Dragonknights are still underpowered

Saturn · June 2016

Are you *** kidding me?

Bashev · June 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Well, magdk is really weak now. Whip is called "a wet noodle" for a reason and new skill cost increase doesn't help either.

That's one hard hitting wet noodle then. It hits as hard as a Swallow Soul on my MagBlade (similar SD and Magicka Values)

lol
SS hits much harder with the same gear set. And it costs less 1100 magicka.

With 2606 SD and 41515 Magicka on MagBlade: Swallow Soul hits for 8629 Damage
With 2172 SD and 41352 Magicka on Mag DK: Flame Lash hits for 8421 Damage

Like I said: that's one hard hitting wet noodle

PS: I have SS too, in case you want proof
PS2: CP spread is exactly the same for both of them too
PS3 (Edit): CW on MagBlade hits for 9314 Damage. But still: with 500 extra SD on Mag DK, Flame Lash would be between the values of CW and Swallow Soul. It still hits hard, can apply burn DoT and chance for stronger Lash + self heal.

Lol you compare 36m range skill witch cost almost nothing to 8m mele skill? With Swallow soul you can easily use light attacks from staff from far away. The issue for magicka DKS is not the damage, the issue is that the class is designed for mele fights and the class has nothing to protect him in the mele fight. No dodge chance, no snare immunity skill, no roots immunity skill, nothing. Even reflective scale does not reflect the dots and the debufs from the skills. Combine all this with no self heal and no mobility and you have the idea what is wrong with the class. Also we can add the bugged gap closer.

Mojmir · June 2016

still no class execute,giveth

Rikumaru · June 2016

Pls increase cost bolt escape by 500% per cast for 4 secs.

WillhelmBlack · June 2016

They just need dragon blood buffed is all, maybe a cheap purge incorporated in. Stamina builds on the whole are really strong, not just DK's. I actually prefer magicka DK though, they bring a lot to a group.

Tryxus · June 2016

Bashev wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Well, magdk is really weak now. Whip is called "a wet noodle" for a reason and new skill cost increase doesn't help either.

That's one hard hitting wet noodle then. It hits as hard as a Swallow Soul on my MagBlade (similar SD and Magicka Values)

lol
SS hits much harder with the same gear set. And it costs less 1100 magicka.

With 2606 SD and 41515 Magicka on MagBlade: Swallow Soul hits for 8629 Damage
With 2172 SD and 41352 Magicka on Mag DK: Flame Lash hits for 8421 Damage

Like I said: that's one hard hitting wet noodle

PS: I have SS too, in case you want proof
PS2: CP spread is exactly the same for both of them too
PS3 (Edit): CW on MagBlade hits for 9314 Damage. But still: with 500 extra SD on Mag DK, Flame Lash would be between the values of CW and Swallow Soul. It still hits hard, can apply burn DoT and chance for stronger Lash + self heal.

Lol you compare 36m range skill witch cost almost nothing to 8m mele skill? With Swallow soul you can easily use light attacks from staff from far away. The issue for magicka DKS is not the damage, the issue is that the class is designed for mele fights and the class has nothing to protect him in the mele fight. No dodge chance, no snare immunity skill, no roots immunity skill, nothing. Even reflective scale does not reflect the dots and the debufs from the skills. Combine all this with no self heal and no mobility and you have the idea what is wrong with the class. Also we can add the bugged gap closer.

I'm only comparing damage values here, not the actual skills. I did this to show that the skill isn't a "wet noodle" but has good enough damage, nearing the value of CW.

It's true that the Mag DK could use a bit of work here and there, but they're pretty decent already. Definitely not the weakest class in PvP

Mayrael · June 2016

I sense sarcasm here

) nurf this nurf that... But tbh there was a time when i thought that DKs are fav class of ZOS but after nerf after nerf with time it seems that new fav kid of ZOS is NB... I dont call for a nerf just sitting here, watching at it and smiling gently...

Duiwel · June 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sounds like someone isn't in touch with their dk side. I'll just leave this here...

You get my like!

My MagDK doesn't hit like a wet noodle I'd like to see you 1v1 my DK and tell him he hits like a wet noodle when your screen is blue and you can't get up.

NikaTheCat · June 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

ShadowStarKing wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

Sounds like someone isn't in touch with their dk side. I'll just leave this here...

Awww you missed the point.

Better luck next time

What point? This is just another whine thread about class imbalance lol but unlike the others some seem to be able to contest otherwise.

