UPDATE: Zenimax official statment of gap closers being an exploit in here

Pomaikai · July 2016

Actually it's in the rules and ZOS has stated that they consider it an exploit.

The reason they haven't done anything about it is that they're gutless and spineless.

Whatzituyah · July 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

ZOS could sue for defamation. This thread is pointless to post. Everyone should know by now pvp wont get any better, just like the 90% healing increase from vitality pot, malubeth and major mending wont get fixed even though it was supposed to get fixed.

@Parafrost to be honest I don't know what they fixed in pvp.

Unsent.Soul · July 2016

Funny.... AD emp in haderus on xbox 1 US server is doing exactly what OP described and is 1 mil in points ahead of 2nd place....

DrMoonMoon · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Wrong. This thread is about someone exploiting an officially-labeled exploit, and in the worst way possible. I've seen wall jumpers take on what few players were there for them to jump at, defeat them, and move in. If that can happen, imagine how unstoppable an EMPEROR doing it would be... Worse still is someone from the INSIDE is HELPING him wall jump right into the inner keep no doubt, thus rendering siege unnecessary. That actually makes them the worst possible player. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that emperor got his title the usual cheap way; others helping him get it handed to him.

You're just assuming he had someone on the "inside" help when all it takes is someone standing too close to the ledge. That's just laughable.

Ackwalan · July 2016

This is the result of how ZOS handled the cheating and exploiting. People now openly brag about it, in ZOS's own forums.

@ZOS_BrianWheeler

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Wrong. This thread is about someone exploiting an officially-labeled exploit, and in the worst way possible. I've seen wall jumpers take on what few players were there for them to jump at, defeat them, and move in. If that can happen, imagine how unstoppable an EMPEROR doing it would be... Worse still is someone from the INSIDE is HELPING him wall jump right into the inner keep no doubt, thus rendering siege unnecessary. That actually makes them the worst possible player. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that emperor got his title the usual cheap way; others helping him get it handed to him.

You're just assuming he had someone on the "inside" help when all it takes is someone standing too close to the ledge. That's just laughable.

No, you can tell when someone is actually letting them in. Plenty of tell-tale signs in fact. If they are letting them in then the wall jumper will not engage their target and kill them but instead move on in further while their target does nothing or just heals themself, especially if more than 1 jumps them. What's laughable is how you're trying to make excuses that exploiting is not happening that way.

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Azurethe · July 2016

Where is thy proof that we did anything?

(Video? pls)

Parafrost · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Wrong. This thread is about someone exploiting an officially-labeled exploit, and in the worst way possible. I've seen wall jumpers take on what few players were there for them to jump at, defeat them, and move in. If that can happen, imagine how unstoppable an EMPEROR doing it would be... Worse still is someone from the INSIDE is HELPING him wall jump right into the inner keep no doubt, thus rendering siege unnecessary. That actually makes them the worst possible player. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that emperor got his title the usual cheap way; others helping him get it handed to him.

You act as if you guys can't just zerg him down. Oh wait that is exactly what you are saying. This thread seems like a big L2P issue for zergs who rely on balling up to kill 1 person and chase him down to the ends of Cyrodil. Emps are not impossible to kill. If you have the numbers, you can kill him easy. Incompetence is the reason for you guys failing to kill 4 people. Sure emps get 75% more stats, sure they regain ult faster, but if you have the skill to kill one with a large a** group, then you wouldn't have to complain about him gap closing into his or her death. Instead of complaining about a person from another faction doing it, report every player(about 80% of the pvp population) doing what this one particular person is doing. It is only fair.

Whatzituyah · July 2016

Azurethe wrote: »

Where is thy proof that we did anything?

(Video? pls)

@Azurethe and thats where all of this falls apart they can't post the video without censoring your name as it falls under name and shame. Question is can you name and shame yourself? Hopefully we can find out!

Parafrost · July 2016

Pomaikai wrote: »

Actually it's in the rules and ZOS has stated that they consider it an exploit.

The reason they haven't done anything about it is that they're gutless and spineless.

Where have they stated this if I may ask. Provide the evidence.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

DrMoonMoon wrote: »

That moment when you realize what y'all are reporting people for isn't actaully against the rules and just a matter of opinion of what you BELIEVE is the right way for ZOS to conduct PvP. This thread is just basically people raging because someone is better than them and thus it isn't fair.

