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✭✭3. The stamina build at 30% doesn't get healed to full by a single vigor tick, you're misunderstanding what you're seeing. It's more likely that their rally was below 10-15 seconds left and they got a fat burst heal from that. Vigor is a heal over time and doesn't have the capabilities to heal someone for 70% health in one tick.
Jules, that's the whole point.
I *know* vigor is a HOT and should not be capable of healing someone in one tick, yet it does. The guy casts nothing but vigor, and next second poof - full HP.
I could buy the 'he was just lucky and his rally that has been going on for a long time just expired' if it happened once. But over and over, every few seconds? Nah.
We know that the game client is trusted with dangerous data such as keeping track of a character's stored ultimate, which allows programs like CE to alter memory values for unlimited meteor spam. Is it so hard to believe the same client is also trusted with keeping track of character health, allowing CE to top out the health bar everytime vigor is cast?
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Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
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Thrasher91604✭✭✭✭✭The-Baconator wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »
Your first video is obvious cheating and no one in their right mind would say otherwise, but what you are describing is not even close to perma ulting and super jumping. The other two are simply lol worthy. A player gap closing onto a MILEGATE and a stam sorc running really fast? I have a guildie that runs an orc stam sorc with all possible speed boosting passives\mundus to troll and when he sprints he easily goes faster than that. This is why good players are laughing off your accusations, when you declare that the mere fact that something you deem suspicious occurred to you when the players reading your complaints do what your describing legitimately daily your not going to find much support.
Lol! The extremes people will go to deny cheating is remarkable. Ok the speed case MAY not have been cheating but you don't know that. The other 2 clearly were cheats or exploits, yet you deny cheating happens. Ridiculous.
Edited by Thrasher91604 on June 24, 2016 3:19AM1 -
Chori✭✭✭✭So many hypocrite people here, cheating is bad! cheating ruins games! witch hunt is horrible! But dont worry it is okay I still stand for all of that and in the meantime I will group with known hackers still!
I will sit around, watch them play and not condemn the fact that they are still in game after cheating and even some cases after being banned for it!
I dont give a damn who some people think they are here or how much smack you guys/girls talk to eachother, the fact YOU are still not condemning their stay at the game knowing how much they cheat/cheated or what they truly did is entirely disgusting and specially disrespectful for the clean community in PVP and also PVE because it affects both sides now. Karma will hit you back at the right time so don't come here looking for respect, you lost it already from me a nobody, but also many others as well.
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✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.
Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.
By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?
You guys need to go outside.
Actually you would both be arrested for shoplifting.
Of course, it's actually pretty hard to get arrested for shoplifting. Detain is the usual and it's all about how much you are caught shoplifting.
But, if you think you are walking away because you didn't actually take anything... you won't once you are sitting in the security office and they are making you sign a trespass if you come back piece of legal work. Then you will get a fine from the state in the mail that you have to pay... usually 75$.
In truth, the only way you "walk" is if you can easily argue that you didn't know. The fact that nearly every retail outlet has cameras and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act...
Btw many times shoplifters work in teams and only one of them has the goods. If you really think not having the goods means you get to walk... go give it a try.
Your logic is extremely flawed, much like the original analogy. And like Thrasher you added extra points into an analogy that specifically left them out.
I'm going to break this down for you real simple, since you and Thrasher apparently need the help.
This was the analogy presented to me.
"I have a suggestion for you. Go shopping at Walmart with someone who is shoplifting. Don't shoplift anything, just walk around with the person. Come back and let us know how that turned out for you." -Wreunt
"Don't shoplift anything, just walk around with the person" is the part I've highlighted.
So when you say things like, and I quote you from your message here.
"and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act..." -Rfennell
Not only is it irrelevant to the conversation at hand (see the original quoted analogy) since it was specified not to do anything, and since walking around a store is not knowingly participating in theft, the only thing anyone can say is out of assumption. Assumption based on the fact that you walked into a store as the same time as a thief.
That is flawed logic on your end, I should know having experience in loss prevention through tech stores.
Think about this, Is your argument here really that because you saw some guy on camera walking into a store at the same time as someone who came to steal, and you assume him to be a criminal based on that sole assumption? If you have no proof that he stole anything, which based on the original analogy that you misunderstood didn't happen..you have no proof.
