Seriously!! Gold Coast so easy what is the point?

LBxFinalDeath · June 2016

Easy? Yes.

Playable? No.

Loading screens and crashes 24/7 on consolol.

Funny enough PvP is near flawless for some reason.

mike_de · June 2016

ArchMikem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Because 99% of the game is stupidly easy because casual's complained too much, instead of just adapting to the game and actually have to think.

I initially wanted to get into this whole debate with you over your passively insulting statement about players and the way they choose to experience this game, but I really hate debates in general and I know it'd result in nothing more than a frustrated migraine. So I'll just resort to this.

U mad bro?

Nah, it's only the usual munchkin powergamer, complaining the game is too easy for them. Ruining the fun for 95% of the normal players, if the devs listen to them, let the game die faster than patients with ebola on speed.

Birdovic · June 2016

@mike_de

Dont want to act like a forum mod or something, but that last part in your sentence should really be edited, ouch.

MaKTaiL · June 2016

The whole point of the DLCs for me is seeing a good story, not struggling to play it. That's why I haven't touched vMSA.

Jaronking · June 2016

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

In the overall context of things, with One Tamriel, this game becomes more about enjoying the game with friends, Exploration, and the storyline/lore of The Elder Scrolls.

For ZOS, their target for openworld content is not meant to be challenging - its about learning the story, learning the lore, exploring the world, seeing new things.

ZOS do provide a Hardcore challenge in the shape of Trials and Vet dungeons. There is challenging content in the game, but its roped off into the above.

No they don't because they Nerf all of that content so casual players can finish them.Recently they nerfed WGT and ICP because not enough causal players have completed it.

Pangnirtung · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Nah who even pve's anymore.

You mean everyone is PVPing? That might be why the Gold Coast is so crowded these days?

danno8 · June 2016

I would like to see at least Craglorn level of difficulty (scaled up to CP160). In Craglorn you can still be one-shot by archers or swarmed by those wasps if you are not careful. It is a good balance for all players.

Player power has grown so much in the last year or so, mobs haven't really kept up. Anyone remember original vet levels?

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

mike_de wrote: »

Nah, it's only the usual munchkin powergamer, complaining the game is too easy for them. Ruining the fun for 95% of the normal players, if the devs listen to them, let the game die faster than patients with ebola on speed.
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I'm going to spin your comment on its head so you can see how loaded, opinionated and insulting it is.

"Nah, it's only the usual munchkin care bear, complaining the game is too difficult for them. Ruining the fun for 95% of the normal players, if the devs listen to them, let the game die faster than patients with xxxxx on speed."

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

mark.sinclair4rwb17_ESO wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Because 99% of the game is stupidly easy because casual's complained too much, instead of just adapting to the game and actually have to think.

This is something I noticed after playing beta/release then coming back a few weeks ago, my son and I started new characters and we are blitzing through it, it's far too easy, we don't need to concern ourselves with strategy to take down a tough mob, no need for potions nor to keep our gear up to our level, no need to use a certain element against a creature who is vulnerable to it, click a few buttons and it's dead, it has just become too themepark, back in release, I died a lot, it forced me to think.
So my boy has gone back to Skyrim and I'm just enjoying the storyline, there is little satisfaction and zero challenge.

Exactly this, Thanks insighfull

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

Bonzodog01 wrote: »

In the overall context of things, with One Tamriel, this game becomes more about enjoying the game with friends, Exploration, and the storyline/lore of The Elder Scrolls.

For ZOS, their target for openworld content is not meant to be challenging - its about learning the story, learning the lore, exploring the world, seeing new things.

ZOS do provide a Hardcore challenge in the shape of Trials and Vet dungeons. There is challenging content in the game, but its roped off into the above.

Evidence please, where have Zos stated this.

Ishammael · June 2016

Nifty2g wrote: »

SO is kinda hard with all that random poison and stacked aoes

Agreed.

SO, ICP, WGT, and VMA are the only pieces of content that I would consider challenging at this point -- and only snipets of each.

Taleof2Cities · June 2016

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

TBH I wouldn't put myself in the top 0.1%. I haven't finished vet Arena, city of ash, Maw vet and a lot of other content. Alsthough I do enjoy raiding with my pve guild, pvp with friends and Im a GM of an established trade guild. So I would class myself as an average player.

