Templar Nerfing

LoganSniper · June 2016

Just wanted to raise this to everyone that is templar, I think they went a bit too nerf on the templar, seeing as there are vary few armors and enchants in the game to help the magicka based characters as it is. I finally was able to figure out how to rebalance my templar and get the best out of it but from what I have found so far I can't get it back up to doing the DPS numbers that it was doing before they nerfed it. I have a High Elf Templar exclusive to DPS, with minimal healing on the back bar. My biggest complaint from everything is the lack of armors to support a templar build or magicka based character, I'm a crafter of armors and weapons and I see that there are so many more armor sets that support a stamina based character than magicka based. They release yet another DLC and in it the majority of Armors are based off the stamina build character. If your character is magicka based yes you can change enchantments on the armor however there isn't anything else in the traits that are going to help you out much and you will be a wet noodle while wearing the armor, where as your counterpart of stamina will benefit from all the armor. So let's hear from you templars and magicka based players I'd like know your thoughts about this stuff.

mr1sho · June 2016

I don't know if you're joking or being serious right now Templars are the new meta right now

Eshelmen · June 2016

Other than a few players, my templar still destroys most players with out too much issue.

We can easily cleanse ourselves from any poisions, DOTs etc. We can still put out high damage. MY BOL can still crit for insane health
I'm still using my 5 pc Julianos, Willpower Jewelry, 1 Kena and 3 pc turogs(DW and head).
7 Impen.

At some point, you have to step back and realize that gear isn't everything. If people are pummeling you to the ground in a second, then you need to beef your health/impen up and or learn better defensive measures.
Spam your shards, CC the crap out of whoever is attacking you. Jab the crap out of them. Dark flare them when they're CC'd. Pop your channeled focus every chance you've got.
Pop Structured entropy every time.
Get some nasty poisons(+60% stamina cost)on your bar too.

I have no problem with the latest DLC sets. I'm happy for the stamina users to get some love.

magnusthorek · June 2016

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

NBrookus · June 2016

I don't think I've run the same gear/bar setup on my templar more than a few days since he became my new main post-DB. And almost all of them have worked for a particular playstyle. There are plenty of good gear options.

Templars are pretty strong right now. We don't have the raw burst of a lot of other classes, but lots of utility.

Molag_Crow · June 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't know if you're joking or being serious right now Templars are the new meta right now

LOL the meta? Stamina is the meta, not magicka, and that mainly consists of NBs, Sorcs and DK's more than Temps >.>

Vinther · June 2016

Stamina Templar has rather weak DPS compared to other Stamina races.

It's basically 1:1 on magicka templar w/o an execute.

Stam DK outperforms Stamplar by far.
Stam NB outperforms Stamplar by a decent margin.
Stam Sorc outperforms Stamplar by a small margin.

RebornV3x · June 2016

Other than the occasional Nightblade ganker Ive had lots of fun with my Templar even when I do get beat its normally a close fight if Templars got nerfed I couldn't tell

Nifty2g · June 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

mr1sho · June 2016

Molag_Crow wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't know if you're joking or being serious right now Templars are the new meta right now

LOL the meta? Stamina is the meta, not magicka, and that mainly consists of NBs, Sorcs and DK's more than Temps >.>

Sure there's a great flush of stam builds in pvp now but don't kid yourself if you think temps are not out in numbers they just tend to stick to the zerg so they won't get single out and can just spam heals and Jesus beams for days

Van_0S · June 2016

mr1sho wrote: »

Molag_Crow wrote: »

mr1sho wrote: »

I don't know if you're joking or being serious right now Templars are the new meta right now

LOL the meta? Stamina is the meta, not magicka, and that mainly consists of NBs, Sorcs and DK's more than Temps >.>

Sure there's a great flush of stam builds in pvp now but don't kid yourself if you think temps are not out in numbers they just tend to stick to the zerg so they won't get single out and can just spam heals and Jesus beams for days

Bias post!!
NB can spam cloak and healing ward/ sallow soul for days and easily dodge RD and stab that caster.

Vinther · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Lol, TBS is best in slot for both magicka and stamina templar for PvE. Don't even try to argue xD Same for 2pc Kena on magplar.

If you cant access these items, then ok, there's alternative setups. But this is the way to go otherwise.

Destyran · June 2016

Thaumaturge bug will be fixed next patch on console. We will be back to full glory!!!

Vinther · June 2016

Please come back when you have world 1st vMoL achievement and you actually know what you are talking about. Kthxbai.

Until then I think I rather agree with @Alcast in this matter.

Nifty2g · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

magnusthorek wrote: »

TBS or Scathing Mage + Valkyn Skoria or Molag Kena + Willpower Jewelry -AND- Torug's Pact swords -OR- Moondancer Jewelry + Sword. Fire staff on back bar.

