I don't see any blatant cheating there.

Jules wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

Well you DO align yourself with known cheaters.

Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.

I said ALIGN. And one is running her mouth right now in this thread. Imagine that.

Continue to call me a cheater all you want, it doesn't phase me. You've probably noted this distinct lack of care. However, you have continually and tirelessly tried to get my attention about this over and over on nearly every thread on this forum.

Generally I just ignore you. Most days there's no need to validate your ridiculous slander with a response. But today I'll bite because you're trying to spew hate on my also innocent friend who did nothing wrong.

I know I'm not a cheater. The people I play with and against know I'm not, and that's enough for me. And if you can prove me otherwise, then upload it and showcase it. If you hate me SO much and you're SO certain I'm a cheater, why haven't you done it by now? If you're so certain, then show me and the community some proof. "Put up or shut up," if you will.

In the meantime, keep living your sad life and keep deflecting your inadequacies onto others.

You know, normally I would just let this go and not say thing, however that last statement is just way out of line. You taking a video game and turning it personal. That statement right there bold is just pure cancer and venom.

How can someone even justify saying something like that over a damn video game? Unreal....that's such a horrible thing to say to someone.

I'm dissapointed in you Jules. I had you pegged for better then that....

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

Well you DO align yourself with known cheaters.

Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.

Let me pose the following hypothetical.

Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.

Would that not a cheater make?

OdinForge wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

Well you DO align yourself with known cheaters.

Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.

Let me pose the following hypothetical.

Two members of your guild are grouping with someone blatantly abusing a known exploit and they know the person is doing it. They are raking in large amounts of AP as a consequence.

Would that not a cheater make?

No.

Stop trying to peg someone as a hacker by association. Wouldn't it be funny if someone who you've run with was subtly giving himself a nice advantage to get wins, therefore increasing your success by association, what a cheater you'd be amirite.

So your position is that it is alright to suck of the teet of someone you know is cheating so long as nobody you are farming finds out?

I have a suggestion for you. Go shopping at Walmart with someone who is shoplifting. Don't shoplift anything, just walk around with the person. Come back and let us know how that turned out for you.

This is blatant cheating.

https://youtube.com/watch?v=KbEtN24VS4E

https://youtube.com/watch?v=eJ1T1ZBx_3w

https://youtube.com/watch?v=xF6iNAdn8eE

RinaldoGandolphi wrote: »

Jules wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

God_flakes wrote: »

Elong wrote: »

Disagree with Thrasher, you're a hacker.

Well you DO align yourself with known cheaters.

Nobody in my guild is a cheater, and I don't play with anyone else. So no, you're wrong, and you can apologise when you're ready.

I said ALIGN. And one is running her mouth right now in this thread. Imagine that.

Continue to call me a cheater all you want, it doesn't phase me. You've probably noted this distinct lack of care. However, you have continually and tirelessly tried to get my attention about this over and over on nearly every thread on this forum.

Generally I just ignore you. Most days there's no need to validate your ridiculous slander with a response. But today I'll bite because you're trying to spew hate on my also innocent friend who did nothing wrong.

I know I'm not a cheater. The people I play with and against know I'm not, and that's enough for me. And if you can prove me otherwise, then upload it and showcase it. If you hate me SO much and you're SO certain I'm a cheater, why haven't you done it by now? If you're so certain, then show me and the community some proof. "Put up or shut up," if you will.

In the meantime, keep living your sad life and keep deflecting your inadequacies onto others.

You know, normally I would just let this go and not say thing, however that last statement is just way out of line. You taking a video game and turning it personal. That statement right there bold is just pure cancer and venom.

How can someone even justify saying something like that over a damn video game? Unreal....that's such a horrible thing to say to someone.

I'm dissapointed in you Jules. I had you pegged for better then that....

I am sorry to disappoint you but everyone has their limit. I have been ridiculed by this person repeatedly for weeks and on unfounded allegations. Simply go to her page and read some of the despicable thinks she's said to me and I think you'll understand a bit better.

Jules wrote: »

3. The stamina build at 30% doesn't get healed to full by a single vigor tick, you're misunderstanding what you're seeing. It's more likely that their rally was below 10-15 seconds left and they got a fat burst heal from that. Vigor is a heal over time and doesn't have the capabilities to heal someone for 70% health in one tick.

Jules, that's the whole point.

