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Nightblades Need A Nerf!
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thankyourat✭✭✭✭✭
✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
i agree that magicka nightblade is easy mode for pve and pvp ap farming, but i disagree with everything else. nightblade is pretty balanced in terms of pvp right now. they are no where near the top class in pvp but they have cool abilities and are fun to play. a good nightblade will not be able to compete with a good stamina dk. and a bad nightblade is a easy kill. also magicka nightblade is probably the worse class in the whole game for a 1 v 1 encounter. i'm confused about what needs to be changed. their burst potential is high, but sorcerer is just as high. why nerf them and they aren't even the best class in the game at the moment?0 -
Casterial✭✭✭✭✭
✭The_Outsider wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »the funny part most people that have a nb toon always say they do not need a nerf last I check that class is the only one 1 shotting people playing hide and go seek and coming out ready to play lol like really stop.
I can 1shot people with my DK ult, I can nearly 1shot people with Temp Jabs.
The issue with NB is Incap is 50 ult cost and does 12-15k damage. That is the only real issue I have with them outside of fear.
lolno. I'm wearing 7 medium, 5 impen with ~30 points in resistant and the largest incap crit I've ever taken is ~8k. And it was from Ephitacy (sp?). Typical is lower than that. You're either lying about your numbers or you're not wearing any impen.
I wear 3 impen, 4 infused.
A good STAMINA NIGHTBLADE can hit hard. My own NB for example had 5k weapon damage, the Incap tooltip is 16k.
It can crit hard, does it land? Nah, rarely but when it does, oh my is it deadly. Specially the Fear->Incap combo
->I was going off tooltip by the way. Incap has one of the highest tooltips out there aside from DB For such cheap cost.
Now does that mean it needs a nerf? No, because Ambush SA spam almost always makes your stam run out fast, so why nerf them? They have hard management sometimes and take high damage. They rely on their damage to kill before being killed.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Not really nerfed but (and this applies to every class) need real balancing from a dev team that actually play the game....
Just my 2 cents though.
Agreed, at the moment they are balancing based off PVE feedback and not PVP feedback.
Not an accurate statement. Some would even say the opposite is true.
It is accurate, they have more PVE content and are more worried about PVE content, why would they balance around PVP which in their eyes doesn't need working or fixing? Hell when they added poison they knew it'd unbalance PVP more but they said this "Oh you'll be rolled over by zergs anyways." Like they don't give a sh**.
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Tekyn✭✭✭There are only four classes... if half of them are "OP" then the individual classes are not the problem. Stop asking for nerfs to the strong classes and start asking why the weaker classes don't have better options.-- Khajiit like to sneak --1 -
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✭this is how you nerf nightblades:
do pvp with 20k hp at least
17k hp is noob unless you perma shuffle
Edited by Waseem on July 5, 2016 10:05PM0 -
Tryxus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
OK, a few points:
- So MagBlades are good in solo content (vMSA) and you want them nerfed for that? In group content, the DK out DPSes the MagBlade and the Templar outheals them
- StamBlades are bottom of the barrel in PvE
- Stam DK outperforms StamBlade in regular PvP. StamBlades are great gankers (always wear your Impenetrable ppl) and get a lot of burst from stealth, but once that's done and the target survives, StamBlades lose that edge. Especially against DKs since they just have to pop their Ulti and get everything back
- New players are often advised to make a Templar, with NB taking 2nd spot
- 3 DLC? I see only 2 (TG&DB). I mean, in IC Sorcs are just as dangerous as NB are. And where does it say anywhere in the description or ingame that IC was made for NB?
- Besides, the DB & TG skill lines are passives that don't do any good in PvE or PvP. You want NB nerfed for being able to do Heists or Sacraments better than the other classes or smth?
Try and be reasonable here
Edited by Tryxus on July 5, 2016 11:05PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
OK, a few points:
- So MagBlades are good in solo content (vMSA) and you want them nerfed for that? In group content, the DK out DPSes the MagBlade and the Templar outheals them
- StamBlades are bottom of the barrel in PvE
- Stam DK outperforms StamBlade in regular PvP. StamBlades are great gankers (always wear your Impenetrable ppl) and get a lot of burst from stealth, but once that's done and the target survives, StamBlades lose that edge. Especially against DKs since they just have to pop their Ulti and get everything back
- New players are often advised to make a Templar, with NB taking 2nd spot
- 3 DLC? I see only 2 (TG&DB). I mean, in IC Sorcs are just as dangerous as NB are. And where does it say anywhere in the description or ingame that IC was made for NB?