Dude really? Edit* You really are mental if you think an assumption means fact, stop accusing Jules based off an assumption and without proof, you are a complete dunce if you think your baseless assumption holds any value, GTFO.
Best part of all the white knighting is that person in question has and probably still does cheat.
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✭✭✭✭✭3. The stamina build at 30% doesn't get healed to full by a single vigor tick, you're misunderstanding what you're seeing. It's more likely that their rally was below 10-15 seconds left and they got a fat burst heal from that. Vigor is a heal over time and doesn't have the capabilities to heal someone for 70% health in one tick.
Jules, that's the whole point.
I *know* vigor is a HOT and should not be capable of healing someone in one tick, yet it does. The guy casts nothing but vigor, and next second poof - full HP.
I could buy the 'he was just lucky and his rally that has been going on for a long time just expired' if it happened once. But over and over, every few seconds? Nah.
We know that the game client is trusted with dangerous data such as keeping track of a character's stored ultimate, which allows programs like CE to alter memory values for unlimited meteor spam. Is it so hard to believe the same client is also trusted with keeping track of character health, allowing CE to top out the health bar everytime vigor is cast?
video proof?
If i had a video, i would probably post it, but i do not record all my fights, and it does not happen all that often (thankfully). If you want someone else confirming the experience check post #167. Other than that - just take it or leave it.Edited by Sharee on June 24, 2016 5:26AM1 -
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✭✭✭✭I've 1vXd and no one is going to put me on a list of awesome players. It doesn't mean I was great, it means they were noobs, poorly geared, or just plain bad. No cheating required.
There are certainly cheaters out there, but just because someone beat you despite being outnumbered doesn't mean they are one of them.Edited by NBrookus on June 24, 2016 12:52PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭At this point, ZOS just needs to do whats right and take the servers down.
Take them down, sit down figure out what measures you can take. I get it, you cna't re-write the server code, but you can invest in anti-cheat systems like Punkbuster, Valve VAC or something, implement it, then bring the servers back online.
Leaving things the way they are now is a disservice to your players, and a disservice to TES name. Its not going to be the end of the world to take the PC servers down for a few days, even a few weeks, to address the countermeasures needed to limit cheating. Sure a few people will be mad, but who cares...just credit their account if they have a sub and explain that it needs to come down to address the cheating..folks will understand...end Game trial raids don't want cheaters ruining the PVE side of things either.
In the end it will be allright, leaving things as they are right now is just bad all around...doing nothing is worse then taking the servers down and trying to fix it.Rinaldo Gandolphi-Breton Sorcerer Daggerfall Covenant
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✭✭Thrasher91604 wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.
Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.
By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?
You guys need to go outside.
If you are scoping it out for him, so he doesn't get caught that is aiding and abetting just like here. Nice try criminal.
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.
Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.
By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?
You guys need to go outside.
Actually you would both be arrested for shoplifting.
Of course, it's actually pretty hard to get arrested for shoplifting. Detain is the usual and it's all about how much you are caught shoplifting.
But, if you think you are walking away because you didn't actually take anything... you won't once you are sitting in the security office and they are making you sign a trespass if you come back piece of legal work. Then you will get a fine from the state in the mail that you have to pay... usually 75$.
In truth, the only way you "walk" is if you can easily argue that you didn't know. The fact that nearly every retail outlet has cameras and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act...
Btw many times shoplifters work in teams and only one of them has the goods. If you really think not having the goods means you get to walk... go give it a try.
@OdinForge. I was hoping you would know a little about the real world so I wouldn't have to post a book. <sigh>
It's not aiding and abetting per @Thrasher91604, and an argument that you "didn't know" per @rfennell_ESO won't hold up under the circumstances in all but the most liberal states, however rfennel clearly does understand the realities involved.
Most states will charge you with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit larceny. Conspiracy typically requires either an express agreement (e.g., you wrote down your plan) or an implied agreement. An express agreement can be proven by either direct or indirect evidence while an implied agreement requires the fact finder (judge or jury) to make inferences, which are usually based on circumstantial evidence. In most jurisdictions, walking around with a shoplifter you know is shoplifting is sufficient evidence from which to infer guilt of conspiracy to commit larceny and therefore also larceny (petit or otherwise).
