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Getting Sick Of All The Murders In Town
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babedenny✭✭✭✭Yes. It's a game. It's not real. It's make believe. Just like mages and aren't real.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »I love my Blade of Woe Zos! Don't change a thing!
Thank you.
It can be fun, I give you that - but it is against the role-play aspect of ESO - this is a role play game and this behavior to murder random NPC just for personal gain is not what the DB is like - these kind of people should be expelled from the guild and the blade of Woe taken from them. They do not deserve the divine power granted to them.
And, this is where you are wrong. It is a game...plain, and simple. You play it as a role-player, and I play it as a blood thirsty murder, with no morals. It's like this...you get upset that you have a hard time role-playing at the bank, or crafting station, while I run by you on a killing spree, well I get upset that I am trying to concentrate on my killing spree, while you are running around RP'ing that you are wiping your bum, or counting the coins in your bag.
I would have no problems with allowing players to call the guards when they witness a crime...as long as I can call the guards when I walk into an area where 2 people are erotic role-playing. Public *** should be just as illegal as murder, and thievery. Don't you think? Or, when people YELL...that's worth a guard chase. What about when I come into an area, and the RP is just really bad...I should be able to call the guards on that.
I log in everyday realizing that something I do when I play, probably ruins someone's immersion. What most of the people complaining, about their immersion being ruined, refuse to understand...is that your immersion ruins someone's gameplay for some reason, or another. You need to co-exist with us, the way we have to co-exist with you...until ZOS finally decides to give you your own RP server.
Also, I hate to tell you, but other than talking to the lady in the Thieves Guild to start the Dark Brotherhood quest line, your first real quest is to go and murder a random NPC for personal gain - admission into the Dark Brotherhood.
Yes, but you seem to not remember how Lucian LaChance explained it in Oblivion. They recruit those who can kill in cold blood, and integrate them into the "family", which is serving Sithis and the Nightmother. From now on, they are no longer murderers, but assassins who will put their talents in favor of a divine cause - there is equality in this, everyone can do the ritual and eventually get someone killed. If this would be real, a lot would be nicer to each other, to not become a target. I see the purpose of the guild as a good one, it would make people be more careful with each other, if that would be real.
Yes, but he also stated:
"Have you not heard of the Dark Brotherhood? Of the remorseless guild of paid assassins and homicidal cutthroats? Join us and you'll find the Dark Brotherhood all that and so much more. We are more than anything a union of like minded individuals." ―Lucien Lachance
I am of the "homicidal cutthroat" variety, when I play any ES game.
But let's get back to the point of the OP. The OP has an issue with their "immersion" being broken, by all of the dead bodies and killers running around. That's fine, but your "immersion" is no more important than my "FUN". You have to deal with me, the same way I have to deal with you.
Yes, I am not saying that you would play in the wrong way, I am saying that the implementation is flawed in that it allows to use the sacred blade of Woe for other purposes than to assassinate a target, which is part of a contract based on the ritual and accepted by Sithis. I want the blade of Woe just be used for this sole purpose - and not to randomly kill anyone around.
The Blade of Woe in other games, despite not being the same Blade of Woe in ESO (which is conjured upon need) but actually a physical weapon, can be used to kill literally anything - from skeevers to giants. I actually think that because of that, its use in this game is much closer to its actual purpose.
in ESO it is a guild ability - and it should be used for guild purposes only - it does not work on players, why does it work on innocent NPCs then, who are not meant to be targets of the guild.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes. It's a game. It's not real. It's make believe. Just like mages and aren't real.
But that does not mean, that a game cannot have morals - the whole game is basically about it, or why would we want to deal with Molag Bal otherwise?- why would it matter if we do not have a soul?- I can live perfectly fine without one for example.Edited by Lysette on June 22, 2016 6:32PM1 -
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✭✭✭✭I would say people are getting what they asked for. There is nothing wrong with the blade is designed. The problem is that the pvp part of the justice system was never put in. People cried about how this or that would be abused. Ok fine. Well you got your wish. There is no one to stop someone. You asked for it, you got it.
And what is even better is taking the blade of woe out or changing it, still doesn't solve the problem Why? Because a whole lot of people, like me, didn't understand the amount of money to be made. I know as does anyone else That wants to continue that a fully charged heavy attack from stealth result in the same thing as the blade of woe. With slightly slower speed and slightly higher chance of detection. Neither of which is a deal breaker. And with one tamriel coming, there won't even be a high level to hide in.
Maybe you'd be better off asking for a death sound off toggle.