I *know* vigor is a HOT and should not be capable of healing someone in one tick, yet it does. The guy casts nothing but vigor, and next second poof - full HP.

I could buy the 'he was just lucky and his rally that has been going on for a long time just expired' if it happened once. But over and over, every few seconds? Nah.

We know that the game client is trusted with dangerous data such as keeping track of a character's stored ultimate, which allows programs like CE to alter memory values for unlimited meteor spam. Is it so hard to believe the same client is also trusted with keeping track of character health, allowing CE to top out the health bar everytime vigor is cast?

OdinForge wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.

Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.

By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?

You guys need to go outside.

If you are scoping it out for him, so he doesn't get caught that is aiding and abetting just like here. Nice try criminal.

There are so many salty tears in this thread. The worst part about the whole CE thing isn't the fact that people were unbanned or the leader boards, etc but that all the really good players (like Kodi, Jules, Sypher, etc) are gonna get called out for haxing because "hey I can't do that, they must be cheating!"

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Walking around with the person could include helping him avoid getting caught. That scenario does not preclude it. Try harder, please.

Alright there detective gadget, the world owes you an un-payable debt. Your elite brainstorming skills are required in the 1st grade, they need to solve who took an extra cookie from the jar.

I'll give you a golden star when you return.

Because justifications for cheating are endless.

OdinForge wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.

Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.

By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?

You guys need to go outside.

Actually you would both be arrested for shoplifting.

Of course, it's actually pretty hard to get arrested for shoplifting. Detain is the usual and it's all about how much you are caught shoplifting.

But, if you think you are walking away because you didn't actually take anything... you won't once you are sitting in the security office and they are making you sign a trespass if you come back piece of legal work. Then you will get a fine from the state in the mail that you have to pay... usually 75$.

In truth, the only way you "walk" is if you can easily argue that you didn't know. The fact that nearly every retail outlet has cameras and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act...

Btw many times shoplifters work in teams and only one of them has the goods. If you really think not having the goods means you get to walk... go give it a try.

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Thrasher91604 wrote: »

Have you not heard of the crime of aiding and abetting? If you help anyone in performing a crime you can get similar penalties.

Walking around a store while your friend steals *** by his own choosing, is not aiding him. Putting the *** he takes in your bag might count, but that was not the original analogy.

By that logic I can follow some stranger into a store, follow him around while stealing stuff and try to claim he's my buddy ol chump to get him arrested, how does that make sense to you?

You guys need to go outside.

Actually you would both be arrested for shoplifting.

Of course, it's actually pretty hard to get arrested for shoplifting. Detain is the usual and it's all about how much you are caught shoplifting.

But, if you think you are walking away because you didn't actually take anything... you won't once you are sitting in the security office and they are making you sign a trespass if you come back piece of legal work. Then you will get a fine from the state in the mail that you have to pay... usually 75$.

In truth, the only way you "walk" is if you can easily argue that you didn't know. The fact that nearly every retail outlet has cameras and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act...

Btw many times shoplifters work in teams and only one of them has the goods. If you really think not having the goods means you get to walk... go give it a try.

Your logic is extremely flawed, much like the original analogy. And like Thrasher you added extra points into an analogy that specifically left them out.

I'm going to break this down for you real simple, since you and Thrasher apparently need the help.

This was the analogy presented to me.

"I have a suggestion for you. Go shopping at Walmart with someone who is shoplifting. Don't shoplift anything, just walk around with the person. Come back and let us know how that turned out for you." -Wreunt

"Don't shoplift anything, just walk around with the person" is the part I've highlighted.

So when you say things like, and I quote you from your message here.

"and all they need to do is see you knowingly participate in any way in the act..." -Rfennell

Not only is it irrelevant to the conversation at hand (see the original quoted analogy) since it was specified not to do anything, and since walking around a store is not knowingly participating in theft, the only thing anyone can say is out of assumption. Assumption based on the fact that you walked into a store as the same time as a thief.

That is flawed logic on your end, I should know having experience in loss prevention through tech stores.

Think about this, Is your argument here really that because you saw some guy on camera walking into a store at the same time as someone who came to steal, and you assume him to be a criminal based on that sole assumption? If you have no proof that he stole anything, which based on the original analogy that you misunderstood didn't happen..you have no proof.

Dude really? Edit* You really are mental if you think an assumption means fact, stop accusing Jules based off an assumption and without proof, you are a complete dunce if you think your baseless assumption holds any value, GTFO.