One weapon with Spell/Weapon Damage and the other with Prismatic/Fire Damage.

Takes a hell of time to setup this build but works nicely. And I'm not even close to be an elite player

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Moondancer is nice but I need to play my templar more for a set up I like

Lol, TBS is best in slot for both magicka and stamina templar for PvE. Don't even try to argue xD Same for 2pc Kena on magplar.

If you cant access these items, then ok, there's alternative setups. But this is the way to go otherwise.

I have all of them
Templar doesn't need TBS because of Piercing Spear passive, you're more beneficial for getting Julianos to balance it out and get more damage. Everytime I have tested it twice born star tends to give me less results than what julianos does because of that.

You need an uptime of 80% or more for Molag Kena to out perform any other 2pc on a Templar, and since you are main barring swords. I'd like to know how you expect to have 80% uptime on Molag Kena procing it on your off bar. You would lose so much dps it's not funny lol

Of course I am going to argue, you're giving false information to people. Different classes benefit differently to Twice Born Star and Julianos based on their passives.

Phinix1 · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Depends on if you mean PVE or PVP.

In PVE TBS is insanely strong on Templar. 5 TBS, 4 Julianos (dual wield), 3 Willpower.

The latent 10% crit damage plus 12% from rearming trap plus 30% from warhorn makes using Thief and Shadow insanely powerful.

Granted that was a pretty short fight, but as long as you drop your Channeled Focus on your staff/buff bar and use potions, it isn't tough to sustan and 25-30k is pretty easy on most bosses.

Not uncommon to do 40-50k on trash AOE with Blockade, Blazing Spear, Reflective Light, and Sweeps all ticking away.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

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Phinix1 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Depends on if you mean PVE or PVP.

In PVE TBS is insanely strong on Templar. 5 TBS, 4 Julianos (dual wield), 3 Willpower.

The latent 10% crit damage plus 12% from rearming trap plus 30% from warhorn makes using Thief and Shadow insanely powerful.

Granted that was a pretty short fight, but as long as you drop your Channeled Focus on your staff/buff bar and use potions, it isn't tough to sustan and 25-30k is pretty easy on most bosses.

Not uncommon to do 40-50k on trash AOE with Blockade, Blazing Spear, Reflective Light, and Sweeps all ticking away.

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Phinix1 · June 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Not according to every theorycrafter's end-game raid data on Tamriel Foundry, and my own personal experience. If you have decent uptime on Warhorn Julianos 5-piece can't compare to TBS crit damage with Thief/Shadow.

Going Nirnhoned on main sword gives more spell damage than 1-piece Kena, and Sharpened on off more overall DPS than the extra crit from a Precise. Plus using 4-piece Julianos keeps both crit bonuses which is better for a crit damage TBS build than 2 Torug. 2 Kena 2 Torug would pull ahead assuming you could sustain. Most can't.

As long as your crit is 65+, you use rearming trap, and someone is running warhorn, TBS will beat Julianos in raw numbers for pretty much every scenario outside maybe solo play where it doesn't really matter.

Really though, the difference between the two sets is not huge.

Nifty2g · June 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Scathing Mage on a templar is a no
TBS on a templar is a no
Molag Kena on a templar is a no

Depends on if you mean PVE or PVP.

In PVE TBS is insanely strong on Templar. 5 TBS, 4 Julianos (dual wield), 3 Willpower.

The latent 10% crit damage plus 12% from rearming trap plus 30% from warhorn makes using Thief and Shadow insanely powerful.

Granted that was a pretty short fight, but as long as you drop your Channeled Focus on your staff/buff bar and use potions, it isn't tough to sustan and 25-30k is pretty easy on most bosses.

Not uncommon to do 40-50k on trash AOE with Blockade, Blazing Spear, Reflective Light, and Sweeps all ticking away.

No it doesn't make it insanely powerful. I think you are all misunderstanding a lot of things. You start becoming at a loss because you're just stacking up CHD (Crit hit damage). Balance it out on a Templar with Julianos.

That build (Alcasts) is one of the strongest sure, but I don't see a benefit in it instead of the other options. Especially since that build is made for group play with 100% uptime on Warhorn... it's just a good build for people to have access to since its all crafted.

Nifty2g · June 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Not according to every theorycrafter's end-game raid data on Tamriel Foundry, and my own personal experience. If you have decent uptime on Warhorn Julianos 5-piece can't compare to TBS crit damage with Thief/Shadow.

Going Nirnhoned on main sword gives more spell damage than 1-piece Kena, and Sharpened on off more overall DPS than the extra crit from a Precise. Plus using 4-piece Julianos keeps both crit bonuses which is better for a crit damage TBS build than 2 Torug. 2 Kena 2 Torug would pull ahead assuming you could sustain. Most can't.