[Defendant: "Your honor, I was just following my friend around. Yes, I knew he was shoplifting. Yes, as the video shows I was present each time he took possession of an item. But your honor, I wasn't involved, I was just hanging out with my friend!" <laughter in the court> Government Rep.: "Haha your honor, same story as the last 50 shoplifting cases to come through here! Magistrate: "Guilty, $500 fine, 6months parole, what's the next case on the docket?"]
Why can this happen? The use of conspiracy to cap both of you for the shoplifting is morally justified for two reasons. First, it would otherwise be almost impossible to convict people working in teams. Second, society overwhelmingly believes that people not involved in a crime don't associate with criminals during the commission of that crime. So much so that the chance of an innocent person being convicted is thought to be so low that we are willing to tolerate the possibility. Some would go so far as to say that if you actively associate with criminals, whether or not during the commission of a crime, you are almost certainly a criminal yourself, and that even if innocent of this crime, your sentence will pay for some other crime. Hence the old addage, "one bad apple spoils the barrel."
So let's circle back to my original response to @elong.
PvPing with a cheater and gaining the benefit of a the cheater's actions, when you know they are cheating, is a no brainer. In this case you can be charged as an accessory (i.e., aiding and abetting), as well as conspiracy, and the law would treat you as a cheater. Under moral philosophy, the thing that really jams you into the cheating slot is the benefiting. If you know your teammate is making impossible fights possible, or at least is speeding up the AP farming, but you still continue to run with them, you are also a cheater under any moral philosophy that doesn't come out of a cracker jacks box..
I typically do not engage in these types of threads (and never without evidence), but I get really agitated when someone not only behaves unethically, but then actually maintains they are a pure and innocent butterfly, while allowing others to publicly abuse those that call them out. That is ethically much worse than the initial unethical behavior... Almost up there with letting someone go to prison when you know you committed the crime.
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rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »rfennell_ESO wrote: »Thrasher91604 wrote: »Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.
Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.
By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?
You guys need to go outside.
Actually you would both be arrested for shoplifting.
Of course, it's actually pretty hard to get arrested for shoplifting. Detain is the usual and it's all about how much you are caught shoplifting.
But, if you think you are walking away because you didn't actually take anything... you won't once you are sitting in the security office and they are making you sign a trespass if you come back piece of legal work. Then you will get a fine from the state in the mail that you have to pay... usually 75$.
In truth, the only way you "walk" is if you can easily argue that you didn't know. The fact that nearly every retail outlet has cameras and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act...
Btw many times shoplifters work in teams and only one of them has the goods. If you really think not having the goods means you get to walk... go give it a try.
@OdinForge. I was hoping you would know a little about the real world so I wouldn't have to post a book. <sigh>
It's not aiding and abetting per @Thrasher91604, and an argument that you "didn't know" per @rfennell_ESO won't hold up under the circumstances in all but the most liberal states, however rfennel clearly does understand the realities involved.
Most states will charge you with something along the lines of conspiracy to commit larceny. Conspiracy typically requires either an express agreement (e.g., you wrote down your plan) or an implied agreement. An express agreement can be proven by either direct or indirect evidence while an implied agreement requires the fact finder (judge or jury) to make inferences, which are usually based on circumstantial evidence. In most jurisdictions, walking around with a shoplifter you know is shoplifting is sufficient evidence from which to infer guilt of conspiracy to commit larceny and therefore also larceny (petit or otherwise).
[Defendant: "Your honor, I was just following my friend around. Yes, I knew he was shoplifting. Yes, as the video shows I was present each time he took possession of an item. But your honor, I wasn't involved, I was just hanging out with my friend!" <laughter in the court> Government Rep.: "Haha your honor, same story as the last 50 shoplifting cases to come through here! Magistrate: "Guilty, $500 fine, 6months parole, what's the next case on the docket?"]
Why can this happen? The use of conspiracy to cap both of you for the shoplifting is morally justified for two reasons. First, it would otherwise be almost impossible to convict people working in teams. Second, society overwhelmingly believes that people not involved in a crime don't associate with criminals during the commission of that crime. So much so that the chance of an innocent person being convicted is thought to be so low that we are willing to tolerate the possibility. Some would go so far as to say that if you actively associate with criminals, whether or not during the commission of a crime, you are almost certainly a criminal yourself, and that even if innocent of this crime, your sentence will pay for some other crime. Hence the old addage, "one bad apple spoils the barrel."
