ZOS | Destruction Staff Abilities = Big FPS Stuttering...

Molag_Crow

hrothbern wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Started doing similar to that with my Lightning staff last night ! No idea why, but I never had stuttering like this before last night on PS4. Unlocked the last passive (2/2) last night too. I know it doesn't make sense, but could it have anything to do with h that ?

So the problem isn't only with Flame staff now.

Makes my sorc, Well, unplayable, really...

Good question, but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it, so it's definitely not that, though now I've put one in and I restarted my game, loaded back in and re-started vMSA -- had no problems throughout the whole run, so it seems to be an occasional thing and I have no idea what triggers it.

"but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it"

Is your CP Arcane Well unlocked ?
the 20% chance on Magicka Restore when you kill an enemy ?

I'll check that for you now...

Yes, Arcane Well unlocked, do you think that causes it then? because like I said in the last video, when I completely take off my destruction staff and dual wield, the FPS stuttering stops, even when Skoria's fire meteor procs. @hrothbern

hrothbern

Molag_Crow wrote: »

hrothbern wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Averya_Teira wrote: »

Started doing similar to that with my Lightning staff last night ! No idea why, but I never had stuttering like this before last night on PS4. Unlocked the last passive (2/2) last night too. I know it doesn't make sense, but could it have anything to do with h that ?

So the problem isn't only with Flame staff now.

Makes my sorc, Well, unplayable, really...

Good question, but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it, so it's definitely not that, though now I've put one in and I restarted my game, loaded back in and re-started vMSA -- had no problems throughout the whole run, so it seems to be an occasional thing and I have no idea what triggers it.

"but tbh I have no skill points in the last passive and it was still doing it"

Is your CP Arcane Well unlocked ?
the 20% chance on Magicka Restore when you kill an enemy ?

I'll check that for you now...

Yes, Arcane Well unlocked, do you think that causes it then? because like I said in the last video, when I completely take off my destruction staff and dual wield, the FPS stuttering stops, even when Skoria's fire meteor procs. @hrothbern

@Molag_Crow
Trying to eliminate...

Some posts seem to indicate that the stutter has also to do with kills.
Both the last passive from Destro as Arcane Well proc from a kill.

I have no issues at all with a Lightning Destro, playing now for three weeks a fast leveled Magicka Sorc..
I have Arcane Well and the Magicka restore passive of Destro since two weeks unlocked.
BUT
I have no Destro abilities on any of my two bars, only use all passives.

Perhaps it is the combination of the passive with Destro abilities slotted.

@SublimeSparo ,
Did you have any Destro abilities on any of your bars when youi got the stutter doing "only" LA/Swallow Soul ?

SublimeSparo wrote: »

I have this happen all the time. It's super fun. Seems to be something to do with when enemies die and not destro abilities,
Got all the way up to stage 7 of vma with this happening on my mNB using swallow soul with only destro light attacks. Game crashed, I relogged and the problem stopped and then it felt so easy in comparison lol

SublimeSparo

On that attempt no, i was using inner light, Merciless Resolve, swallow soul, Crippling grasp, impale.
99% sure i have arcane well unlocked, and have also had the problem on my sorc where it is also unlocked.
I do not recall it happening on my healer templar while dw / resto / destro with arcane well unlocked, but i'm not 100% sure

Takes-No-Prisoner

schwarzman1 wrote: »

I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.

Went on my MagTemplar before Wednesdays patch and had this issue, with every ability she used. After the patch, not having it happen on enemy players or enemy mobs.

My StamNB never had a problem.

SublimeSparo

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

schwarzman1 wrote: »

I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.

Went on my MagTemplar before Wednesdays patch and had this issue, with every ability she used. After the patch, not having it happen on enemy players or enemy mobs.

My StamNB never had a problem.

Did you reallocate CP when jabs wasn't scaling with thaumaterge? And move them back after the patch?
Dw?

Takes-No-Prisoner

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

schwarzman1 wrote: »

I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.

Went on my MagTemplar before Wednesdays patch and had this issue, with every ability she used. After the patch, not having it happen on enemy players or enemy mobs.

My StamNB never had a problem.

Did you reallocate CP when jabs wasn't scaling with thaumaterge? And move them back after the patch?
Dw?

IIRC, I was using Fire Staff/Restro Staff--had the freezing happen on both bars, and had CP in Thaumaturge before and after the patch. I did not move them at all.

Last night I played her. Using Shield/Mace and the same Restro staff, had no problems with killing enemy players.

SublimeSparo

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

schwarzman1 wrote: »

I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.

Went on my MagTemplar before Wednesdays patch and had this issue, with every ability she used. After the patch, not having it happen on enemy players or enemy mobs.

My StamNB never had a problem.