Gil.Galad wrote: »

Have you also done the world bosses?

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I did a big minotaur solo. took a quite few goes because of deaths and he kept resetting. It was mildly entertaining.

Very sorry to hear that you consider yourself an "average player" even though you are (other than a few deaths) soloing the world bosses in Gold Coast. Do you honestly think that the average player solos world bosses in the DLC content?

There has been some discussion in the forums about improving the difficulty for players (including possibly a difficulty slider). But so far that's only discussion in the forums. ZOS's history of nerfing content, most recently WGT and ICP, does not indicate major DLC patches will be challenging in the near term.

So, the best advice is to take a look at some good options the other forum-goers (including myself) have posted here in this thread ... and think critically about what they've said.

Or, you can ignore that advice ... which would be continuing on with this rant thread (Thread Title: Seriously!! Gold Coast so easy what is the point?) and cherry picking the player responses you're opposed to with a rebuttal.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Instead of "casuals" getting mad at hardcore players for wanting a challenge, and instead of "hardcore" gamers getting mad at casuals for asking for absolutely everything to be nerfed, can we all agree that they should implement a normal and vet version of each zone, letting you zone into it how you want and getting the challenge you desire? Dare I say "implement true play how you want"

Bouldercleave · June 2016

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I did a big minotaur solo. took a quite few goes because of deaths and he kept resetting. It was mildly entertaining.

How can you complain about stuff being too easy when you don't even solo it in one or two attempts?
...

It's meant to be a world boss i.e. group content and therefore faceroll if attempted by a group. To deprecate me for being honest enough to say that when I did this solo it took a few attempts feels somewhat extreme.

A wandering Minotaur (or Minotaur Shaman) on the gold cost is NOT group content, nor is it a world boss. Not even close.

I solo them all the time, and I'm a gimp PVE carebear that has outdated gear. If you want a fight, go look for a REAL fight, not some overland trash mob.

Saucy_Jack · June 2016

The really funny part to me is that you have so many people are complaining about the ease of new content, but you also have a lot of the same people wishing they had upped the CP cap.

Quit talking out of both sides of your mouth, for crying out loud!

(For the record, I'm not saying the OP himself was complaining about the CP cap, but I've heard/seen multiple people who faceroll current content complaining that the CP cap wasn't increased, and then complaining about how they currently faceroll everything.)

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

The really funny part to me is that you have so many people are complaining about the ease of new content, but you also have a lot of the same people wishing they had upped the CP cap.

Quit talking out of both sides of your mouth, for crying out loud!

(For the record, I'm not saying the OP himself was complaining about the CP cap, but I've heard/seen multiple people who faceroll current content complaining that the CP cap wasn't increased, and then complaining about how they currently faceroll everything.)

Yeah but you can also kind of understand. The content is objectively easy, which you can feel about how you do. I'd personally like a normal/vet slider on each zone. But also once you reach CP cap it's like, well now what? I can't progress anymore. if they'd implement normal and vet versions of each zone, then everyone could be happy and the cp cap could be raised.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO · June 2016

the content is not made for 501 cp. respec your cp and keep 0 allocated if your unhappy. they will always cater to new players so if your going to min max a character and complain the game is easy, get ready to complain forever.

ADarklore · June 2016

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well what do you expect in a game meant and made for casual players?

If you want hard content, do vMoL HM or go PvP (not in a rofl zerg though). Those are the only challenging places left.

Yes and I do.

What I expect is some decent content with my DLC so as a customer my expectations are not being met at all.

So... YOUR expectations should be taken into consideration over the majority of players in the game? Here is a suggestion, get a bunch of money together and create your OWN game... that way you can scale the content any way you want. Until then, ESO has to scale the content to appeal to the maximum amount of players possible... and just an FYI, Matt Firor just stated that they're going to this 'small content DLC' system now because it appeals more to casuals.

Elvent · June 2016

leepalmer95 wrote: »

ArchMikem wrote: »

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Because 99% of the game is stupidly easy because casual's complained too much, instead of just adapting to the game and actually have to think.

