Templar Nerfing

Phinix1 · June 2016

I honestly don't see what people are getting so upset and arguing about. There is no "best for Templar" gear anyway. At best, it is "best for Templar in X situation" gear. Also PVP vs. PVE is hardly the only consideration. You would run a completely different build for vMA compared to trials for example, for obvious reasons.

It is really off-putting how hostile people can get over silly things so I will step aside while this one passes with one final comment:

Having a good group of people working together is far more important than having a specific set of gear.

Cinbri · June 2016

Templars got revamp of one passive instead of being nerfed like in all DLCs before and now people (mostly non-templars) claim it is new meta. Wonder what will happen when templars will get some serious buff.

Totalitarian · June 2016

So...is Skoria worth it on Magicka Templars?

ArchMikem · June 2016

Eshelmen wrote: »

Spam your shards, CC the crap out of whoever is attacking you. Jab the crap out of them. Dark flare them when they're CC'd. Pop your channeled focus every chance you've got.
Pop Structured entropy every time.
Get some nasty poisons(+60% stamina cost)on your bar too.

@Eshelmen What does your ability bars look like?

AJ_1988 · June 2016

High health blazing shield and vicious death set. Not really dps but annoying as hell to the Zerg that explodes around you. I've seen it wipe keeps clean and it's a good laugh.

Tonnopesce · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Stamina Templar has rather weak DPS compared to other Stamina races.

It's basically 1:1 on magicka templar w/o an execute.

Stam DK outperforms Stamplar by far.
Stam NB outperforms Stamplar by a decent margin.
Stam Sorc outperforms Stamplar by a small margin.

Still stamplar reach really hig WD and have acces to a class purge and major mending plus repetance is probably the best stamina skill out there.

arkansas_ESO · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't know if you're joking or being serious right now Templars are the new meta right now

LOL the meta? Stamina is the meta, not magicka, and that mainly consists of NBs, Sorcs and DK's more than Temps >.>

Stamplars are pretty good as well! And it's no secret that templar is the strongest magicka class, and it's got access to one of the hardest counters to stamina builds in the game (Radiant Destruction.)

JaceSB · June 2016

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

ZOS_DaryaK · June 2016

We've removed several posts and edited a few others. Please refrain from insults and keep your comments constructive and relevant to the topic.

mistermutiny89 · June 2016

JaceSB wrote: »

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

Well this is a disappointing attitude.

I'll definitely stick to my @andy.s and @Sharmony videos.

rokrdt05 · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

TL;DR Stam NB 48-50k DPS pver 2 minutes Stam dk 50-52k DPS over 2 minutes

Keep tripping over yourself

That means Stam DK is absolutely better than Stam NB?
All I claimed is that Stamblade is ON BAR with Stam DK.
You can do + / - 2k DPS with each -.-

You're a complete genius! Go back to the drawing board.

Edited to remove quoted content that was removed

I think what you meant to say was "ON PAR"

Not sure what they would be doing on a bar...

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

rokrdt05 wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

TL;DR Stam NB 48-50k DPS pver 2 minutes Stam dk 50-52k DPS over 2 minutes

Keep tripping over yourself

That means Stam DK is absolutely better than Stam NB?
All I claimed is that Stamblade is ON BAR with Stam DK.
You can do + / - 2k DPS with each -.-

You're a complete genius! Go back to the drawing board.

Edited to remove quoted content that was removed

I think what you meant to say was "ON PAR"

Not sure what they would be doing on a bar...

I think he was watching a stam dk stam blade strip show

Reorx_Holybeard · June 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

I'm glad to have run across this thread...I've been doing some theorycrafting for a while now and could never get TBS to outperform Julianos on my Templar (though similar on other classes). Happy to see someone else confirm that I'm not completely wrong...:)

Does anyone happen to have some recent theorycrafting showing TBS outperforming Julianos, or even the original one? I'm wondering if this is just due to someone running TBS having a higher critical damage modifier so if they get lucky with criticals in a fight their DPS parse numbers will be higher than average?

I'd also like to note that for us "normal" players the differences being talked about are relatively small. For example, for your typical group dungeon build of Julianos/TBS x5, Willpower x3, Valkyn x2, Torug x2, in theorycrafting Julianos only outperforms TBS on my Templar by 0.8%. If you extend this to a trial situation where you have 100% uptime of Warhorn/Major+Minor Force Julianos becomes 2.7% better. These aren't huge margins of differences...in a veteran dungeon group I'd just be happy if my group members don't stand in the red cricles.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

Reorx_Holybeard wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

I'm glad to have run across this thread...I've been doing some theorycrafting for a while now and could never get TBS to outperform Julianos on my Templar (though similar on other classes). Happy to see someone else confirm that I'm not completely wrong...:)

Does anyone happen to have some recent theorycrafting showing TBS outperforming Julianos, or even the original one? I'm wondering if this is just due to someone running TBS having a higher critical damage modifier so if they get lucky with criticals in a fight their DPS parse numbers will be higher than average?