Did you reallocate CP when jabs wasn't scaling with thaumaterge? And move them back after the patch?
Dw?

IIRC, I was using Fire Staff/Restro Staff--had the freezing happen on both bars, and had CP in Thaumaturge before and after the patch. I did not move them at all.

Last night I played her. Using Shield/Mace and the same Restro staff, had no problems with killing enemy players.

I should have clarified that a bit better, do you have the arcane well cp passive unlocked? It's the 120CP passive in the tree with elfborn, Elemental expert, blessed and spell penetration in.

Smasherx74

It's your consoles fault, well at least that's what I'm assuming ZOS wants to say.

MarcoPolo

Iv been getting this on xbox with nearly all sorc abilities since release but hasnt been as bad but my ice staff has been doing it lately also

Takes-No-Prisoner

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

SublimeSparo wrote: »

Takes-No-Prisoner wrote: »

schwarzman1 wrote: »

I see similar issues sometimes only when I land a killing blow.

Went on my MagTemplar before Wednesdays patch and had this issue, with every ability she used. After the patch, not having it happen on enemy players or enemy mobs.

My StamNB never had a problem.

Did you reallocate CP when jabs wasn't scaling with thaumaterge? And move them back after the patch?
Dw?

IIRC, I was using Fire Staff/Restro Staff--had the freezing happen on both bars, and had CP in Thaumaturge before and after the patch. I did not move them at all.

Last night I played her. Using Shield/Mace and the same Restro staff, had no problems with killing enemy players.

I should have clarified that a bit better, do you have the arcane well cp passive unlocked? It's the 120CP passive in the tree with elfborn, Elemental expert, blessed and spell penetration in.

Yeah, I have 120 points inside the Apprentice

Psyonico

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I run a flame staff on my main and have never once had an issue with effects.

Perhaps dive sort of particle counter got raised in your settings?

What sort of GPU are you using and at what resolution? I'm running a GTX 980 running at 1920 x1080 so if this is some sort of issue on their end, it isn't impacting higher end gear that isn't being stressed by default.

First thing i would suggest is lower your max particular. If that doesn't fix it, and nothing else has changed, then there's is probably am issue.

SublimeSparo

...Console

Molag_Crow

Psyonico wrote: »

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I run a flame staff on my main and have never once had an issue with effects.

Perhaps dive sort of particle counter got raised in your settings?

What sort of GPU are you using and at what resolution? I'm running a GTX 980 running at 1920 x1080 so if this is some sort of issue on their end, it isn't impacting higher end gear that isn't being stressed by default.

First thing i would suggest is lower your max particular. If that doesn't fix it, and nothing else has changed, then there's is probably am issue.

Console, like SublimeSparo said.

It doesn't always happen by the way, although it's not rare either. I have a feeling that it's one of those problems which ZOS can't pinpoint, and so this will most likely be ignored and the problem will persist for some more years, if not the entire duration of ESO -- so I guess the only solution is restarting the game. That's going to be a pain when running vMSA, hence why I stopped my run (at the first round, in my video) to restart it all and try again, then it went smooth.

Davcidman

So I started having this problem today, and I found this thread about it. I decided to investigate a little, and I recorded some proof that it is linked to the destro staff and it's abilities. In the video, you'll notice that the stutter happens when I am using the destro staff w/ abilities, but when I switch to my resto staff bar (which has no destro staff abilities at all) the stutter is gone.

https://youtu.be/bggloU94JWI

Molag_Crow

Davcidman wrote: »

So I started having this problem today, and I found this thread about it. I decided to investigate a little, and I recorded some proof that it is linked to the destro staff and it's abilities. In the video, you'll notice that the stutter happens when I am using the destro staff w/ abilities, but when I switch to my resto staff bar (which has no destro staff abilities at all) the stutter is gone.

https://youtu.be/bggloU94JWI

Thanks for linking that, I never knew it actually does it to Lightning staffs too... so this further confirms it, especially the way you switch to your resto bar and then the stuttering stops.

I wonder if ZOS has acknowledged this yet, we seem to have a lot of proof. It's been going on for a looooong time.

BRogueNZ

I get similar except its with extended ritual if there is more than a few about

edit

Describing pvp scenario with multiple templars using it and a lot of siege damage its a slo mo fiasco , the breech is ten times worse

Personally I think the particle density setting either leaves you with no idication of aoe or too much
I've a poorish machine by todays standards and high ptr so I attribute 90% of it to that. not much I can do unless there is code issues. which is also a viable possibility.

Molag_Crow

BRogueNZ wrote: »

I get similar except its with extended ritual if there is more than a few about

edit

Describing pvp scenario with multiple templars using it and a lot of siege damage its a slo mo fiasco , the breech is ten times worse

Personally I think the particle density setting either leaves you with no idication of aoe or too much
I've a poorish machine by todays standards and high ptr so I attribute 90% of it to that. not much I can do unless there is code issues. which is also a viable possibility.

