Race Change Confirmed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

driosketch

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

I would argue that adding race change puts more pressure on ZOS to balance the passives. But what would race balance look like? Do you make each race excell for a different role, so that every stam DK becomes a Redguard and every magicka DK rolls Dunmer? Do you standardize racial passives like they did with mounts? Or do they just scorch it to the ground until racial differences are little more than cosmetic?

Tandor

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

Undoubtedly.

lookstwice

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

Undoubtedly.

Yep, it's why anybody reading this put me on your ignore list now.

altemriel

I am running my stam DK with this build:

I wear 5 pieces Hunding`s range, 3 pieces Nightmother`s gaze, 3 pieces Ravager (jewelry)(I need Agility robust jewelry, but no money for that yet), all infused or divines, 2 x max health enchant, rest max stam enchant, weapons poison damage enchant and fire damage enchant

armor all divines or infused, weapons sharpened, precise, jewelry, weapon damage enchant

max health with food: around 21000
max stam with food: around 23000
weapon damage with rally, 2H 2900, 49 % crit, bow 2600, crit also around 50 %
Mundus stone: warrior

My build:

2H: main bar
Rally
Wrecking Blow
Crit Rush
Executioner
Venomous Claws
Ulti: Werewolf


Bow:
Green Dragon Blood
Poison Injection
Bombard
Rapid Maneuver
Igneous Shield

Ulti: Ferocious Leap

CPs, mostly Mighty, Medium Armor expert, Mooncalf, Warlord, Sword expert (or how it is called)


inspired by this sypher`s build:
http://www.sypherpk.com/stamina-dk/


But I am Altmer, female, because she looks hot, but I did not know at the beginning, that they are mag buffed race. But I like stam, so I want some stam race to change her with barbershop in August. Which race should I switch to to increase my stats (orcs excluded)?

Knuckels1987

?? how do you switch the race??

Erock25

Too bad that I've been asking for this for well over a year and they wait until mag sorc is properly nerfed before implementing it. Now I want to stay khajiit.

Paneross

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a Nord main healer for trials/arenas/dungeons. No bonus to heals or magicka yet I have no problems. I should have been Breton though

driosketch

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a magicka templar Redguard healer/dps now. Have run dungeons and trials with only good reviews. I'll stay a Redguard even when I have the option to change. Anyone having a problem with that is a) passing on an actual competent healer because of theory, and b) probably aren't worth running with anyways.

Shader_Shibes

As much as i love my khajiit stam dk, i'm really tempted to turn him into a redguard.

Cryptical

Guppet wrote: »

nine9six wrote: »

Guppet wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

10,000 crowns per change please.

more revenues to Zos so they can release more bugs, ohhh btw, hackers got a 80% discount.

From reading the article I suspect it will be some sort of in game currency to use name change, appearance change and race change.

The additional hair styles etc were stated to be purchasable through the crown store, but the basics (race change, name change, app change) said it would be a token system.

There's no lore way of doing it.

Not to be "that guy", but there is.

Explain!

There's a potion maker that is working on a recipe that does race change, in the aldmeri areas. He is trying to become khajiit, I think, and manages to switch to Argonian. Been a while, don't recall the details. Also, There's the guy in the alik'r desert town that makes potions to change people into animals, in the cadwell's almanac stuff.

craybest

I probably won't change races, I have always chosen them for their looks, and there are not many races I like how they look. Now that we will be able to level up anywhere, my main reason to chose another race has vanished too XD

Wollust

@altemriel Redguard is in general the best stam race for PvE and especially PvP.
Khajiit is the best race for stam DK DPS in endgame content. The difference is not that big though.

Khaos_Bane

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

I don't see picking the most effective class/race combo as abuse at all.

Amsel_McKay

Miszou wrote: »

After the race change goes live, the ONLY meaningful decision at character creation will be your class.

That was the one I wanted them to remove, how cool would it be to have no classes and just make a class based on what you mixed together. A healer with a pet... I mean that would been more of a ES way of doing it.

Khaos_Bane

Paneross wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a Nord main healer for trials/arenas/dungeons. No bonus to heals or magicka yet I have no problems. I should have been Breton though

Nah, Altmer is better.

Kalifas

Amsel_McKay wrote: »

Miszou wrote: »

After the race change goes live, the ONLY meaningful decision at character creation will be your class.

That was the one I wanted them to remove, how cool would it be to have no classes and just make a class based on what you mixed together. A healer with a pet... I mean that would been more of a ES way of doing it.

Oh yes please!

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/272499/classcrafting-concept

Sa0n

Yay! My stupid Rinoa will no longer be a nord after this! (or a stereotypic view of a nordic person.)
Will probably go with Altmer, a much more fitting race in a game like this.
Couldn't really give a crap about racial bonuses, though.

PlagueMonk

Unless I can ALSO change my freakin' name it won't work for me. I don't name my toons generic or silly assed names, I choose names for not only the type of character but also their RACE.

Skitttles

I will making my imp stam sorc a bosmer at the shortest height. Mostly because it'll be funny seeing a little ball of lightning run around stabbing people.