I initially wanted to get into this whole debate with you over your passively insulting statement about players and the way they choose to experience this game, but I really hate debates in general and I know it'd result in nothing more than a frustrated migraine. So I'll just resort to this.

U mad bro?

Nah who even pve's anymore.

Probably 90% of the player base, that's who.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well what do you expect in a game meant and made for casual players?

If you want hard content, do vMoL HM or go PvP (not in a rofl zerg though). Those are the only challenging places left.

Yes and I do.

What I expect is some decent content with my DLC so as a customer my expectations are not being met at all.

So... YOUR expectations should be taken into consideration over the majority of players in the game? Here is a suggestion, get a bunch of money together and create your OWN game... that way you can scale the content any way you want. Until then, ESO has to scale the content to appeal to the maximum amount of players possible... and just an FYI, Matt Firor just stated that they're going to this 'small content DLC' system now because it appeals more to casuals.

His assessment of the player base is no more informed than yours. None of us have any idea of what the majority of the player base spends their time doing. I'd be more inclined to suspect the average player participates 50/50 in PVP and PVE. None of us have any numbers informing us of what the majority does. So let's not disparage others. All of this can be quite easily solved by implementing a normal/vet system for zones. The starter zone should be always normal, and then players have the choice to challenge themselves with vet and be rewarded with slightly better gear, or normal depending on their skill level just like the other dungeons.

I'm so tired of parsing Matt's statement, because while he did say that he said nothing of how it got that way. You're just as right to argue that's what players want as I am to argue that's how they behave out of necessity because of game design.

Wrecking_Blow_Spam · June 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

PvE is where its at. At least ZOS cares about us

ZOS only cares about Money £££ $$$
€€€. They cater to the majority for bigger profits/ stats etc.

Troneon · June 2016

The lack of actual multiplayer content in DLC's is what I don't understand.....one trial ...and then nothing but easy mode solo content...

Bouldercleave · June 2016

Wrecking_Blow_Spam wrote: »

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

PvE is where its at. At least ZOS cares about us

ZOS only cares about Money £££ $$$
€€€. They cater to the majority for bigger profits/ stats etc.

That's because ZOS is a business, not a charity. In this type of business, you take as much as you can before people move on to the next big thing. No matter how good the game is, there is another one in the pipeline that will take over.

A prime example is Facebook - Anyone still have a MySpace account???

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

Taleof2Cities wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

TBH I wouldn't put myself in the top 0.1%. I haven't finished vet Arena, city of ash, Maw vet and a lot of other content. Alsthough I do enjoy raiding with my pve guild, pvp with friends and Im a GM of an established trade guild. So I would class myself as an average player.

Gil.Galad wrote: »

Have you also done the world bosses?

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I did a big minotaur solo. took a quite few goes because of deaths and he kept resetting. It was mildly entertaining.

Very sorry to hear that you consider yourself an "average player" even though you are (other than a few deaths) soloing the world bosses in Gold Coast. Do you honestly think that the average player solos world bosses in the DLC content?

There has been some discussion in the forums about improving the difficulty for players (including possibly a difficulty slider). But so far that's only discussion in the forums. ZOS's history of nerfing content, most recently WGT and ICP, does not indicate major DLC patches will be challenging in the near term.

So, the best advice is to take a look at some good options the other forum-goers (including myself) have posted here in this thread ... and think critically about what they've said.

Or, you can ignore that advice ... which would be continuing on with this rant thread (Thread Title: Seriously!! Gold Coast so easy what is the point?) and cherry picking the player responses you're opposed to with a rebuttal.

Thansk for nice post. unfortunately forum threads like newspapers need a provocative headline to attract interest for and against

Also soloing that world boss took over an hour and many repairs / pots / skill swaps to achieve. It was the only fun I had in Gold Coast I'm sad to say apart from naked boxing the minotaurs.

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Instead of "casuals" getting mad at hardcore players for wanting a challenge, and instead of "hardcore" gamers getting mad at casuals for asking for absolutely everything to be nerfed, can we all agree that they should implement a normal and vet version of each zone, letting you zone into it how you want and getting the challenge you desire? Dare I say "implement true play how you want"

Or create content in a zone for all playstyles as when the game launched, which will require the entire player community to be grown up enough to accept without cries of nerf or complaints of faceroll

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Grabmoore wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

I did a big minotaur solo. took a quite few goes because of deaths and he kept resetting. It was mildly entertaining.