As long as your crit is 65+, you use rearming trap, and someone is running warhorn, TBS will beat Julianos in raw numbers for pretty much every scenario outside maybe solo play where it doesn't really matter.

Really though, the difference between the two sets is not huge.

You realise hedna, asayre and myself have thoroughly tested this all for templars right? we're all on NA and in guilds with each other lol... we are the theorycrafters you are talking about

Vinther · June 2016

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

Vinther · June 2016

Just FYI:

@Latter does a good job explaining a proper Magplar build right here:
http://tamrielfoundry.com/topic/latters-magplar-dd-for-vet-dungeons-trials/

And he is someone who I can also rely on when it comes to accurate and working min/max trial/dungeon builds.

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

Phinix1 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Not according to every theorycrafter's end-game raid data on Tamriel Foundry, and my own personal experience. If you have decent uptime on Warhorn Julianos 5-piece can't compare to TBS crit damage with Thief/Shadow.

Going Nirnhoned on main sword gives more spell damage than 1-piece Kena, and Sharpened on off more overall DPS than the extra crit from a Precise. Plus using 4-piece Julianos keeps both crit bonuses which is better for a crit damage TBS build than 2 Torug. 2 Kena 2 Torug would pull ahead assuming you could sustain. Most can't.

As long as your crit is 65+, you use rearming trap, and someone is running warhorn, TBS will beat Julianos in raw numbers for pretty much every scenario outside maybe solo play where it doesn't really matter.

Really though, the difference between the two sets is not huge.

1. I am on foundry and my build is different. It pulls comparable numbers and doesn't affect my sustain at all (and I don't use channeled focus)
2. Going Nirnhoned on any weapon in the game is a terrible idea and will lose you a ton of dps. While there is a debate between sharpened and Precise traits on weapons, there is No debate regarding Nirn. It's just plain badefinition in PvE.
3. Again I disagree regarding TBS, and I don't use trap to get my minor force buff by the way.

Nifty2g · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

I'll post a video instead

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtK5RS5hXlc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

Last time I ran Templar with bad gear I got 38k, never got my best in slot gear and then they increased spell cost so I've been running a Stamplar with alkosh/nightmothers

You can't proc kena on a dual wield bar, where did you get that information? You can only proc it with Dark Flare.

Vinther · June 2016

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Not according to every theorycrafter's end-game raid data on Tamriel Foundry, and my own personal experience. If you have decent uptime on Warhorn Julianos 5-piece can't compare to TBS crit damage with Thief/Shadow.

Going Nirnhoned on main sword gives more spell damage than 1-piece Kena, and Sharpened on off more overall DPS than the extra crit from a Precise. Plus using 4-piece Julianos keeps both crit bonuses which is better for a crit damage TBS build than 2 Torug. 2 Kena 2 Torug would pull ahead assuming you could sustain. Most can't.

As long as your crit is 65+, you use rearming trap, and someone is running warhorn, TBS will beat Julianos in raw numbers for pretty much every scenario outside maybe solo play where it doesn't really matter.

Really though, the difference between the two sets is not huge.

1. I am on foundry and my build is different. It pulls comparable numbers and doesn't affect my sustain at all (and I don't use channeled focus)
2. Going Nirnhoned on any weapon in the game is a terrible idea and will lose you a ton of dps. While there is a debate between sharpened and Precise traits on weapons, there is No debate regarding Nirn. It's just plain badefinition in PvE.
3. Again I disagree regarding TBS, and I don't use trap to get my minor force buff by the way.

Pfft, no TBS and no trap, may as well play a healer

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top ti

Vinther wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Phinix1 wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Julianos outperforms TBS on a templar, albeit not by much, but it definitely does. 40-50 AoE damage is low. 60-80 is much more plausible. Also swords on the front bar is one choice of set up. You can run destro front bar and in my experience get just as good or better damage.

Not according to every theorycrafter's end-game raid data on Tamriel Foundry, and my own personal experience. If you have decent uptime on Warhorn Julianos 5-piece can't compare to TBS crit damage with Thief/Shadow.

Going Nirnhoned on main sword gives more spell damage than 1-piece Kena, and Sharpened on off more overall DPS than the extra crit from a Precise. Plus using 4-piece Julianos keeps both crit bonuses which is better for a crit damage TBS build than 2 Torug. 2 Kena 2 Torug would pull ahead assuming you could sustain. Most can't.

As long as your crit is 65+, you use rearming trap, and someone is running warhorn, TBS will beat Julianos in raw numbers for pretty much every scenario outside maybe solo play where it doesn't really matter.