I'd also like to note that for us "normal" players the differences being talked about are relatively small. For example, for your typical group dungeon build of Julianos/TBS x5, Willpower x3, Valkyn x2, Torug x2, in theorycrafting Julianos only outperforms TBS on my Templar by 0.8%. If you extend this to a trial situation where you have 100% uptime of Warhorn/Major+Minor Force Julianos becomes 2.7% better. These aren't huge margins of differences...in a veteran dungeon group I'd just be happy if my group members don't stand in the red cricles.

I usually 4un the numbers first and test later and mathematically Julianos is better than TBS even withough 100% uptime on major force. This is due to the passive crit damage modifier as well as the changes to the penetration in this patch, which allow players to spec more into Elfborn, thereby lowering the contribution of Shadow to your overall damage.

Nifty2g · June 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

JaceSB wrote: »

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

Well this is a disappointing attitude.

I'll definitely stick to my @andy.s and @Sharmony videos.

I don't think it's a surprising attitude, jace doesn't run vma for the community, runs it competitively for himself, I've seen what its like to give strategies out to others, whether it comes down to gear, tips or just a video, other people tend to copy you which is fine that's the point of it, but in this case vma obviously means a lot so to say it's disappointing not to see videos or claiming they are done by cheat engine is just infair to the amount of work put in so someone else can use them against him and beat him

Eshelmen · June 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

Eshelmen wrote: »

Spam your shards, CC the crap out of whoever is attacking you. Jab the crap out of them. Dark flare them when they're CC'd. Pop your channeled focus every chance you've got.
Pop Structured entropy every time.
Get some nasty poisons(+60% stamina cost)on your bar too.

@Eshelmen What does your ability bars look like?

@ArchMikem
DW- Channeled Focus, Toppling Charge, Dark Flare, Structured Entropy, Puncturing Sweeps- Soul Assault
Resto- Repentence, Aurora Javelin, Luminous Shards, Breath of Life, Extended Ritual - Replenishing Barrier

Vinther · June 2016

JaceSB wrote: »

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

Nice attitude, unable to post full runs = 0 proof that you are not using CE to achieve these scores

Because too many people ARE still using it, especially in NA, so I would not be surprised. I know for a fact that some top tier players are using it for years now w/o getting caught.

So your refusal to ever post full run, even though your score difference with @andy.s is MINIMAL is VERY suspicious, knowing your attitude and reading your posts.

Julianos never outperforms TBS on a magplar in a trial environment with AW being used. PERIOD. It's a freaking MATHEMATICAL FACT. Just stop wasting your time trying to be special...

...and post a freaking full run video with 580k score if you want legit #1 title.

SanTii.92 · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

JaceSB · June 2016

mistermutiny89 wrote: »

JaceSB wrote: »

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

Well this is a disappointing attitude.

I'll definitely stick to my @andy.s and @Sharmony videos.

Didn't mean for it to come out that way. Accusing people of using CE even though they are clearly not using it just triggers me.

Nifty2g · June 2016

sAnn92 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

You need a pretty large uptime of scathing in general, you just cant do that with templars

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

sAnn92 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

Hey Twisting is what procs it.. in AoE or Mixed AoE, my scathing is crazy good! Scathing on a templar is not good, because outside of jabs it doesn't proc and Radiant is a huge portion of our dps making it not worth it to runot scathing.

SanTii.92 · June 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

Hey Twisting is what procs it.. in AoE or Mixed AoE, my scathing is crazy good! Scathing on a templar is not good, because outside of jabs it doesn't proc and Radiant is a huge portion of our dps making it not worth it to runot scathing.

So you are telling me that twisting procs it but refreshing does not? my heart just broke a little

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

sAnn92 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

Hey Twisting is what procs it.. in AoE or Mixed AoE, my scathing is crazy good! Scathing on a templar is not good, because outside of jabs it doesn't proc and Radiant is a huge portion of our dps making it not worth it to runot scathing.

So you are telling me that twisting procs it but refreshing does not? my heart just broke a little

Haha I haven't tested refreahing, but it seems to be up for me all the time with twisting. I'll test tonight whether it's the first tick or not.