- Besides, the DB & TG skill lines are passives that don't do any good in PvE or PvP. You want NB nerfed for being able to do Heists or Sacraments better than the other classes or smth?
Try and be reasonable here
@Tryxus
I have but 2 questions for you, comrade. And they both tie directly into this topic and my post. Alright? Lol. And the questions is the following...
By a chance, which class is currently the most dominant in PVP (meaning: Is the most deadly, seen the most, and used the most)? Also, which class currently makes PVE content (for the most part) the easiest to handle?
You're free to answer them as complex or as simple as you wish.
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✭✭✭✭✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
OK, a few points:
- So MagBlades are good in solo content (vMSA) and you want them nerfed for that? In group content, the DK out DPSes the MagBlade and the Templar outheals them
- StamBlades are bottom of the barrel in PvE
- Stam DK outperforms StamBlade in regular PvP. StamBlades are great gankers (always wear your Impenetrable ppl) and get a lot of burst from stealth, but once that's done and the target survives, StamBlades lose that edge. Especially against DKs since they just have to pop their Ulti and get everything back
- New players are often advised to make a Templar, with NB taking 2nd spot
- 3 DLC? I see only 2 (TG&DB). I mean, in IC Sorcs are just as dangerous as NB are. And where does it say anywhere in the description or ingame that IC was made for NB?
- Besides, the DB & TG skill lines are passives that don't do any good in PvE or PvP. You want NB nerfed for being able to do Heists or Sacraments better than the other classes or smth?
Try and be reasonable here
@Tryxus
I have but 2 questions for you, comrade. And they both tie directly into this topic and my post. Alright? Lol. And the questions is the following...
By a chance, which class is currently the most dominant in PVP (meaning: Is the most deadly, seen the most, and used the most)? Also, which class currently makes PVE content (for the most part) the easiest to handle?
You're free to answer them as complex or as simple as you wish.
Most Deadly in PvP? Def the Stam DK
Fighting a Stam DK as a Magicka build is an uphill battle because of their Reflect. Sorcs get everything reflected right back at them, mine camping isn't reliable due to chains and MagBlades are forced to go melee with CW.
And while the StamBlade has good burst, in open world regular combat, the DK outperforms the NB. Especially with their resource management due to having access to a cheap 100 Ulti Dawnbreaker that does Physical Damage now
So yeah, I'd rank the Stam DK 1, and tbh I'd put StamBlade 2nd and MagPlar 3rd
Most seen in PvP? NB
Stealth/Rogue/Ninja classes are always popular. Plus a lot of ppl bandwagon, thinking they can get easy kills with smth that looks easy. So yeah, ganking looks like the easy way out then
PvE:
DPS: Stam/Mag DK. I have a Mag DK too and with the same gear and CP setup, I always get 5k more DPS than the MagBlade. And yeah, it's generally known that DKs can get monster DPS
Healing: Templar, NB is prob 2nd best
Tanking: DK again, it's the tank class
Solo: MagBlade-MagPlar tie
From personal experience ofc Your move
PS: Man, Sorcs need a srs buff btw Edited by Tryxus on July 5, 2016 11:52PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
OK, a few points:
- So MagBlades are good in solo content (vMSA) and you want them nerfed for that? In group content, the DK out DPSes the MagBlade and the Templar outheals them
- StamBlades are bottom of the barrel in PvE
- Stam DK outperforms StamBlade in regular PvP. StamBlades are great gankers (always wear your Impenetrable ppl) and get a lot of burst from stealth, but once that's done and the target survives, StamBlades lose that edge. Especially against DKs since they just have to pop their Ulti and get everything back
- New players are often advised to make a Templar, with NB taking 2nd spot
- 3 DLC? I see only 2 (TG&DB). I mean, in IC Sorcs are just as dangerous as NB are. And where does it say anywhere in the description or ingame that IC was made for NB?
- Besides, the DB & TG skill lines are passives that don't do any good in PvE or PvP. You want NB nerfed for being able to do Heists or Sacraments better than the other classes or smth?
Try and be reasonable here
@Tryxus
I have but 2 questions for you, comrade. And they both tie directly into this topic and my post. Alright? Lol. And the questions is the following...