Really though, the difference between the two sets is not huge.

1. I am on foundry and my build is different. It pulls comparable numbers and doesn't affect my sustain at all (and I don't use channeled focus)
2. Going Nirnhoned on any weapon in the game is a terrible idea and will lose you a ton of dps. While there is a debate between sharpened and Precise traits on weapons, there is No debate regarding Nirn. It's just plain badefinition in PvE.
3. Again I disagree regarding TBS, and I don't use trap to get my minor force buff by the way.

Pfft, no TBS and no trap, may as well play a healer

Lol..no TBS and no trap and I still outparse you;) also it's Dark Brotherhood Brah real players get their Minor Force elsewhere:)

Polysemy · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

First of all you have no idea what you are talking about

Second of all @Nifty2g is a top tier raider and someone who has beat out EU patch after patch in vDSA and Trials

Third TBS is only better then julianos or whatever equivalent with a 40% uptime on CHD from AW and the man himself can confirm that as he is the one who figured it out for me @Asayre

TL;DR Wheres your proof?
TL;DR Who the *** are you?

Vinther · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

I'll post a video instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtK5RS5hXlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

Last time I ran Templar with bad gear I got 38k, never got my best in slot gear and then they increased spell cost so I've been running a Stamplar with alkosh/nightmothers

You can't proc kena on a dual wield bar, where did you get that information? You can only proc it with Dark Flare.

You do realize that this doesn't change the fact that TBS outperforms Julianos, right?

I was doing close to 38k DPS on my stamplar semi-derping at daily gold, 38k DPS is far from competitive these days.

Tested TBS vs NMG-Hundings and TBS vs Julianos personally in different environment.

Came to the conclusion like most of theorycrafters have agreed upon: TBS is superior on templars and nightblades. Whether magicka or stamina.

Even for VMA runs I don't bother to swap out TBS, because it has no real drawbacks vs Julianos even in solo play. It basically becomes equal to Julianos when you are solo, but definitely more powerful in group environment.

So I don't know where you get your data and info from...

Polysemy · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

I'll post a video instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtK5RS5hXlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

Last time I ran Templar with bad gear I got 38k, never got my best in slot gear and then they increased spell cost so I've been running a Stamplar with alkosh/nightmothers

You can't proc kena on a dual wield bar, where did you get that information? You can only proc it with Dark Flare.

You do realize that this doesn't change the fact that TBS outperforms Julianos, right?

I was doing close to 38k DPS on my stamplar semi-derping at daily gold, 38k DPS is far from competitive these days.

Tested TBS vs NMG-Hundings and TBS vs Julianos personally in different environment.

Came to the conclusion like most of theorycrafters have agreed upon: TBS is superior on templars and nightblades. Whether magicka or stamina.

Even for VMA runs I don't bother to swap out TBS, because it has no real drawbacks vs Julianos even in solo play. It basically becomes equal to Julianos when you are solo, but definitely more powerful in group environment.

So I don't know where you get your data and info from...

Oh dear god are we talking about pledge DPS now

hedna123b14_ESO · June 2016

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

I'll post a video instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtK5RS5hXlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

Last time I ran Templar with bad gear I got 38k, never got my best in slot gear and then they increased spell cost so I've been running a Stamplar with alkosh/nightmothers

You can't proc kena on a dual wield bar, where did you get that information? You can only proc it with Dark Flare.

You do realize that this doesn't change the fact that TBS outperforms Julianos, right?

I was doing close to 38k DPS on my stamplar semi-derping at daily gold, 38k DPS is far from competitive these days.

Tested TBS vs NMG-Hundings and TBS vs Julianos personally in different environment.

Came to the conclusion like most of theorycrafters have agreed upon: TBS is superior on templars and nightblades. Whether magicka or stamina.

Even for VMA runs I don't bother to swap out TBS, because it has no real drawbacks vs Julianos even in solo play. It basically becomes equal to Julianos when you are solo, but definitely more powerful in group environment.

So I don't know where you get your data and info from...

Hey gets his data from testing and is the same conclusions others came to when they tested. They don't watch other players play the game, they theorycraft on their own...

Vinther · June 2016

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

First of all you have no idea what you are talking about

Second of all @Nifty2g is a top tier raider and someone who has beat out EU patch after patch in vDSA and Trials

Third TBS is only better then julianos or whatever equivalent with a 40% uptime on CHD from AW and the man himself can confirm that as he is the one who figured it out for me @Asayre

TL;DR Wheres your proof?
TL;DR Who the *** are you?

Hey calm down fanboi xD

Afaik, EU still has the world firsts in trials and world 1st top scores in vMA thanks to our man @andy.s

So what's up