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babedenny✭✭✭✭Morals in a video game? I think I've been trolled, lol. I'm worse at avoiding traps than Jon Snow.
Edited by babedenny on June 22, 2016 6:35PM3 -
Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »SK1TZ0FR3N1K wrote: »j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »I love my Blade of Woe Zos! Don't change a thing!
Thank you.
It can be fun, I give you that - but it is against the role-play aspect of ESO - this is a role play game and this behavior to murder random NPC just for personal gain is not what the DB is like - these kind of people should be expelled from the guild and the blade of Woe taken from them. They do not deserve the divine power granted to them.
And, this is where you are wrong. It is a game...plain, and simple. You play it as a role-player, and I play it as a blood thirsty murder, with no morals. It's like this...you get upset that you have a hard time role-playing at the bank, or crafting station, while I run by you on a killing spree, well I get upset that I am trying to concentrate on my killing spree, while you are running around RP'ing that you are wiping your bum, or counting the coins in your bag.
I would have no problems with allowing players to call the guards when they witness a crime...as long as I can call the guards when I walk into an area where 2 people are erotic role-playing. Public *** should be just as illegal as murder, and thievery. Don't you think? Or, when people YELL...that's worth a guard chase. What about when I come into an area, and the RP is just really bad...I should be able to call the guards on that.
I log in everyday realizing that something I do when I play, probably ruins someone's immersion. What most of the people complaining, about their immersion being ruined, refuse to understand...is that your immersion ruins someone's gameplay for some reason, or another. You need to co-exist with us, the way we have to co-exist with you...until ZOS finally decides to give you your own RP server.
Also, I hate to tell you, but other than talking to the lady in the Thieves Guild to start the Dark Brotherhood quest line, your first real quest is to go and murder a random NPC for personal gain - admission into the Dark Brotherhood.
Yes, but you seem to not remember how Lucian LaChance explained it in Oblivion. They recruit those who can kill in cold blood, and integrate them into the "family", which is serving Sithis and the Nightmother. From now on, they are no longer murderers, but assassins who will put their talents in favor of a divine cause - there is equality in this, everyone can do the ritual and eventually get someone killed. If this would be real, a lot would be nicer to each other, to not become a target. I see the purpose of the guild as a good one, it would make people be more careful with each other, if that would be real.
Yes, but he also stated:
"Have you not heard of the Dark Brotherhood? Of the remorseless guild of paid assassins and homicidal cutthroats? Join us and you'll find the Dark Brotherhood all that and so much more. We are more than anything a union of like minded individuals." ―Lucien Lachance
I am of the "homicidal cutthroat" variety, when I play any ES game.
But let's get back to the point of the OP. The OP has an issue with their "immersion" being broken, by all of the dead bodies and killers running around. That's fine, but your "immersion" is no more important than my "FUN". You have to deal with me, the same way I have to deal with you.
Yes, I am not saying that you would play in the wrong way, I am saying that the implementation is flawed in that it allows to use the sacred blade of Woe for other purposes than to assassinate a target, which is part of a contract based on the ritual and accepted by Sithis. I want the blade of Woe just be used for this sole purpose - and not to randomly kill anyone around.
The Blade of Woe in other games, despite not being the same Blade of Woe in ESO (which is conjured upon need) but actually a physical weapon, can be used to kill literally anything - from skeevers to giants. I actually think that because of that, its use in this game is much closer to its actual purpose.
in ESO it is a guild ability - and it should be used for guild purposes only - it does not work on players, why does it work on innocent NPCs then, who are not meant to be targets of the guild.
Because a soul for Sithis is a soul for Sithis. There is no "wrong target". There is no "innocent NPC". There never was. Death is a gift bestowed by the followers of the Dread Father - the gift of solace. This is also said many times in the games. In no games the Dark Brotherhood ever said a thing about you murdering someone who wasn't a target. It is not forbidden by the Tenets and it is encouraged by some members.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
Pheefs✭✭✭✭✭I want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Morals in a video game? I think I've been trolled, lol. I'm worse at avoiding traps than Jon Snow.
Yes, that is what many games are about - making moral choices, didn't you recognize this yet?
