Race Change Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

driosketch wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:
It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.

It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a magicka templar Redguard healer/dps now. Have run dungeons and trials with only good reviews. I'll stay a Redguard even when I have the option to change. Anyone having a problem with that is a) passing on an actual competent healer because of theory, and b) probably aren't worth running with anyways.

Puncturing sweeps is kind of interesting on a Redguard Templar, and a little bit awesome.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

Cryptical wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

10,000 crowns per change please.

more revenues to Zos so they can release more bugs, ohhh btw, hackers got a 80% discount.

From reading the article I suspect it will be some sort of in game currency to use name change, appearance change and race change.

The additional hair styles etc were stated to be purchasable through the crown store, but the basics (race change, name change, app change) said it would be a token system.

There's no lore way of doing it.

Not to be "that guy", but there is.

Explain!

There's a potion maker that is working on a recipe that does race change, in the aldmeri areas. He is trying to become khajiit, I think, and manages to switch to Argonian. Been a while, don't recall the details. Also, There's the guy in the alik'r desert town that makes potions to change people into animals, in the cadwell's almanac stuff.

The Dunmer who dreams of being a Khajiit is in Greenshade on the western coastal town whose name eludes me (because it isn't a bank hub). You'll find him in a Khajiit structure.

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

After the race change goes live, the ONLY meaningful decision at character creation will be your class.

That was the one I wanted them to remove, how cool would it be to have no classes and just make a class based on what you mixed together. A healer with a pet... I mean that would been more of a ES way of doing it.

Going classless is something I've dreamed this game would do since Beta. (At the very least opening all skills to all classes).

dodgehopper_ESO · June 2016

altemriel wrote: »

Wollust wrote: »

@altemriel Redguard is in general the best stam race for PvE and especially PvP.
Khajiit is the best race for stam DK DPS in endgame content. The difference is not that big though.

thank you for advice!! racial passives of redguards look really good, the only thing that I will not use is
Shield Affinity - Increases experience gain with the One-Handed and Shield Skill Line by 15%

I prefer using 2H sword. but nevermind, the other racial passives of redguards look great

@altemriel I wouldn't worry about the passive skill. Its a good idea leveling all of your weapon skills in the eventuality you need them, and fairly easy to do. This passive is also so weak that it approaches a level of worthless and 'just for fun'.

Sinolai · June 2016

I was hoping class change to turn my breton sorc healer into breton templar healer but since that wont happen, I think I will turn it into Imperial spell sword (stamina build) instead.

GivvumBoane · June 2016

Will race changes be alliance specific? Or will it be a way to circumvent explorer's pack? You should be able to change your race to another race in your alliance, unless you have the explorer's pack.

driosketch · June 2016

TheValkyn wrote: »

driosketch wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:
It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.

It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a magicka templar Redguard healer/dps now. Have run dungeons and trials with only good reviews. I'll stay a Redguard even when I have the option to change. Anyone having a problem with that is a) passing on an actual competent healer because of theory, and b) probably aren't worth running with anyways.

Is there a Yelp to read for these "good reviews"? I can't believe reviews are a thing haha.

It's a turn of phrase meaning my feedback is overall positive.

thisisScoMan · June 2016

I'm going to start writing down the Gamertag of everyone I see and their race and then if I encounter them again and they're a different race, I'm going to start chasing them and telling them what I think of their race changing.

Not really.

Really it doesn't affect my life in any way.

I won't use it, and I will remain blissfully ignorant to those who do.

Xylphan · June 2016

How to get an endless stream of money.

1. Put change in the crown store.
2. Nerf/buff on a regular basis.
3. Watch everyone throw money at you to change.
4. Profit.

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2016

Xylphan wrote: »

How to get an endless stream of money.

1. Put change in the crown store.
2. Nerf/buff on a regular basis.
3. Watch everyone throw money at you to change.
4. Profit.

Ideed. Im worried ZoS will suddenly start 'balancing' passives very aggressively now. And I dont mean balancing with the goal of making all races comparably useful but rather with the goal of making a different one OP each month thus 'encouraging' purchases of the race switch token.

Mettaricana · June 2016

Guppet wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

10,000 crowns per change please.

more revenues to Zos so they can release more bugs, ohhh btw, hackers got a 80% discount.

From reading the article I suspect it will be some sort of in game currency to use name change, appearance change and race change.

The additional hair styles etc were stated to be purchasable through the crown store, but the basics (race change, name change, app change) said it would be a token system.

Race change is not something that can ever be in game. There's no lore way of doing it. It will be crown store only. Keep deluding yourself that you won't have to pay for it though, see how that works out for you

Actually there's a quest where a dunmer made a potion that transforms him into an argonian. So lore wise that dunmer made it possible