Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

I'll post a video instead
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtK5RS5hXlc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPjjggPsnG4

Last time I ran Templar with bad gear I got 38k, never got my best in slot gear and then they increased spell cost so I've been running a Stamplar with alkosh/nightmothers

You can't proc kena on a dual wield bar, where did you get that information? You can only proc it with Dark Flare.

You do realize that this doesn't change the fact that TBS outperforms Julianos, right?

I was doing close to 38k DPS on my stamplar semi-derping at daily gold, 38k DPS is far from competitive these days.

Tested TBS vs NMG-Hundings and TBS vs Julianos personally in different environment.

Came to the conclusion like most of theorycrafters have agreed upon: TBS is superior on templars and nightblades. Whether magicka or stamina.

Even for VMA runs I don't bother to swap out TBS, because it has no real drawbacks vs Julianos even in solo play. It basically becomes equal to Julianos when you are solo, but definitely more powerful in group environment.

So I don't know where you get your data and info from...

I don't know why you are disagreeing with me I have everything to back it up with, TBS is really not great with Templar, there is too much CHD going on. Most of the people have gotten their data from me...

It does change the fact, you are arguing against data provided by Asayre for TBS and Julianos for Templars,

As for VMA, I am #1 on both NA and EU


Twice Born Star in VMA is absolute garbage

Vinther wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey gets his data from testing and is the same conclusions others came to when they tested. They don't watch other players play the game, they theorycraft on their own...

Another fanboi...

Where do you take it from that I don't come to my own conclusions? I just wrote that I've gone through the same testing.

I have an access to basically every single piece of gear needed for thorough testing and the know-how.

The dungeon DPS derping was just a proof that 38k DPS is basically considered low-end in today's meta.

A bunch of people talking and talking, but not showing me any decent 45k+ parses, whilst people who claim the opposite are showing numbers up to 50k

This is boring.

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Vinther wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Hey gets his data from testing and is the same conclusions others came to when they tested. They don't watch other players play the game, they theorycraft on their own...

Another fanboi...

Where do you take it from that I don't come to my own conclusions? I just wrote that I've gone through the same testing.

I have an access to basically every single piece of gear needed for thorough testing and the know-how.

The dungeon DPS derping was just a proof that 38k DPS is basically considered low-end in today's meta.

A bunch of people talking and talking, but not showing me any decent 45k+ parses, whilst people who claim the opposite are showing numbers up to 50k

This is boring.

We arent fanboys lol we are his friends and know that he is far more knowledgable then you...

Especially when you start talking about DPS you did in a pledge as if the dungeon in that rotation are any sort of weightable thing to look at for DPS I could do 50k DPS on my stam sorc on most bosses but that doesnt mean I do that in a trial.. I mean I do but still not a good estimation

TL;DR Git Gud

Vinther wrote: »

@Alcast @IWM @andy.s @Latter must be all wrong to use TBS over Julianos/Hundings according to the geniuses at NA then.

Fine, I'll go deconstruct now.

I'm not saying Alcasts build is bad, I featured it in my guide. I like his idea I think it's good, but I don't think it's the best. There are about 4 options for a Templar to run and it's difficult to pinpoint them, but personally I do not find TBS the best on a Templar, and with testings done with Asayre and that information has been passed out. I don't see why you think so

I'm just saying, it seems like you started an argument with people you didn't know who they were and then backed off and tagged other people in.

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Please...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D5NO3SwrzM

578.9k score

We were talking about general scores, not class scores.

@andy.s did 563k on magplar and does not even play the class regularly.

Look at the title of the thread, Templars. This thread is about Templars.

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

First of all you have no idea what you are talking about

Second of all @Nifty2g is a top tier raider and someone who has beat out EU patch after patch in vDSA and Trials

Third TBS is only better then julianos or whatever equivalent with a 40% uptime on CHD from AW and the man himself can confirm that as he is the one who figured it out for me @Asayre

TL;DR Wheres your proof?
TL;DR Who the *** are you?

Hey calm down fanboi xD

Afaik, EU still has the world firsts in trials and world 1st top scores in vMA thanks to our man @andy.s

So what's up

I believe my friend Jace has beaten Andy in everything on VMA

I'll link his 580 Nightblade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK-ziEoc3Pw

Vinther wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Oh is this about Epeen? In that case look at the size of mine! http://m.imgur.com/KdRU3Ac

Dungeon DPS doesn't show anything. I pull high 40's while healing in dungeons it doesn't matter. Point is mathematically and testing wise, TBS is inferior to Juli.

This parse is ESPECIALLY BAD because it's an AOE parse and only 50k DPS looool.

OH god, you guys are a funny bunch indeed xD

I'm loving this, so first it's not good enough because I have no visual proof, next it's not good enough because itshe AoE (even though the fight is 2.7 minutes long and the AoE portion is 10 seconds...Ok here is a 50k+ parse.
http://m.imgur.com/fUWCYzZ
Please tell me what you dont like here:)

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Alcast @IWM @andy.s @Latter must be all wrong to use TBS over Julianos/Hundings according to the geniuses at NA then.

Fine, I'll go deconstruct now.

I'm not saying Alcasts build is bad, I featured it in my guide. I like his idea I think it's good, but I don't think it's the best. There are about 4 options for a Templar to run and it's difficult to pinpoint them, but personally I do not find TBS the best on a Templar, and with testings done with Asayre and that information has been passed out. I don't see why you think so

I'm just saying, it seems like you started an argument with people you didn't know who they were and then backed off and tagged other people in.