So let's circle back to my original response to @elong.
PvPing with a cheater and gaining the benefit of a the cheater's actions, when you know they are cheating, is a no brainer. In this case you can be charged as an accessory (i.e., aiding and abetting), as well as conspiracy, and the law would treat you as a cheater. Under moral philosophy, the thing that really jams you into the cheating slot is the benefiting. If you know your teammate is making impossible fights possible, or at least is speeding up the AP farming, but you still continue to run with them, you are also a cheater under any moral philosophy that doesn't come out of a cracker jacks box..
I typically do not engage in these types of threads (and never without evidence), but I get really agitated when someone not only behaves unethically, but then actually maintains they are a pure and innocent butterfly, while allowing others to publicly abuse those that call them out. That is ethically much worse than the initial unethical behavior... Almost up there with letting someone go to prison when you know you committed the crime.
You can find my post about Maiq II and his group mates, a mer or two bearing jewels, elsewhere on this forum.
They don't even have to catch you committing petty larceny. They only need intent to commit it.
One thing that shoplifters do is called "blocking". What that entails is they "block" off their cart or handbasket (or whatever) with low price and large stuff to conceal the goodies (which is what they intend to steal). That alone is grounds for petty larceny... and btw, if you are with someone doing that they will arrest you too and they will have you on camera so lying isn't going to work.
I've participated in 100's of people arrested/detained for shoplifting. Total cash value is a big thing, and if you are caught with someone that has over 1000$ of stuff... you are both being arrested for Grand Larceny. I have seen teams of shoplifters get arrested and only one of them ever touched the product, the others are there to make a scene and/or locate management/security.
To be honest most shoplifting is small and not enough that most retailers will have the person(s) arrested. They will however force you to sign a trespass warrant that basically says if you are caught on these premises again you are trespassing and they will take your picture to attach to it. They will also make your friend that was just with you do it if they have any evidence that they knew you were doing it. The state will be notified and they will mail you a fine...
Want to know the best way of dealing with shoplifters? Walk up to them and say "can I help you?" That makes them leave the location almost immediately... or even use stolen credit cards to pay for all that booty they were intending to steal (seen that quite a few times).
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✭✭Wreunt it was a bad analogy and I'm sorry you went through the effort of typing that response, and I did read all of it. It's largely bull and now you're getting into theory territory when you say things like "Second, society overwhelmingly believes that people not involved in a crime don't associate with criminals during the commission of that crime." now it sounds like you're speaking simply from opinion, but that doesn't actually do anything to prove your point. Everything you said is theoretical not factual, and you even made the same mistake as Thrasher and Rfennell by adding in extra clauses that you left out in your original theory when you say ""Your honor, I was just following my friend around. Yes, I knew he was shoplifting." etc.
You're over-complicating a simple and bad analogy (that you made, not me) with extra information that doesn't hold up. I'll explain why.
In my past experience with theft in chain stores (mostly tech stores like Best Buy etc), when a suspicious pair of people are seen moving through a store, and one is seen visibly taking objects (there has to be video evidence and / or the items have to be recovered from the individual in their possession to prove a theft). Both individuals may be stopped and questioned, but the person who didn't take anything and cannot be proven to be an associate will be let go or at the very least removed from the premise free to leave. This is a very rare moment, thefts rarely get caught and even more rarely get stopped in its tracks. You cannot arrest someone who is friends with a thief, without proof they actually helped. The only ways you can prove someone helped is in a scenario where they visibly took an object themselves.
The cops don't assume and say "Oh you're probably friend, you're going to jail too". By that logic my friend who is actually a thief can come into a store I work at, ask some questions and take some stuff with or without my knowledge, and simply rope me in by claiming we're friends which may be true. My manager may talk to me, but I'm not going to jail over assumption. In those very rare scenarios where someone is caught in the process of stealing and he's with someone, at most both parties may be excused but only the one who is caught will face charges.