TheValkyn

Guppet wrote: »

Vox wrote: »

bimbo wrote: »

oh yeahhhhhhhhhhh

10,000 crowns per change please.

more revenues to Zos so they can release more bugs, ohhh btw, hackers got a 80% discount.

From reading the article I suspect it will be some sort of in game currency to use name change, appearance change and race change.

The additional hair styles etc were stated to be purchasable through the crown store, but the basics (race change, name change, app change) said it would be a token system.

Race change is not something that can ever be in game. There's no lore way of doing it. It will be crown store only. Keep deluding yourself that you won't have to pay for it though, see how that works out for you

` -> showracemenu.

There's your lore. Deal with it.

TheValkyn

driosketch wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

I think there are two valid arguments against race change:

• It can lead to abuse by players who switch to the "build of the month" for the most effective class/race combination.
• It can lead to abuse by ZOS who could nerf this race or buff that race to 'encourage' players to change their race.

all other reasons fall into the "you should play like I play" category so they're not really valid. And this is being said by someone who feels that choices should matter and that players who want to play a different race should reroll and doesn't think race change is needed.

The main reason against it in my view (apart from the whole lore aspect in an RPG of "I'm an orc today, tomorrow I'll be a wood elf") is that it affords ZOS a cop-out so far as racial passive balancing is concerned. If there are genuine concerns over individual racial passives then the way to address those concerns is for the passives to be fixed, not for players to be charged gold or crowns to switch to a different set of passives.

Do you think there it's possible for it to lead to a "You're not X race, you can't be our healer" situation?

I'm a magicka templar Redguard healer/dps now. Have run dungeons and trials with only good reviews. I'll stay a Redguard even when I have the option to change. Anyone having a problem with that is a) passing on an actual competent healer because of theory, and b) probably aren't worth running with anyways.

Is there a Yelp to read for these "good reviews"? I can't believe reviews are a thing haha.

Faulgor

My only gripe is that there won't be a class change, when classes have changed a whole lot more since release than some race bonuses ever have, and changing your class would seem much more reasonable than your race from an in-world point of view.

Don't like the horns you were born with? No matter, we'll turn them into pointy ears!
While we're at it, do you want to turn your genitalia inside out?
Oh, you want to change the profession you chose freely? I'm sorry, but that choice was PERMANENT FOR LIFE.

*shrug*

altemriel

Knuckels1987 wrote: »

?? how do you switch the race??

Barber shop will come in August, there you will be able to change appearance of your character, change race, change name of the character.

But it was not announced yet, how it will be paid, if in-game gold or crown store, or both...

altemriel

PlagueMonk wrote: »

Unless I can ALSO change my freakin' name it won't work for me. I don't name my toons generic or silly assed names, I choose names for not only the type of character but also their RACE.

name change will be also comming with Barbershop in August

altemriel

Wollust wrote: »

@altemriel Redguard is in general the best stam race for PvE and especially PvP.
Khajiit is the best race for stam DK DPS in endgame content. The difference is not that big though.

thank you for advice!! racial passives of redguards look really good, the only thing that I will not use is
Shield Affinity - Increases experience gain with the One-Handed and Shield Skill Line by 15%

I prefer using 2H sword. but nevermind, the other racial passives of redguards look great

Vercingetorix

Considering that the protagonist (you) had your soul stolen and were "reforged in soulfire" as Molag Bal puts it, changing any aspect of your character is logical. It stands to reason that somewhere in Coldharbour exists a "Soul Forge" that is used to create Animuses to replace the souls of the Soul Shriven.

The RP argument is completely invalid against Race Change (or any change for that matter) in this game.

khele23eb17_ESO

olsborg wrote: »

My imperial nb becomes redguard, and my altmer sorc does not do a thing..

Go imperial stam sorc

dodgehopper_ESO

Wollust wrote: »

Paneross wrote: »

I really don't understanding the argument against the race change option that is coming. Can someone explain in lamen terms for me?

Some people don't see the need for it and therefore don't want it.
Or they come up with RP and lore reason and thus want to confine everyone else with it.

I'm not happy about it for a completely different reason. I see it as paying for a failure in ZoS to do its job, and in that respect I see it as a really bad quid pro quo, that can be abused again and again by them flipping the switch whenever they 'balance' the races, game rules, or classes. You may like it, but unless it is extremely cheap it could be abused. On those grounds, and on the belief that they really should strive for balance with their game, I do not like it. I myself will not pay for such a change both because I like the characters I made, but also because I think it is a bad slippery slope. There you have it.

RebornV3x

Nice about time something that should have been out on release why is ZOS always late on crucial MMO elements but I can't wait this is great news now if I can stop crashing 5+ times a day and maybe a class spammable for sorc and this might be my favorite game again.

Now sit back and watch the forum complainers ruin this.

IrishGirlGamer

Paneross wrote: »

Whatcha gonna do about it?

Oh ... well, let me think ... hmm ... oh right!

Absolutely nothing.