No its a comedy thread.

"Lets take the most powerful class and buff it and then nerf the others: a lesson in ZOS logic thread" as i have come to call it

Potato Potahto

Dude I know you may not agree with him but you don't have to act rude about it.

I personally want mag DKs to he buffed but leave sorcs alone.

I used to think you're acting but I guess this is how you really are.

OP is saying DKs need buffing because they are too weak. Others beg to differ. Given the statements made thus far and the fact OP has provided NO evidence to back his case makes this thread lean in favor of people saying Magicka DK is NOT underpowered. Until proven otherwise this thread is basically OP whining about DKs because they aren't making proper use of their own. When you see threads like these all the time you would develop the same skepticism too.

No, actually, OP is not saying that DKs need a buff and he is not whining. OP is just your average random sarcastic troll roaming the internet looking for troll food. It is pretty obvious from his comments, that he is not serious. Especially when he clearly stated that this is a "Lets take the most powerful class and buff it and then nerf the others: a lesson in ZOS logic thread".

Not really defending the OP, as I don't really support Troll threads, but PEOPLE, SERIOUSLY, STOP FEEDING THE TROLLS!!

laksikus · June 2016

AFrostWolf wrote: »

Fignutz821 wrote: »

stam DK has some of the highest DPS in the game right now...

Still means nothing if you're magics based. Had to switch my magic based Dk to Stam 2h because I couldn't do anything against others in low level pvp. Stam would destroy me too fast to be a serious threat.

If a stam dk destroys you (a mag dk) in pvp you do something Wrong.
Mag dks are the Best class against stamfkstam dk

Bdawwg · June 2016

How do you get spell critical so high?

IcyDeadPeople · June 2016

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

"Lets take the most powerful class and buff it and then nerf the others: a lesson in ZOS logic thread" as i have come to call it

Most powerful class in PVP is not magicka DK these days. Dragon blood has been almost useless for a long time. For self heals you are kinda shoehorned into either going vamp or equipping resto staff.

It used to be the most OP class in the game, so it's understandable that it was nerfed while stamina classes got buffed, but at this point it's lacking a bit in burst damage and self heals.

Mag DK is still viable, but I've found Stam DK, Stam NB, Mag Templar, Stamplar a little easier to play at this time in terms of good mitigation of dmg/self heals + fast burst damage. Haven't played Mag Sorc as much, but it seems to be in a better place than Mag DK even after dark brotherhood.

The balance among classes in this game will probably never be perfect, but the developers listen to feedback and the overall balance has certainly improved a lot since launch. Hoping Stam Sorc and Mag DK get a bit of love next update.

Dubhliam · June 2016

ArchMikem · June 2016

Lava Whip's a cool little ability that gets even cooler whenever you off balance an enemy though. That front flip whip yo.

Oh man...if only abilities could cross classes. Lava Whip on a Templar.

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

Smileybones wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

Smileybones wrote: »

Clarkieson wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Well, magdk is really weak now. Whip is called "a wet noodle" for a reason and new skill cost increase doesn't help either.

Nerf wet noodles...? i just dont see how you could use a dk build they are not viable for anything on ESO.

Not optimal you mean.

Pretty sure i typed viable

I can clear 99% of this game's content with a bow as main weapon and a resto staff, why couldn't dragonknights too ?

And you're still the worst healer in tamriel

AnviOfVai · June 2016

Depends how you play the DK. If you play as a tank in PVP I think its great! I originally ran on a stamina build, now I'm running magika instead. I can take a fair bit of damage and still give damage back with reflect. Nightblades are my problem though. I do have to say DK have the most boring skill line ever. hahaha

DRXHarbinger · June 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Well, magdk is really weak now. Whip is called "a wet noodle" for a reason and new skill cost increase doesn't help either.

That's one hard hitting wet noodle then. It hits as hard as a Swallow Soul on my MagBlade (similar SD and Magicka Values)

Difference is swallow soul is a NB only spammable attack really, Sap is weak and expensive.

Difference if a DK is whipping you, you've most likely got breathe (adding 10% to the whip), embers, eruption and inhale on you too and that's imminent death (also don't forget the banner), NB can only spam 2 attacks and one is quite weak and the heal in pvp is nothing. DK will melt any opponent when they are in full flow, the issue with DKs is getting close.