SanTii.92 · June 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

sAnn92 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Hey Nifty why is that exactly? Also @hedna123b14_ESO or @Polysemy I've been trying to proc scathing with refreshing path other than with the first hit on cast but can't seem to be able to do it. I've heard twisting does proc it tho, could it be just the morph?

Hey Twisting is what procs it.. in AoE or Mixed AoE, my scathing is crazy good! Scathing on a templar is not good, because outside of jabs it doesn't proc and Radiant is a huge portion of our dps making it not worth it to runot scathing.

So you are telling me that twisting procs it but refreshing does not? my heart just broke a little

Haha I haven't tested refreahing, but it seems to be up for me all the time with twisting. I'll test tonight whether it's the first tick or not.

That would be great, refreshing is a fundamental part of my healer build, would be so hard to let it go. I've also notice that Blockade and Grasp first tick can also proc it.

Personofsecrets · June 2016

Face when all runs must be cheat runs unless there is a video of them.

By the way, even if there was a video of any run, it isn't like someone who doesn't want to be convinced of a leader board score would suddenly become convinced of that scores legitimacy. They would be likely to just push the goal posts further away.

"Well, maybe you showed me a whole vMA run, but you didn't also record all of your computer processes to show me you were not cheating."

"Well maybe you recorded all of your computer processes to, but you could have just forged the recording."

"Well maybe some other outlandish thing because I don't actually want to believe you to be an authority so I wont despite the clear evidence."

Nifty2g · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

JaceSB wrote: »

Full run or it didn't happen eh? That makes absolutely ZERO sense. I don't publicly share my runs because of people copying kill order and strats and claiming it to be theirs. I've held #1 world vma for almost 3 updates now. I was worlds 1st 580k on both Sorcerer AND Nightblade, and currently as I'm typing this post, I am the ONLY one in world with a 580k+ score on 2 classes. And 563k and he barely plays the class doesn't say much tbh. I have a 565k score on my Templar... and that run was with 2 deaths. Not to *** talk @andy.s or anything but I think I can claim the title of best vma player. It's an obvious one.

As for your knowledge of Templar dps, you clearly have none. Like @Nifty2g said, the Alcast build of 5 TBS, 4 Julianos is good for players who don't have access to all the best in slot gear because it's all craftable. But Julianos out preforms TBS on Templar by a mile. The classes passives do not synergize well at all with TBS which makes it inferior even in a raid setting.

ps. TBS is trash in vma lolol. I would know, world number 1 remember?

Edited to remove insulting language

Nice attitude, unable to post full runs = 0 proof that you are not using CE to achieve these scores

Because too many people ARE still using it, especially in NA, so I would not be surprised. I know for a fact that some top tier players are using it for years now w/o getting caught.

So your refusal to ever post full run, even though your score difference with @andy.s is MINIMAL is VERY suspicious, knowing your attitude and reading your posts.

Julianos never outperforms TBS on a magplar in a trial environment with AW being used. PERIOD. It's a freaking MATHEMATICAL FACT. Just stop wasting your time trying to be special...

...and post a freaking full run video with 580k score if you want legit #1 title.

lol what logic is that

a1i3nz · June 2016

How about just nerf jesus beam back to an execute so all these crappy spamplars can go back to their old meta toons.

Seriously Ive mained a magplar since day 1 and now that Jesus beam is un-nerfed everyone and their mom is spamming it hoping for your health to dip. Now hitting purify every 2 seconds when 1vX.

Vaoh · June 2016

So I just read through every post in this thread..... wow is all I have to say....

@Nifty2g
I'm sorry for what you have to put up with sometimes. Both you and your friends. Considering what you have done in ESO, it is sad to see some people with absolutely no respect for either facts or common sense argue with you. There will be no compromise with that guy. He's incapable of accepting when he's wrong.

@Vinther
You're coming off really, really badly in this thread. The guy who must always be right, even when he is very, very wrong. I'm not sure if you love disagreeing with people, but believe me when I say that you are in the wrong right now. Just stop. Lol

TheHsN · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Please...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D5NO3SwrzM

578.9k score

We were talking about general scores, not class scores.

@andy.s did 563k on magplar and does not even play the class regularly.

this is NB but!!!

NetflixNChiill · June 2016

I run 5 twiceborn 2 Magnus 2 skoria and do just fine in pvp/pve trials like maw and sanctum included max magicka is 43k Max health 23k recovery needs work 775 spell damage 2300 unbuffed 70% crit 2 Mundus stones thief/shadow works great for just about everything IMO