Wrong. This thread is about someone exploiting an officially-labeled exploit, and in the worst way possible. I've seen wall jumpers take on what few players were there for them to jump at, defeat them, and move in. If that can happen, imagine how unstoppable an EMPEROR doing it would be... Worse still is someone from the INSIDE is HELPING him wall jump right into the inner keep no doubt, thus rendering siege unnecessary. That actually makes them the worst possible player. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if that emperor got his title the usual cheap way; others helping him get it handed to him.

You act as if you guys can't just zerg him down. Oh wait that is exactly what you are saying. This thread seems like a big L2P issue for zergs who rely on balling up to kill 1 person and chase him down to the ends of Cyrodil. Emps are not impossible to kill. If you have the numbers, you can kill him easy. Incompetence is the reason for you guys failing to kill 4 people. Sure emps get 75% more stats, sure they regain ult faster, but if you have the skill to kill one with a large a** group, then you wouldn't have to complain about him gap closing into his or her death.

First of all I am in no way directly involved in this thread nor have I personally experienced a situation like this. I simply recognize the exploiting this person is doing and abusing his power in the process.

Second way to ignore the true issue at hand and make yourself out to be a jerk. L2P against something that shouldn't be happening in the first place? Not really our responsibility there...

Finally yes it is true that with proper defenses such an action would not go unpunished, but this is an EMPEROR we are talking about, and just because the exploit exists does not mean we are obligated to stack people in specific corners to defend against said exploiters. We are normally more spread out and pre-occupied repelling sieges of a large scale.

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Parafrost · July 2016

I wouldn't really call this an exploit if everyone can do it. No one person is benefiting more than the other.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

I wouldn't really call this an exploit if everyone can do it. No one person is benefiting more than the other.

Oh dear Akatosh in Aedric heaven... It's not a matter of opinion, it's a FACT that wall jumping at keeps is an exploit, and is made so by Zenimax themselves.

ToRelax · July 2016

Parafrost wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Actually it's in the rules and ZOS has stated that they consider it an exploit.

The reason they haven't done anything about it is that they're gutless and spineless.

Where have they stated this if I may ask. Provide the evidence.

There you go:

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. We just want to point out that the use of Teleport Strike to enter the enemy keep shown in this video (that is, using it on an enemy as they enter a keep, so that the caster ends up on the inside of the keep with the enemy) is a bug. We are in the process of investigating a solution.

Ah, it is not like leap then? I assumed that being a 'teleport' it would be useable. Is it fair to use it until patch? Or just avoid doing it from now?

Since this is not intended functionality, continued use of this would be considered an exploit, so please refrain from doing so. Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!

There is no question this is an exploit. ZOS in their incredible incompetence even tried to "fix" it a couple times.
Aside from that, your argument that enough players can kill one emp is just weak. We had whole raids entering keeps without sieging the walls in the past, and using cross faction alts for it isn't new either. Not exactly what I'd call fair play.

Tonnopesce · July 2016

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

Zuvanov · July 2016

I plead the fifth.

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave · July 2016

Khajiit shakes head at much of this situation. It's like Rajhin has come and stolen away sensibility and wits. This one mostly laughs at those who jump in to keeps. Poor misguided kittens who need to be taught the right way to hunt and kill prey.

Now, if you'll excuse this one. Khajiit must go knock down walls like they were hiding moon sugar rum.

OGLezard · July 2016

ToRelax wrote: »

Parafrost wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Actually it's in the rules and ZOS has stated that they consider it an exploit.

The reason they haven't done anything about it is that they're gutless and spineless.

Where have they stated this if I may ask. Provide the evidence.

There you go:

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Blobsky wrote: »

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

Hey everyone. We just want to point out that the use of Teleport Strike to enter the enemy keep shown in this video (that is, using it on an enemy as they enter a keep, so that the caster ends up on the inside of the keep with the enemy) is a bug. We are in the process of investigating a solution.

Ah, it is not like leap then? I assumed that being a 'teleport' it would be useable. Is it fair to use it until patch? Or just avoid doing it from now?

Since this is not intended functionality, continued use of this would be considered an exploit, so please refrain from doing so. Ultimately, any method of entering an enemy keep without breaking down the door is considered an exploit. Thanks for checking!

There is no question this is an exploit. ZOS in their incredible incompetence even tried to "fix" it a couple times.
Aside from that, your argument that enough players can kill one emp is just weak. We had whole raids entering keeps without sieging the walls in the past, and using cross faction alts for it isn't new either. Not exactly what I'd call fair play.

