, PS4 EU and this has been happening for as long as I can remember.

    I get this issue quite often. If you look again, each time you kill something it stutters. It's hard to say if it's tied to the inferno staff (which i was also using) or simply a delayed ping to tell the server that something has been killed.
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  • neville_bart0s
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    I get the same problem, I thought it was VMA but maybe it is the flame staff abilities.... time to make myself an ice staff I guess.
    i thought it was my valkyn proc that was causing this.....

    nope. i run skoria on my stam sorc and I never get the problem, but my mag NB with destro staff is unplayable.

  • Averya_Teira
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    I think it might be the last passive of Destro staff that returns magicka on kill ? Something *** up with the math of it because it does seem to stutter every kill and now that I think about it, that's about when the stutters happen to me too.
  • Molag_Crow
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    Started doing similar to that with my Lightning staff last night ! No idea why, but I never had stuttering like this before last night on PS4. Unlocked the last passive (2/2) last night too. I know it doesn't make sense, but could it have anything to do with h that ?

    So the problem isn't only with Flame staff now.

    Makes my sorc, Well, unplayable, really...

    Good question, but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it, so it's definitely not that, though now I've put one in and I restarted my game, loaded back in and re-started vMSA -- had no problems throughout the whole run, so it seems to be an occasional thing and I have no idea what triggers it. :confused:
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  • Whatzituyah
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    I get the same problem, I thought it was VMA but maybe it is the flame staff abilities.... time to make myself an ice staff I guess.
    i thought it was my valkyn proc that was causing this.....

    nope. i run skoria on my stam sorc and I never get the problem, but my mag NB with destro staff is unplayable.

    @neville_bart0s I prefer ice anyway nothing says "Keep away!" or "You can't run!" more than the Ice Staff in my opinion. Now if only there was a Ice Skill line.
    Edited by Whatzituyah on July 7, 2016 12:20AM
  • SublimeSparo
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    I have this happen all the time. It's super fun. Seems to be something to do with when enemies die and not destro abilities,
    Got all the way up to stage 7 of vma with this happening on my mNB using swallow soul with only destro light attacks. Game crashed, I relogged and the problem stopped and then it felt so easy in comparison lol
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  • Reorx_Holybeard
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    Is the lag happening whenever something dies while using a destruction staff? Its hard to tell from the videos if that's the case or not.

    If it is happening when a mob is killed while wielding a Destruction Staff it sounds very close to a similar issue I had on PC. I was working on an add-on and found that when using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED event it was being called 40-50 times during a single frame whenever something dies while using a Destruction Staff. In my case I simply stopped using that event in the add-on since it was causing the exact same issues as I see in the video.

    If it is the same issue then perhaps the game UI files started using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED for something, or the root issue which causes that event to fire so many times in a single frame got worse. Anyways....just mentioning it in case it may help the devs or players track down the issue in some way.
    Edited by Reorx_Holybeard on July 7, 2016 1:50AM
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  • schwarzman1
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    I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.
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  • SublimeSparo
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    Is the lag happening whenever something dies while using a destruction staff? Its hard to tell from the videos if that's the case or not.

    If it is happening when a mob is killed while wielding a Destruction Staff it sounds very close to a similar issue I had on PC. I was working on an add-on and found that when using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED event it was being called 40-50 times during a single frame whenever something dies while using a Destruction Staff. In my case I simply stopped using that event in the add-on since it was causing the exact same issues as I see in the video.

    If it is the same issue then perhaps the game UI files started using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED for something, or the root issue which causes that event to fire so many times in a single frame got worse. Anyways....just mentioning it in case it may help the devs or players track down the issue in some way.

    @ZOS_GinaBruno can you pass the above info onto the devs, sounds like it might be onto something
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  • Lokey0024
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    Wait till you go to channel a lightning heavy attack and the beam breaks 3 times. For no reason. Frames drop and attack stops or starts over.

    I enjoy playing this game but dont think im spending more money on it. Cant seem to pin down issues and keep creating more.
  • Molag_Crow
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    Is the lag happening whenever something dies while using a destruction staff? Its hard to tell from the videos if that's the case or not.

    If it is happening when a mob is killed while wielding a Destruction Staff it sounds very close to a similar issue I had on PC. I was working on an add-on and found that when using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED event it was being called 40-50 times during a single frame whenever something dies while using a Destruction Staff. In my case I simply stopped using that event in the add-on since it was causing the exact same issues as I see in the video.

    If it is the same issue then perhaps the game UI files started using the EVENT_ACTION_SLOT_UPDATED for something, or the root issue which causes that event to fire so many times in a single frame got worse. Anyways....just mentioning it in case it may help the devs or players track down the issue in some way.

    It's happening on console (these videos are all from PS4) and by the looks of it, it happens on PC/Mac(?) too :p so.. definitely not addon-related. It doesn't do it for any other weapon other than Destruction staffs (when enemies die) for me, and I'm not sure about lightning or ice staffs.
    Edited by Molag_Crow on July 7, 2016 11:43AM
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  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    I tested this again this morning and it definitely happens when an enemy is killed with any destruction staff slotted.

    Dev's, please look into this. Thank you.

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  • Enemy-of-Coldharbour
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    It's not too bad when you kill a single mob, but when killing multiple mobs at once (AOE, grinding) it can freeze you for several seconds. :'(

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  • Molag_Crow
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    Confirmed Destro Staff causes this.

    More videos to prove this:


    I took my Destruction staff (inferno) off after the first mini-boss and the rest of my run was smooth.
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  • Ex_Draconis
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    It's not too bad when you kill a single mob, but when killing multiple mobs at once (AOE, grinding) it can freeze you for several seconds. :'(

    I agree it seems to be happening when killing large mobs. One place I always notice it is in wayrest sewers while fighting those large mobs all throughout the dungeon.
    Edited by Ex_Draconis on July 7, 2016 10:14PM
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  • Jimboo84
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    Birdovic wrote: »
    I believe that issue is connected to the Flame Destruction Staff, that's where I noticed the same problem.

    This is the same for Ice Destruction Staves.
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  • TheDarkShadow
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    I think it indeed has something to do with the magicka return passive. I remember everything is fine when I'm leveling with destro staff. But when I max out and start to put points on passive skills, it happen. I'll have to test it again to be sure.
  • hrothbern
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    Molag_Crow wrote: »
    Started doing similar to that with my Lightning staff last night ! No idea why, but I never had stuttering like this before last night on PS4. Unlocked the last passive (2/2) last night too. I know it doesn't make sense, but could it have anything to do with h that ?

    So the problem isn't only with Flame staff now.

    Makes my sorc, Well, unplayable, really...

    Good question, but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it, so it's definitely not that, though now I've put one in and I restarted my game, loaded back in and re-started vMSA -- had no problems throughout the whole run, so it seems to be an occasional thing and I have no idea what triggers it. :confused:

    "but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it"

    Is your CP Arcane Well unlocked ?
    the 20% chance on Magicka Restore when you kill an enemy ?
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