Think of Fallout 4 for example, are you going with the Institute, the Brotherhood of Steel, the railroad, do you support the minutemen or will you choose the side of the raiders with the Nuka World DLC?- Are you in favor of the children of the atom or against them, what about your relation to the followers of the apocalyse?- That game is full of moral choices to be made - if you cannot see that, you lack a sense of moral then.Edited by Lysette on June 22, 2016 6:39PM0 -
Moonscythe✭✭✭✭✭I stay away from the cities and other crowded areas because it's all just stupid. There is neither challenge nor finesse to murdering townspeople, the bodies stay around so long and the respawns get killed again so fast that the bodies pile up like a plague village. I thought the art of assassination was a secret one practiced from the shadows but apparently that is not so. As usual everything has been taken to an extreme and everyone has something to complain about. What about me, you mutter, I'm an equal opportunity complainer. Everyone is to blame and everyone should just own it.Scura di Notte - Altmer Nightblade (gear)
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Sanna yos'Phalen - Altmer Sorcerer (provisioning)
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Naria Andrano - Dunmer Templar
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Abeille✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :TJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
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✭✭✭dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »I think if video games and tv become the mother and father of a child, of course you're going to have a neurotic child with probable violent tendencies. The real issue here is that such a child is being neglected and is not given a balanced understanding of life OUTSIDE entertainment. I think this is where the psychological damage can be done, because repetitive behaviors and visualization are in fact a strong way to map the brain. I think the big/core issue here is the other balance of the equation which is perspective. If people have proper perspective, it should not be a problem.
Oh great.
In other words, are you saying I have psychological issues from playing this game??
Sometimes I wake up in the middle of the night finding myself sneaking around the house and hiding. This never happened until I started playing ESO 5 hours a night.
Edited by vamp_emily on June 22, 2016 6:41PM
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ChrispyRambo✭✭✭First off you kill randoms NPC's with out being told to just to get noticed by the Dark Brotherhood.-no contract
Once your in The DB they tell you to do what ever it take to get the target including killing random NPC's.
They tell you to leave no witnesses which means killing random NPC's.-I kill whole villages so there are no witnesses.
They give you multiple DB achievements of killing a certain number of innocents in different area's. -no contracts
They give you a DB achievements of killing a certain number of innocents in total through out the game. -no contracts
They give you an ability to steal while you kill targets or NPC's. One of the guild character tells you killing is a good way to make coin. He doesn't differentiate between innocents or targets.
Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
You are an "Assassin" . You murder people without knowing why for pay of money & gear. You could knock over my ale at the Inn & I could perform the ritual and have you killed. The ritual doesn't distinguish between a guilty target or innocent. A target is a target and any one who gets in the way is a target.
The Night Mother killed her own 5 children in the name of the Dread Lord. They were innocent.
The DB was known to recruit serial killers. They killed the innocent.
The 5 Tenents: Rules of the DB.
Tenet 1: Never dishonor the Night Mother. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 2: Never betray the Dark Brotherhood or its secrets. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 3: Never disobey or refuse to carry out an order from a Dark Brotherhood superior. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 4: Never steal the possessions of a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
Tenet 5: Never kill a Dark Brother or Dark Sister. To do so is to invoke the Wrath of Sithis.
---Says nothing about killing innocent people at your own will.
Ps. I'm just bored and having fun with this...not trying to be a *** hahahaha.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to be a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.Edited by Lysette on June 22, 2016 6:47PM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.Edited by Abeille on June 22, 2016 6:50PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.0 -
BetrayedKingSoul ShrivenSome of y'all are taking this too far, really, it's not that serious. Take a chill pill. And I think that would be too much chaos if other players could attack the assassins/murderers. First off some players are would be an advantage unless they scaled it, the guards would jump in, making the assassin get ganked pretty quickly.
And that would make it open pvp would it not? Since all the non assassins could easily jump in since they are trying to get justice? I've seen this system in age of wushu with kidnapping and the kidnapper hardly got away once enough folks got on em.
I honestly don't see the problem, all the towns I visit most ppl are just hanging round wayshrines or the crafting areas...not much immersion there. Just my opinionBlazedKnight - Argonian - Ebonheart Pact
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ChrispyRambo✭✭✭ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.
I always thought that there should have been a choice to bring down the Thieves/DB guilds or join them. So that people who don't like all the criminal aspects of the story could have a "good guy/girl" adventure. That would be a lot of work for the devs though.0 -
AmberLaTerra✭✭✭✭This is an MMO you have no right to tell others how they can play their characters just as they have no right to tell you how to play yours.
You do not like what some are doing to bad they bought the game and have every right to play it however they want as long as they are not violating the TOS. If the want to steal from or murder NPCs they can, if they want to just RP they can, if they want to PVP they can go to cryo and do that, they want to PVE they can.
You want a place where how other players choose to play ends up not seen by you play a single player game. Do not try to force your play style on thousands of other players in an MMO.