By a chance, which class is currently the most dominant in PVP (meaning: Is the most deadly, seen the most, and used the most)? Also, which class currently makes PVE content (for the most part) the easiest to handle?
You're free to answer them as complex or as simple as you wish.
Most Deadly in PvP? Def the Stam DK
Fighting a Stam DK as a Magicka build is an uphill battle because of their Reflect. Sorcs get everything reflected right back at them, mine camping isn't reliable due to chains and MagBlades are forced to go melee with CW.
And while the StamBlade has good burst, in open world regular combat, the DK outperforms the NB. Especially with their resource management due to having access to a cheap 100 Ulti Dawnbreaker that does Physical Damage now
So yeah, I'd rank the Stam DK 1, and tbh I'd put StamBlade 2nd and MagPlar 3rd
Most seen in PvP? NB
Stealth/Rogue/Ninja classes are always popular. Plus a lot of ppl bandwagon, thinking they can get easy kills with smth that looks easy. So yeah, ganking looks like the easy way out then
PvE:
DPS: Stam/Mag DK. I have a Mag DK too and with the same gear and CP setup, I always get 5k more DPS than the MagBlade. And yeah, it's generally known that DKs can get monster DPS
Healing: Templar, NB is prob 2nd best
Tanking: DK again, it's the tank class
Solo: MagBlade-MagPlar tie
From personal experience ofc Your move
PS: Man, Sorcs need a srs buff btw
I have no more moves. I asked my 2 questions, and you gave me the answers you felt were appropriate to the questions presented before you. Some pretty interesting food for thought you supplied me with, so kudos to you for that.0 -
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✭The_Outsider wrote: »mmolegends44 wrote: »the funny part most people that have a nb toon always say they do not need a nerf last I check that class is the only one 1 shotting people playing hide and go seek and coming out ready to play lol like really stop.
I can 1shot people with my DK ult, I can nearly 1shot people with Temp Jabs.
The issue with NB is Incap is 50 ult cost and does 12-15k damage. That is the only real issue I have with them outside of fear.
lolno. I'm wearing 7 medium, 5 impen with ~30 points in resistant and the largest incap crit I've ever taken is ~8k. And it was from Ephitacy (sp?). Typical is lower than that. You're either lying about your numbers or you're not wearing any impen.
I wear 3 impen, 4 infused.
A good STAMINA NIGHTBLADE can hit hard. My own NB for example had 5k weapon damage, the Incap tooltip is 16k.
It can crit hard, does it land? Nah, rarely but when it does, oh my is it deadly. Specially the Fear->Incap combo
->I was going off tooltip by the way. Incap has one of the highest tooltips out there aside from DB For such cheap cost.
Now does that mean it needs a nerf? No, because Ambush SA spam almost always makes your stam run out fast, so why nerf them? They have hard management sometimes and take high damage. They rely on their damage to kill before being killed.Giles.floydub17_ESO wrote: »Forestd16b14_ESO wrote: »Not really nerfed but (and this applies to every class) need real balancing from a dev team that actually play the game....
Just my 2 cents though.
Agreed, at the moment they are balancing based off PVE feedback and not PVP feedback.
Not an accurate statement. Some would even say the opposite is true.
It is accurate, they have more PVE content and are more worried about PVE content, why would they balance around PVP which in their eyes doesn't need working or fixing? Hell when they added poison they knew it'd unbalance PVP more but they said this "Oh you'll be rolled over by zergs anyways." Like they don't give a sh**.
Certainly Incap can hit hard.
For context, my main is a Stamina NB (like AR 25 or something), and the player I referred to is what I would call a "good stamina Nightblade."
I was only disagreeing with the statement that Incap does "12-15k" damage. Stating it like that implies that 12-15k is a regular occurrence, or is easily attainable in Cyrodiil. I haven't found that to be the case, and I've taken Incap hits from some very talented Stamblades in Cyrodiil. If Incap IS hitting an enemy that hard, they will die far before you ever need to use your ultimate, yeah? In this case their build is the issue.
PS: I wish I could find a way to stay alive after stacking 5k weapon damage.
Edited by kadar on July 6, 2016 12:40AM0 -
Hamfast✭✭✭✭✭All seriousness aside, as my main is a Stamina based NB, I can tell you that there is no better class or build then NB for making floor decorations, I know because I am an expert at it... thankfully I hate PVP so no laughs from all you 1337 Killa's on how weak I am.