Once you are in someone's face you've got them. Whip is beast I love it, not a wet noodle at all, just needs to be set up correctly such as always use breath first to get the extra damage, embers on and then whip them down.

swirve · June 2016

@ZOS_JanS could you provide a l2p guide for Sorcs...all the tears are flooding tamriel...my fire DK dont like all the saltwater...

Teridaxus · June 2016

Im a dk, we are overpowered enough already.

But yeah, nerf sorcs.
*nightblade walks thought nerf crowd with cloak on*

LegacyDM · June 2016

Magicka dk OP. Strongest tank in the game. Self healing. Only class that can double dip class skills in elemental fire dsmage and magicka damage cp. 4 words for you all. Lash, reflect, talons, petrify. If you haven't figured that out its an l2p issue. Original post is trolling.

alainjbrennanb16_ESO · June 2016

Clarkieson wrote: »

Please buff.

And nerf sorcs.

Thast is all

To me there is no need i have a magicka dk i average 6ok-150k dps on mobs and single target of 15k-30k, infact i can do all on my dk, heal, tank and dps, even in pvp my highest kill rota for a 2 hours stint was 164 kills, so i so no need to buff them, but then again if they do my monster will become even stronger

Egonieser · June 2016

Clarkieson wrote: »

Anhedonie wrote: »

Well, magdk is really weak now. Whip is called "a wet noodle" for a reason and new skill cost increase doesn't help either.

Nerf wet noodles...? i just dont see how you could use a dk build they are not viable for anything on ESO.

They are viable, just not great.

My guildmaster of my AD PVP guild is a magDK and i dare anyone to try and beat him, bring your friends too if you wish - i've not seen him lose any duels or small scale organized events to anything but a even more experienced magDK. High and mighty StamDK's, High ranking sorc's and insane burst NB's all failed numerous times, and those were no newbs but experienced players of EU Trueflame.

MagDK has a very high learning curve and needs exactly the right gear to be good, but the class underperforms very much when played casually, whereas other classes have enough tools to get away with it.

Toraf · June 2016

Hum... Hum...

Dragon blood ! dragon blood ! the heart and soul of DK ! dragon blood ! dragon blood ! protect us till the end...

Pls Mr @Wrobel my heart is really big but he don't give me love... and a heart without love it's pointless...

Hum... maybe... a little finish passive on dot... ? no ? hum... ok... maybe a little minor sorcery buff on mountain's blessing ? no... ? or helping hands restoring... hum... magicka ? n... no ?

clocksstoppe · June 2016

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Ragnaarok wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Build Correctly.

If you have 30k Mag, 30% crit and 1.5-2k spell power you build wrong.

Goal: 33+k Magicka, 45%+ Crit, 2.5k+ Spell damage Unbuffed w/ food.

I'm a Mag DK sitting on 33-34k magicka, 70% crit and 2.3k spell damage Unbuffed, obviously with thief Mundas stone but tonight I'm going to swap with apprentice Mundas stone and check the results because I feel my spell damage isn't as high as is could be, but I'm scared to see how much crit I lose lol. I run infused on head chest and legs and the rest divines

Not here to troll but you are a little low on everything.
40k magika 3k spell damage and 60% crit are easy to get if you have the correct race/build/skills.
Anyway magika dk's are underpowered in PVP not in PVE

Show me this mythical build with 40k magicka 3k spell dmg and 60% crit UNBUFFED BY SKILLS.

Wollust · June 2016

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Tonnopesceb16_ESO wrote: »

Ragnaarok wrote: »

Casterial wrote: »

Build Correctly.

If you have 30k Mag, 30% crit and 1.5-2k spell power you build wrong.

Goal: 33+k Magicka, 45%+ Crit, 2.5k+ Spell damage Unbuffed w/ food.

I'm a Mag DK sitting on 33-34k magicka, 70% crit and 2.3k spell damage Unbuffed, obviously with thief Mundas stone but tonight I'm going to swap with apprentice Mundas stone and check the results because I feel my spell damage isn't as high as is could be, but I'm scared to see how much crit I lose lol. I run infused on head chest and legs and the rest divines

Not here to troll but you are a little low on everything.
40k magika 3k spell damage and 60% crit are easy to get if you have the correct race/build/skills.
Anyway magika dk's are underpowered in PVP not in PVE

Show me this mythical build with 40k magicka 3k spell dmg and 60% crit UNBUFFED BY SKILLS.

My magDK has in endgame PvE gear something like +43k magicka or so (with innerlight and meteor on main bar). Spelldamage no idea. But in raid setup with all optimal buffs it's at 4k or something like that.