EllieBlue wrote: »

There is a big change that came with the latest patch. Guild members without hiring/bidding right for the guild are no longer able to see the bid amount, even after the bid has close. It used to be that it would be shown on the bank history after bid close. This is no longer possible. So perhaps, its as blind as it could be now. This is a good thing, I think.

But it isn't in any way blind, and is in fact FAR less transparent for a guild's membership. I'm not a fan of this change at all.

As you bid during the week, the gold is still coming out of your guild bank. Which means that anyone paying attention can still figure out what you're bidding. All this change has done is make it so the guild membership isn't able to easily see that their investments are being used wisely. On top of that, for any guild that wants to operate with as much transparency as possible to their members, we are now forced to do that outside the game and its systems, creating more work in an area of the game where there is already very little support within the game itself.

This change does absolutely nothing to adress the issue of bid spying. The only way to effectively address that issue is for the system to hold the gold "in escrow", but not remove it from the guild bank until Monday, at trader reset time.

As to the bid time itself, I live on the West Coast. During the winter, I am up at 3:30 in the morning. That sucks, but at least there is time between maintenance and bid close to secure a back up trader when that is necessary. Now that Daylight Savings Time is back, this is no longer possible. I'm not sure how other guilds adjust for this, but for my guild it means that the other co-GM had to adjust his work schedule to be available on Monday when the server comes back online.

The bidding could close at virtually any other time, and this wouldn't be an issue. This change would be actually beneficial, rather than the change to bid viewing which does absolutely nothing to address a problem.

We need a option to allow Members to WITHDRAW only a maximum amount of items per day, this will prevent Members from stealing everything in the Guild Bank

An overhaul of the guild trader cartel system would be best.

For the mail there is a newly published addon that helps with that! Check out
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1358-GodSend.html#info

Actually part of the purpose of the guild mail tools would be that it

Taisynn wrote: »

NO on the Guild Mail tool. I had one guild who spammed our mail and notifications over 5 times a day. Having a guild trader wasn't worth the annoyance.

Actually part of the purpose of the guild mail tools would be that it could LIMIT the amount of spams. Instead of addons that allow anyone in the guild to spam everyone as often as they like. If the tool was built in it could be limited to only guild leaders and I suggested a limit of how many mails per day.

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

For the mail there is a newly published addon that helps with that! Check out
http://www.esoui.com/downloads/info1358-GodSend.html#info

This is great.. Thank You!

Glaiceana wrote: »

It's a tie between Calendar and Mail system. But due to the unique way my guild runs, I had to go with mail. Since guildies mail me to say when they have given their free werewolf bite and that is how I count all bites and rank people up in the guild. I need a system where this mail will not be deleted in the chance that I'm away for a few days, mail is deleted way too fast. And also 30 mail slots is WAY too small for people managing guilds.

On the other side, a calendar would be amazing for events and meetups. Especially if it had a tick box counter sort of thing where people will say they can attend or not.

A tip for the meantime to deal with the mailbox. Have your members include an item with the mails. Such as a gnawed bone, or a lockpick or anything really. You can make it part of the RP, but a mail with an item will stay for 30 days instead of 3

30 mail slots is WAYYY too few, particularly with all the system mails. ;(

ElfFromSpace wrote: »

Glaiceana wrote: »

It's a tie between Calendar and Mail system. But due to the unique way my guild runs, I had to go with mail. Since guildies mail me to say when they have given their free werewolf bite and that is how I count all bites and rank people up in the guild. I need a system where this mail will not be deleted in the chance that I'm away for a few days, mail is deleted way too fast. And also 30 mail slots is WAY too small for people managing guilds.

On the other side, a calendar would be amazing for events and meetups. Especially if it had a tick box counter sort of thing where people will say they can attend or not.

A tip for the meantime to deal with the mailbox. Have your members include an item with the mails. Such as a gnawed bone, or a lockpick or anything really. You can make it part of the RP, but a mail with an item will stay for 30 days instead of 3

30 mail slots is WAYYY too few, particularly with all the system mails. ;(

That is a great suggestion actually! Thank you, perhaps if I am going away for a bit and won't be able to get into the game, I could just make an update to the info asking if people can attach something for the mean time. Can even send the items straight back once I'm home again

I posted this earlier in the Armchair Developer section


Guild Social Tools

A set of tools to help create more social events.

Guild bulletin board: In each Tavern there is a bulletin board that you can access small notes left by players, maybe with responses. Each note will have a expiration date.

Guild calendar: A calendar can be accesses by the players in the Guild Menu. Here is where guild leaders can post meetups. You could also have it give you a reminder of events.

Guild Tithe button: Allows certain guilds to require/suggest/volunteer a monthly/weekly/or one time donation. There would then be a list of members who have donated and who did not (or how much they did donate).

Voting: Allows the guild leaders to post a message with a vote attached. The votes could be public or kept private.