I am doing a heck of a lot more damage then I was just before they redid the numbers and we ended up with a whole lot more points and our attack numbers went through the roof, too bad they gave everyone the number buff, Mobs included...Of all the things I have lost, I miss my mind the most...0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭I have 2 Nightblades. A magicka version and a stamina version, and they both blow my other classes out of the water. Keep in mind that I have a magicka and stamina version of each class when I say this.
I mean, my magicka Nightblade is the only class I can get flawless conqueror with repeatedly with in VMA. And that is with little to no effort. If I want to go to PVP and farm AP? I just hop on 1 of my Nightblades, and I gain tons within an hour. It's literally the "easy mode" class. In fact, I see people both here on the forums and in-game telling newcomers to make a Nightblade, if they're interested in getting into the game. Or completing something like VMA. That's honestly sad. It really is.
I really wish people would stop trying to downplay the class, just because they don't want their class being "rebalanced" or "tweaked". It's getting pathetic now.
And by the way, it doesn't help that ZOS is making content after content that caters to Nightblades. Imperial City, Thieves Guild, and Dark Brotherhood all support an assassin/stealthy play-style. And guess which class is based on stealth? Nightblades. It's so annoying. There's 3 other classes to pick from, ZOS. 3. Not everything has to lean towards Nightblades excelling at everything over everyone. Okay? @ZOS_MattFiror @Wrobel @ZOS_RichLambert
OK, a few points:
- So MagBlades are good in solo content (vMSA) and you want them nerfed for that? In group content, the DK out DPSes the MagBlade and the Templar outheals them
- StamBlades are bottom of the barrel in PvE
- Stam DK outperforms StamBlade in regular PvP. StamBlades are great gankers (always wear your Impenetrable ppl) and get a lot of burst from stealth, but once that's done and the target survives, StamBlades lose that edge. Especially against DKs since they just have to pop their Ulti and get everything back
- New players are often advised to make a Templar, with NB taking 2nd spot
- 3 DLC? I see only 2 (TG&DB). I mean, in IC Sorcs are just as dangerous as NB are. And where does it say anywhere in the description or ingame that IC was made for NB?
- Besides, the DB & TG skill lines are passives that don't do any good in PvE or PvP. You want NB nerfed for being able to do Heists or Sacraments better than the other classes or smth?
Try and be reasonable here
Well, sorcs got nerfed hard because they were good in vMSA so I really don't see why NB's shouldn't get nerfed for the exact same reason.Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on July 6, 2016 7:22AMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
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✭The_Outsider wrote: »PS: I wish I could find a way to stay alive after stacking 5k weapon damage.
Indeed, haha I die so easily now, but before I could get away and live.
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✭✭It's the weapon damage-stackers that are allowed to cause so much havoc but yes, it's hilarious when a weapon-damage-stacked Nightblade manages to fail its opener and then resorts to defensive, although that mass hysteria (being unable to break free from it most of the time) is a real killer too, on top of the damage reduction debuff it gives you.--ϟ-- Crows_Descend - Templar - Ebonheart Pact [PS4]&[PC] [EU] --ϟ--
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Hawco10✭✭✭✭I'm guessing the OP just got whacked by one and hence the thread. Anyway, I have one, but switched to a stamina DK and have to be honest, they are way better than a night blade.
Sure, you can't really sneak around but you can brawl your heart out and I'm having a blast doing that. As a Nb owner, I wouldn't really mess with a DK if he had seen me and it was a straight fight. Guess the lesson is, keep your wits around you, pay attention to your surroundings, don't carry a bunch of stones that you can't afford to lose, travel in groups, don't just sit on your horse between two keeps and start checking the map or your inventory.
Be smart.
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jkolb2030✭✭✭I don't see the issues with NB in PvP really..
Yes, they can hit HARD from stealth and burst you down quickly.
Yes, they are all over the place.
But i'm a mediocre PvP'r and I was running IC yesterday on my stamDK (which is a dunmer LOL) and if i started to get ganked I could pop igneous shield and vigor and turn around and drop the NB with one crit charge into heavy attk and reverse slice.. Or i turned around and dawnbreaker, usually a one shot with the occasional reverse slice finisher.
So really, NB are only OP if a really good player is using them - but that is the case with any class I feel.
P.S - reflecting Sorcs who try to use Overload in PvP is such a fantastic feeling
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