How can you complain about stuff being too easy when you don't even solo it in one or two attempts?
...

It's meant to be a world boss i.e. group content and therefore faceroll if attempted by a group. To deprecate me for being honest enough to say that when I did this solo it took a few attempts feels somewhat extreme.

A wandering Minotaur (or Minotaur Shaman) on the gold cost is NOT group content, nor is it a world boss. Not even close.

I solo them all the time, and I'm a gimp PVE carebear that has outdated gear. If you want a fight, go look for a REAL fight, not some overland trash mob.

no the big bugger in the dungeon not the wandering lowbies. The wandering lowbies are what I beat with my fists wearing no armour to see what happened.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Instead of "casuals" getting mad at hardcore players for wanting a challenge, and instead of "hardcore" gamers getting mad at casuals for asking for absolutely everything to be nerfed, can we all agree that they should implement a normal and vet version of each zone, letting you zone into it how you want and getting the challenge you desire? Dare I say "implement true play how you want"

Or create content in a zone for all playstyles as when the game launched, which will require the entire player community to be grown up enough to accept without cries of nerf or complaints of faceroll

Yeah but I just think that's highly unlikely. People will complain regardless, I just think you could get closer to a consensus by implementing the normal/vet thing, with the added benefit of hopefully reducing lag when one Tamriel is implemented by partitioning the population between normal and vet.

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

Saucy_Jack wrote: »

The really funny part to me is that you have so many people are complaining about the ease of new content, but you also have a lot of the same people wishing they had upped the CP cap.

Quit talking out of both sides of your mouth, for crying out loud!

(For the record, I'm not saying the OP himself was complaining about the CP cap, but I've heard/seen multiple people who faceroll current content complaining that the CP cap wasn't increased, and then complaining about how they currently faceroll everything.)

Good point but CP were introduced by the devs and not the players and people worked very hard to get them and create an optimum build. Its not surprising that they then want to immerse themselves in open world with those CP.

You work hard to buy a fancy car, you wanna see it roar up the motorway / freewayy !

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

ADarklore wrote: »

martinhpb16_ESO wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

Well what do you expect in a game meant and made for casual players?

If you want hard content, do vMoL HM or go PvP (not in a rofl zerg though). Those are the only challenging places left.

Yes and I do.

What I expect is some decent content with my DLC so as a customer my expectations are not being met at all.

So... YOUR expectations should be taken into consideration over the majority of players in the game? Here is a suggestion, get a bunch of money together and create your OWN game... that way you can scale the content any way you want. Until then, ESO has to scale the content to appeal to the maximum amount of players possible... and just an FYI, Matt Firor just stated that they're going to this 'small content DLC' system now because it appeals more to casuals.

With all due respect - how do you know what the majority want? We can all quote the majority. If as you say "ESO has to scale the content to appeal to the maximum amount of players possible." then why is it set at such a low difficulty bar? Also from this thread alone as a straw pole you can see that the DLC is not appealing to everyone and that includes self proffessed "casuals".

martinhpb16_ESO · June 2016

Troneon wrote: »

The lack of actual multiplayer content in DLC's is what I don't understand.....one trial ...and then nothing but easy mode solo content...

The devs demonstrated real vision when they created Craglorn as an adventure zone. Delves and content to do with groups and randoms from 2-4/ We also had some good old fashioned xp level grinding with large zergs.

Sadly the zergs got nerfed because of forums and then others complained because they expected to be able to do the whole game solo and without being at max. And that was the end of that.

The "majority", appeal to everyone argument gets bandied about so much that what we end up with is vanilla content all set at a low difficulty level, whic for some is boring, rather than there being something for everyone.

Whilst craglorn wasnt perfect there were some glorious times to be had when it was current. If only the community had allowed the devs to run with their original ideas and develop craglorn as a zone who knows what options we would have now.

Sadly what we see time and time again is some players who argue the "casual" cause (sorry if that term offends anyone) actually being some of the most vociferous and passive aggressive players on the forums and not allowing variety or tiers of difficulty for open world content.