Give me one good build on magplar or magblade using Julianos that outperforms same spec using TBS? In trial environment as that's what counts. (not your friend showing 50k DPS aoe parses xD)

When have I talked about Nightblades? I didn't

5 Julianos, 5 Moondancer, 2 Willpower is most likely the strongest a Templar can run, I got another one but I don't want to post it till I get some parses on it.

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Please...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-D5NO3SwrzM

578.9k score

We were talking about general scores, not class scores.

@andy.s did 563k on magplar and does not even play the class regularly.

Look at the title of the thread, Templars. This thread is about Templars.

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

@Nifty2g

Do you realize that AW is actually directly increasing your CURRENT CHD damage by 30%?

The more you have prior to AW the more you get out of it.

TBS is ideal of stamplars, stamblades, magplar, magblades for that very reason. It outperforms Julianos/Hundings even in 4mans and solo play.

There has been extensive theorycrafting done in order to reach this conclusion. It's verified by top tier raiders who are constantly looking to min/max their builds.

You can keep Kena up very easily on dw bar, you weave LA after every jab channel anyway and you can do quick doubleweave to proc Kena w/o losing any amount of considerable DPS.

I'm not sure who you are, but before you show me your vMoL achievements and 45k+ DPS parses running Julianos, I'll just take your information as void.

TL;DR Proof or it didn't happen.

First of all you have no idea what you are talking about

Second of all @Nifty2g is a top tier raider and someone who has beat out EU patch after patch in vDSA and Trials

Third TBS is only better then julianos or whatever equivalent with a 40% uptime on CHD from AW and the man himself can confirm that as he is the one who figured it out for me @Asayre

TL;DR Wheres your proof?
TL;DR Who the *** are you?

Hey calm down fanboi xD

Afaik, EU still has the world firsts in trials and world 1st top scores in vMA thanks to our man @andy.s

So what's up

I believe my friend Jace has beaten Andy in everything on VMA

I'll link his 580 Nightblade
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UK-ziEoc3Pw

This video proves nothing as it's only the last 2 minutes.

There's people running equal scores with Cheat Engine. Full run or it didn't happen.

I just... can't with this response. Just stop

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

Can you please show any proof that you can even break 35k with a templar period? All you're doing is tagging top players. Do you yourself have anything to show, or are you just repeating what the good players are saying?

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

Can you please show any proof that you can even break 35k with a templar period? All you're doing is tagging top players. Do you yourself have anything to show, or are you just repeating what the good players are saying?

Please.

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

TL;DR Stam NB 48-50k DPS pver 2 minutes Stam dk 50-52k DPS over 2 minutes

Keep tripping over yourself you dumb ***

That means Stam DK is absolutely better than Stam NB?
All I claimed is that Stamblade is ON BAR with Stam DK.
You can do + / - 2k DPS with each -.-

You're a complete genius! Go back to the drawing board.

1. We are talking about DPS and stam dk is markedly higher then stam nb
2. Its On par, not on bar......

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Polysemy wrote: »

Vinther wrote: »

Nifty2g wrote: »

There is no Templars getting upwards to 50k, because everyone is playing a stamina dk

Why would they play only stam dk when stamblade can get equal parses now?

HODOR FANBOY RIGHT HERE

HOLD THE DOOR

Stam DK is better and if you paid attention to anything you would knwo that

You are outdated yet again. Stamblade is on bar with Stam DK now.

@YoloWizard can confirm.

I think you guys should just stop arguing now because right now what you are saying in TL;DR:

TBS is absolute garbage and Julianos/Hundings is better.
NA beats EU in all Trials.
NA has world record of vMA.

Only proof you provide:

TBS vs Julianos = only that @Asayre said that Julianos outperforms TBS SLIGHTLY by less than 2% on A SORC.
38k DPS parse video
2 minute clip of the vMA ending.

Can you please show any proof that you can even break 35k with a templar period? All you're doing is tagging top players. Do you yourself have anything to show, or are you just repeating what the good players are saying?

I don't think he realises what goes on during an end game raid... I can most likely pull over 35k on both TBS and Julianos, but in practice and on paper are a lot different than each other, if you say what is better between TBS and Julianos, I will tell you Julianos is better but if you have a set of TBS don't worry about upgrading to Julianos. As I said in my thread

I am going to be honest, Templar has a lot of choices right now, and it is extremely hard to pin point which is the best set up, but these are my 3 top choices if you have the chances.

In terms of what gear set up you should be running, I am going to say give Alcasts a shot because all of his gear is crafted and really good if you have no interest in farming for the right gear and perfect traits etc. Remember all of these builds are pretty close to each other, and very hard to say which is actually the best build.

Tagging a bunch of players to give their words in what is the best just doesn't work. You're just trying to turn it into an argument between players, but I highly doubt those guys are going to come in here and have an argument with us as we talk to them weekly.
Most of us are too stubborn to try out their builds and they stick to their, which is totally fine. I still want to try Alcasts out though

Vinther wrote: »

hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »

@Nifty2g I'm going to bed now, but it looks like this guy just quotes people instead of putting forth any proof that he even remotely knows what he is talking about, I'd just ignore him henceforth...

@Nifty2g I'm going to brush my teeth, should we change Twitter follows or how does this work?

I wanna be your fanboi too!

Lol, what proof I have not put forth? There's enough proof going around by the best raiders of EU backing these claims. I am not recording anything because there's people more dedicated than me doing it and I leave it for them.

No you're just trying to cause arguments between us, we all know each other and what we do. We know what builds are better from others and we have our own builds we run and tell the community because we don't all run each others cookie cutter builds. Most of them like I have said are very close to each other. But don't come in and tell us we are wrong.