You're trying to imply that simply being friends with and spending time with someone that hacks, makes you a hacker by association. And regardless of your personal opinion of the matter, that simply isn't true and wouldn't ever hold up. Some friends may hang out in a TS and play Dark Souls while one of them hacks the game, but the detection system will ban him for hacking, not his friends that didn't.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
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✭✭There is a viral video floating around YouTube from a popular vlogger who caught someone stealing his friends camera at an airport. The man was with someone maybe his girlfriend. He denied stealing the camera as he was being chased and questioned, she denied he took the camera as well. The security got involved and eventually the cops, the camera was found in his possession. He was arrested on the spot, but the girl was let go despite her attempts to aid the theft by denying it. Obviously this isn't a store but the same principle applies, in a store you wouldn't have such brash vocal defense coming from a thief, which only serves to make it even harder to pin multiple targets without concrete evidence.
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✭✭I guess I'll just add that there certainly is a grey area regarding being an accomplice and being charged with the same crime.
It's mostly an evidence thing... can they prove you knew what was going on.
Many retailers have updated their security systems with digital systems with quality cameras that save everything on every camera. Banks in particular have added TONS of cameras (ridiculously so). Any modernized security system has a lot of cameras (multiple per aisle) so they can see what's up from multiple angles. Furthermore they also have cameras that they can take full control of that have excellent capabilities in zooming and resolution. It's trivial to find you aiding or abetting a shoplifter with them.
However, many (particularly non big chains) only have a slip and fall video system. It's sort of a very basic form of security that designed to document slips and falls and verify statements.. they are not hires and they are not of quality. Think of these as ZOS...1 -
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
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✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
You nerds need to get out and get some fresh air.
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Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
You nerds need to get out and get some fresh air.
45%, you're almost there!
**Downloads CE to get that extra 5% under the radar**3 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
You nerds need to get out and get some fresh air.
45%, you're almost there!
**Downloads CE to get that extra 5% under the radar**
**Quietly passes CE settings to Ghost so he too can git gud**3 -
Zheg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
You nerds need to get out and get some fresh air.
45%, you're almost there!
**Downloads CE to get that extra 5% under the radar**
**Quietly passes CE settings to Ghost so he too can git gud**
Does this mean I won't have to rez you as often?
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Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Ghost-Shot wrote: »Ghost-Shot wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.God_flakes wrote: »
Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.
Let me pose the following hypothetical.
Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.
Would that not a cheater make?
Nobody in my guild is a cheater. I'm absofuckinglutley sick of the accusations.
And if I personally cheated, which I notice has also been thrown about a bit, you'd think I might actually be half good at this game?
You nerds need to get out and get some fresh air.
45%, you're almost there!
**Downloads CE to get that extra 5% under the radar**
**Quietly passes CE settings to Ghost so he too can git gud**
Does this mean I won't have to rez you as often?
We'll see, depends on how many raids I keep face tanking0 -
rfennell_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Some of you guys really needed to think of different guild names for people not to think you might be cheaters.
Just saying.1 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Some of you guys really needed to think of different guild names for people not to think you might be cheaters.
Just saying.
Navoc just didn't have a good ring to it.0 -
Elong✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Some of you guys really needed to think of different guild names for people not to think you might be cheaters.
Just saying.
Americans.0 -
Makkir✭✭✭✭✭
✭rfennell_ESO wrote: »Some of you guys really needed to think of different guild names for people not to think you might be cheaters.
Just saying.
Americans.
Thats a horrible guild name, but a kickass tv series0 -
Outer_Rim✭✭✭3. The stamina build at 30% doesn't get healed to full by a single vigor tick, you're misunderstanding what you're seeing. It's more likely that their rally was below 10-15 seconds left and they got a fat burst heal from that. Vigor is a heal over time and doesn't have the capabilities to heal someone for 70% health in one tick.
Jules, that's the whole point.
I *know* vigor is a HOT and should not be capable of healing someone in one tick, yet it does. The guy casts nothing but vigor, and next second poof - full HP.
I could buy the 'he was just lucky and his rally that has been going on for a long time just expired' if it happened once. But over and over, every few seconds? Nah.
We know that the game client is trusted with dangerous data such as keeping track of a character's stored ultimate, which allows programs like CE to alter memory values for unlimited meteor spam. Is it so hard to believe the same client is also trusted with keeping track of character health, allowing CE to top out the health bar everytime vigor is cast?
video proof?
lol ignorant as always.4