There are plenty of things I see other players do in game I am not a fan of but it is their right they bought the game just like I did and have the right to do those things if I like it or not end of story.PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
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✭✭✭✭✭ChrispyRambo wrote: »ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.
I always thought that there should have been a choice to bring down the Thieves/DB guilds or join them. So that people who don't like all the criminal aspects of the story could have a "good guy/girl" adventure. That would be a lot of work for the devs though.
The Iron Wheel are no good guys as well - they are hired mercenaries of the establishment in Abah's landing. I cannot see any good in that.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ChrispyRambo wrote: »ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.
I always thought that there should have been a choice to bring down the Thieves/DB guilds or join them. So that people who don't like all the criminal aspects of the story could have a "good guy/girl" adventure. That would be a lot of work for the devs though.
I really expected them to include that choice for DB, since we had that choice in Skyrim (and in Oblivion we could just kill Lucien instead of joining), and since in both Skyrim and Oblivion the Dark Brotherhood suffer a severe blow and your sanctuary is almost completely destroyed regardless. While we lost a few members in ESO, only four are killed after we join, and almost all of the major characters survive.
I was also disappointed that my choices had no influence on the deaths.Edited by Abeille on June 22, 2016 7:26PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
ChrispyRambo✭✭✭ChrispyRambo wrote: »ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.
I always thought that there should have been a choice to bring down the Thieves/DB guilds or join them. So that people who don't like all the criminal aspects of the story could have a "good guy/girl" adventure. That would be a lot of work for the devs though.
The Iron Wheel are no good guys as well - they are hired mercenaries of the establishment in Abah's landing. I cannot see any good in that.
I'm DB/Thieves Guild all the way so its all good to me!0 -
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✭✭j.murro2ub17_ESO wrote: »I love my Blade of Woe Zos! Don't change a thing!
Thank you.
It can be fun, I give you that - but it is against the roleplay aspect of ESO - this is a role play game and this behavior to murder random NPC just for personal gain is not what the DB is like - these kind of people should be expelled from the guild and the blade of Woe taken from them. They do not deserve the divine power granted to them.
What if I want to role play a murderer who was kicked out of the Dark Brotherhood and kept the Blade of Woe and has killed every assassin they have sent after me. Meanwhile I continue to murder every innocent in my path.3 -
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✭I'm all for players reporting players to the Guard (that are still unkillable) so long it flags the reporter for PvP for 1 hour and I can kill them.Chaos Shadow-Scale: Shadow Archer
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Oompuh✭✭✭✭✭I mean.. killing innocents has been in the game since it came out. Now we just have cool cut-scenes when we do it.Xbox NA - Oompa
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✭✭✭✭✭.ChrispyRambo wrote: »ChrispyRambo wrote: »ChrispyRambo wrote: »Elam Drals will tell you a story of how he killed his target along with killed 17 innocents by accident. He just laughs it off as "the innocent lives don't matter as long as the target gets killed".
I agree with everything you said, but I just want to point out that I think Elam is a huge braggart and that his stories are not completely true.
I completed a contract in Aldcroft and, when I came back, he talked about the time he was there and had to kill a certain npc that I had JUST talked to before going back to the Sanctuary. For some reason, seeing him as a lying braggart makes me like him even more xDI want JUSTICE!
no really, with this one world One Tamriel thing coming up... let us murder the murderers!
Kill enough civilians, be killable, simple!
I agree with this. I was super excited for the second part of the Justice System, which was cancelled - not because I wanted to kill players, but because I wanted the added risk. I practiced a lot killing civilians without getting a bounty because of that :T
If you want risk, what about jail time for like a week - then you have a challenge, it does not have to be pvp. And once you will be down to just one left over, who is not serving jail time, you might finally appreciate to by a lawful guy - so that you can continue playing.
I have nine characters, and only one of them is an assassin (the others didn't and will never join the Dark Brotherhood), so I would just go play one of my other eight characters during that week. So no, it wouldn't work as a risk factor at all for me.
I always thought that there should have been a choice to bring down the Thieves/DB guilds or join them. So that people who don't like all the criminal aspects of the story could have a "good guy/girl" adventure. That would be a lot of work for the devs though.
The Iron Wheel are no good guys as well - they are hired mercenaries of the establishment in Abah's landing. I cannot see any good in that.
I'm DB/Thieves Guild all the way so its all good to me!
I find the NPC characters of both guilds quite likable as well - I have no problem with being a member.1 -
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✭✭kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »I'm all for players reporting players to the Guard (that are still unkillable) so long it flags the reporter for PvP for 1 hour and I can kill them.
Yeah! Snitches get stitches! Too bad stitches can't fix a severed head.3