Oh, I use ritual of retribution so I don't know if extended ritual does the same for me but even so, every other ability seems to be fine, just destruction staff's abilities/light/heavy attacks seem to cause the stuttering. On console, when graphics get too intense, they automatically scale down the particle density I think.. so I don't know what the actual cause is.

ZOS_AlexTardif

There's a great deal of detail in this thread about this issue, and the videos are super helpful. We'll get this bugged internally and looked at, thanks everyone!

Rainteal

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

There's a great deal of detail in this thread about this issue, and the videos are super helpful. We'll get this bugged internally and looked at, thanks everyone!

I am still experiencing this from time to time on PS4 NA. It is intermittent, but I would not call it rare. I will make a video next time it happens, upload to Youtube, and share here.

Thank you for letting us know it is still on the radar!

Molag_Crow

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

There's a great deal of detail in this thread about this issue, and the videos are super helpful. We'll get this bugged internally and looked at, thanks everyone!

Oh thank you Alex, always good to get a response about issues like this after uploading multiple videos to try and explain the problem and the cause (even though I'm unsure of the cause.)

Noerknhar

ZOS_AlexTardif wrote: »

There's a great deal of detail in this thread about this issue, and the videos are super helpful. We'll get this bugged internally and looked at, thanks everyone!

@ZOS_AlexTardif Same issue when Vicious Death procs.

Molag_Crow

@Noerknhar Are you using a destruction staff with Vicious Death though? because when this 'kicks in' it causes most of my class abilities/Skoria's (2) piece Meteor proc to stutter as well.

Egonieser

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Any fire-like flame effects in the game now cause extreme FPS drops.

So not just the destruction staff.

Yep, I was fighting the flame boss in IC the other day and when he did his AoE lava attacks my FPS went up and down like a brides nighty, it was godawful. And I have a beastly Rig so I know for a fact that it's not on my end. Everyone in my group also reported FPS drops during the same encounter.

Lafer

This bug has nothing to do with fire destro spell,This bug have been reported since TG since theif guild release. it occured often in maelstrom , iv been getthing it in sanctum , on every single death you will get a small lag spike if you kill multiple enemis at the same time you will get a bigger spike.

Usualy this bug occure after a prolonged playing session on your ps4 and a restart of your ps4 fix it for quite some times.

TheDarkShadow

Lafer wrote: »

This bug has nothing to do with fire destro spell,This bug have been reported since TG since theif guild release. it occured often in maelstrom , iv been getthing it in sanctum , on every single death you will get a small lag spike if you kill multiple enemis at the same time you will get a bigger spike.

Usualy this bug occure after a prolonged playing session on your ps4 and a restart of your ps4 fix it for quite some times.

I've got this since Orsinium, on my sorc, who use destro as main weapon. Then I retired my sorc and play NB which use sap instead of impulse and the lag spike is gone.

Molag_Crow

Lafer wrote: »

This bug has nothing to do with fire destro spell,This bug have been reported since TG since theif guild release. it occured often in maelstrom , iv been getthing it in sanctum , on every single death you will get a small lag spike if you kill multiple enemis at the same time you will get a bigger spike.

Usualy this bug occure after a prolonged playing session on your ps4 and a restart of your ps4 fix it for quite some times.

It only ever does it for destruction staffs and their abilities, even after "prolonged playing sessions" and in an Orsinium public dungeon on my Sorcerer, in the Orsinium DLC, I got it EVERY 10-20 minutes after logging out/restarting the entire game. It would come back and stutter again with the 'Impulse' ability. It would never do that to my Nightblade or Templar since they didn't use the same method, so yes it definitely is destruction staffs/abilities and it has been going on since Orsinium, if not longer...

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Observations I made this weekend:

I would notice the 'freeze' when I had a destruction staff equipped and/or a destruction staff skill slotted and received XP for a kill. If I removed the skill and only used the staff for light and heavy attacks I got the freeze. If I removed the staff and kept a destruction staff skill slotted while only using skills on my back bar I would get the freeze. If I was grouped and did not attack but had the destruction staff equipped and/or a destruction staff skill slotted and received XP from someone else's kill I would get the freeze. However, I could have a destruction staff equipped and/or a destruction staff skill slotted and not get the freeze if I only used skills on my Overload bar.

Enemy-of-Coldharbour

Dev's, any insight as to what is going on? This bug is keeping me from being able to do any group content, and ruining my solo experience.

Sunburnt_Penguin

@ZOS_AlexTardif

Hi, Alex. Do you have any update on this bug? It is making a Destro staff unusable for anything competitive.

Thanks

Aeaeren

I have the same issue, at that point just restart the game and it clears it up for me.