Guild website hosted by ZeN: allow each guild (maybe with a certain numbers of members) to have a guild page on the Zens site. This would have some of the features above, but would also let people interact while not in the game.
Calendar, bulletin, voting: the above features could be access via the web.

Personal Crafting Writs: a player could post what type of item they would like crafted for a fee, and another guild member could take the writ and compete it.

Post your character: Have an interactive page where you can post your character for others to see. Keep the stats, skills, equipment private, or let it be public for others to research your build.

Fan Art: a place for people to post fan art.


Bi-Monthly Guild Meetups:

Up to twice a month a guild may hold a meetup in a small instant area. This area would encourage socializing, and/or staging of a group activity. Maybe there are three of these instances themed differently but with the same functions.

Beer Garden: serving virtual drinks, playing music, dance floor, and multiple area chat channels so the conversation doesn’t get too chaotic.

Pub Games: as i mentioned above in the “Tavern” post. Some card and dice games that can be played.

Stage and Broadcast Channel: A staging area and a special channel that only the Guild Leaders can join to broadcast from. This special channel can be heard by all players in the meetup. This will allow Guild leaders to be able to stand up on a stage or platform and give announcements or talk to all members without distraction.

Event Horse Track: Surrounding the meetup area is a horse track that can be raced with guild members. Maybe obstacles in the track change per race.


https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3l2gRydqxZnLXFBSFhCSmQwc1E/view

Edited by m0riarty23 on March 28, 2016 12:04PM

m0riarty23 wrote: »

I posted this earlier in the Armchair Developer section
Guild Tithe button: Allows certain guilds to require/suggest/volunteer a monthly/weekly/or one time donation. There would then be a list of members who have donated and who did not (or how much they did donate).

There are some addons that can display this info in the roster.

Voting: Allows the guild leaders to post a message with a vote attached. The votes could be public or kept private.

Bi-Monthly Guild Meetups:

Up to twice a month a guild may hold a meetup in a small instant area. This area would encourage socializing, and/or staging of a group activity. Maybe there are three of these instances themed differently but with the same functions.

Nice list! I like the idea of polls in the mails!

Also the meetups, I hope will be available if/when they make guild halls. Those halls could include a bar and most of the other options! Guild meetings would be really great and we've asked them for this several times.

Just add a grande exchange and let guilds be guilds which will eliminate almost all the complaints stated by op.

frateanu.luiseb17_ESO wrote: »

Besides Guild Stores we need a REAL Guild System with Guild Missions ( PVE or PVP ), Guild Halls, Guild Upgrades ( like special bank or special Crafting Stations) . There are many games where ZOS can inspire .

Look at guild system of GW2: https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Guild_upgrade

Yeah, that was one of the suggestions. I'd love to see PVE or PVP contests. It would not be at all hard. Give guilds a week and the one whose members generate the most total AP wins. This would encourage guilds to drum up their whole membership and teach players to PVP better. Or the guild who completes the most undaunted pledges in a week. Those sort of contests would drive overall activity and teamwork in the game. We already have leaderboards and emperor status to reward the top players

nudel wrote: »

I have already missed three guild events across two guilds this week alone because the time zone was not listed on the homepage and it took place several hours before it would be that time in my part of the world.

The staff has shown interest in adding a calendar feature, but it seems to be very low on the priorities.

I definitely wish there were improvements to the guild trader bid system. It's nearly cruel to guildmasters who have to lose sleep or take sick days to deal with bids in the morning. They pretty well have to bid because of two things: searching for open traders if a bid fails, and protecting bid information until the last second. The idea of backup bids would definitely go a long way in ensuring guilds have a fallback plan. Let guilds place bids on 3 spots, and if they don't win the highest bid, then the 2nd highest is in effect, and so on. This ensures only high bids win, and better shores up the gold sink effect of the bid system.

Additionally, the paranoia and protection of bid information is a major detraction from running a good guild. This is a problem since guild bank balances are public. I think a solution to this is to have a separate guild trader fund that is completely hidden from everyone except those with bidding access. This would allow bids to be in place early so bidders can rest a little easier and don't have to be worried about information leaking or missing the bid due to maintenance or a personal Internet/power outage.

JHartEllis wrote: »

Additionally, the paranoia and protection of bid information is a major detraction from running a good guild. This is a problem since guild bank balances are public. I think a solution to this is to have a separate guild trader fund that is completely hidden from everyone except those with bidding access. This would allow bids to be in place early so bidders can rest a little easier and don't have to be worried about information leaking or missing the bid due to maintenance or a personal Internet/power outage.

Actually the simple solution to this problem we suggested is that the gold simply doesn't leave the guild bank until the bid is won. The only concern of this is what if there's not enough gold to cover the bid. This is something most guildmasters can keep track of, but they could put in a stop that prevents withdrawing gold that is needed for a bid, or simply invalidate any bid that is impossible to make or even reduce the bid to match the guild bank even if that means another guild then wins.

As for splitting the permissions, YES PLEASE.