@Parafrost since @ToRelax forgot to tag you

Duiwel · July 2016

OP a certain group of reds and now yellows have been doing this on Spellbreaker EU for over a month. We didn't make threads about it crucifying the entire alliance for one man's actions.

BUT nice to know how you think mate...

Live in your little bubble

Tonnopesce · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

Yes you are right but Teleport Strike is an ability that can be spammed over and over, dragon leap is an ultimate ability so not in the gap closer category.
Once you leap into a keep you waste the most powerful dk passive (battle roar) and that makes you more vulnerable, if you simply gap close to a player you still have your ultimate and you have a unfair advantage imho

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

Yes you are right but Teleport Strike is an ability that can be spammed over and over, dragon leap is an ultimate ability so not in the gap closer category.

Who says an Ultimate can't be part of a category? Besides, Dragon Leap is a relatively cheap Ultimate, even more so as Take Flight.

Azurethe · July 2016

I didn't know this was an exploit before you guys showed me the way on this thread, thank you

I thought maybe because it was clearly on the PTS for so long and they still decided to put it in... Maybe they did not care if Lord Master Azurethe the Third used something very very clearly there. I am now enlightened.

Though it is too bad I do not have my shadowplay on right now cause I am 1vXing this thread

@Van_0S Though I could not help but look and see that your signature says that you are God of Tamriel

I'm afraid that that title belongs to another... Braidas...

Tonnopesce · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

Yes you are right but Teleport Strike is an ability that can be spammed over and over, dragon leap is an ultimate ability so not in the gap closer category.

Who says an Ultimate can't be part of a category? Besides, Dragon Leap is a relatively cheap Ultimate, even more so as Take Flight.

Read again PLZ i added my personal opinion on this.

Azurethe · July 2016

I know now from ZOS this is what they consider an exploit that they put in even when they knew about it coming into the patch, I will refrain from using it again

UltimaJoe777 · July 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

Yes you are right but Teleport Strike is an ability that can be spammed over and over, dragon leap is an ultimate ability so not in the gap closer category.

Who says an Ultimate can't be part of a category? Besides, Dragon Leap is a relatively cheap Ultimate, even more so as Take Flight.

Read again PLZ i added my personal opinion on this.

Your opinion is acknowledged and I agree it isn't as reliable as a gap closer non-Ultimate, but it is still a gap closer nonetheless, even with limited use.

Minalan · July 2016

Is this the same AD who had their Nightblade emperor wall jump and kill the DC defenders holding back the AD horde just two days ago?

Yeah it's a cheap sneaky tactic, but at this point it's a regrettable part of the game. You'll see it in all of the streamer feeds too nowadays. If ZOS intended to do anything about it, they would have already. :-/. But they never do.

Tonnopesce · July 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Leaping walls has been in game since release and we DK's have used since then, is the last patch (or two patchs ago...) that have introduced the gap closer "bug".
Leap into walls is not so bad, if you consider how the dragon leap works, basically is a straight jump from point A to B.
On the other side gap closer such as critical charge should not work like this, when you charge a inner from the outer walls, or when you wait on the stairs that someone put his face out you basically run mid air and is weird.

And on that note Teleport Strike is similarly "logical", but it was still never meant to be.

Yes you are right but Teleport Strike is an ability that can be spammed over and over, dragon leap is an ultimate ability so not in the gap closer category.

Who says an Ultimate can't be part of a category? Besides, Dragon Leap is a relatively cheap Ultimate, even more so as Take Flight.

Read again PLZ i added my personal opinion on this.

Your opinion is acknowledged and I agree it isn't as reliable as a gap closer non-Ultimate, but it is still a gap closer nonetheless, even with limited use.

So basically we are in a "everyone can or no one" ok i'm fine with this (anyway i dont use leap as an ultimate due to the physical damage) but i've recorded ppl jumping into the walls and this can be done even in some "sensible" DC Home Keeps (i will not tell here on the forums how and where to do it) so we are complaining about one or two "exploiters" when entire Zergs can avoid walls simply jumping with the horse.

Azurethe · July 2016

And they called me a heal bot! Maybe if the AD lasted me then 2 seconds they could see I was very strained on resources having only 1k-1.2k!

Wollust · July 2016

People make such a drama about keep jumping. Wow.