Wrothgar Public Dungeon

crowfl56 · June 2016

Yesterday a friend and I went to the PD in Wrothgar, neither one of us had completed it.

Both of us were using alt's, but they are max leveled but not maxed CP.

We expected to see some other players in the dungeon, and some were solo.

When along came a, mind you level >>14<< player. Templer build.

Now I realize even a low level player is adjusted so they can use this zone.

But this player not only caused us many problems with the boss's, he/she was in there to power level or the nasty (grinder).

So not only was this player abusing the game to do his grinding, he was ruining our experience in that dungeon.

This, is wrong, and imo ruins the fun for many people, so they can run their personal grind.

First off a level 14 should never under any reason be soloing a PD, he couldn't do it in his starting zone, why be able to do this in a max level zone.

So again IMO he was cheating both us and the game.

This is just wrong on to many levels.

Steps of my soap box

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tinythinker · June 2016

Grinding isn't cheating and isn't prohibited. If someones wants to make a circuit killing groups of mobs, alone or with others, in a public dungeon that is acceptable.

If you buy the DLC you have instant access to it hence the level scaling. You are free to do any content in said DLC. Once more, no cheating.

boldscot · June 2016

I don't get it, how did he cause problems on a boss?
Its absolutely not cheating in any way.

STEVIL · June 2016

I think the word public does not mesn what you think it means.

crowfl56 · June 2016

It isn't the fact that he was able to play in that PD it was him constantly ahead of us.

We were just trying to do the dungeon THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED to be played.

So when somebody that really doesn't have any business in there anyway, ruins my game play to satisfy is stupid grind,

that's where I take offence.

Plus you dang grinders will do anything to protect "your grind area"

So if you have to justify a grind, then if not in someway a cheat, then at least grummy exploit.

Oh I hear it all , I've done all the quests 100 times, the quests are boring and on on , again just to protect grinding

Come on, people the quests are fun, give you great xp, fess up, you grinders just aren't good at questing

stewhead2ub17_ESO · June 2016

Sorry you had a bad experience, but to each his own. He has every right to grind mobs if that's how he wants to play. He also owns the content and it's scaled to his level so he has every right to be there, like you and I do. Chalk it up to a sour grape and continue to march!

Pathfindr · June 2016

I did the exact same thing this morning. Went to Rkindaleft and leveled my baby from 11 to 16. I also did the quest and a side quest while there. Does that (questing) give me your "permission" to kill mobs? Or is it actually low level characters soloing public dungeons you object to?

Blud · June 2016

Welcome to the world of MMOs, OP.

Epona222 · June 2016

Grinding isn't cheating, you may find it distasteful, but there are no rules that prohibit it. What you should have done is thrown them a group invite and just let them get on with it.

anitajoneb17_ESO · June 2016

Grinders are no cheaters and no abusers. But yes, they are a true PITA and prevent everyone else to "play normally".

These two Wrothgar public dungeons are a "no-go" for me because of them.

Sometimes I wish for an "MMO without other players".

Rev Rielle · June 2016

It's just part of being in an MMO; sometimes you have players that interact with you positively, sometimes that interaction is negative. It's not right or wrong, because they're well within their rights to stay in there and grind away for as long as they want, just as you and your friend are well within your rights to quest there.

Now if they told you to leave because this was 'their grinding area', or you told them to leave because they 'shouldn't be grinding' then that is wrong, but in lieu of any evidence of that you -nor they- can't really complain I think. It is just the nature of MMOs these days.

Voxicity · June 2016

How is grinding abusing the game in any way shape or form?

DLC's are battle leveled for a reason, so people can buy them and play them whenever they want regardless of level. Otherwise less people would buy DLC = less profit for ZOS.

If you don't like it, don't play in those areas.

ReaX · June 2016

are you trolling or what? looks like it is you who shouldn't be allowed to this dungeon. not to spoil our grinding experience. you can do 1000 quests in other places, why come to the grinding area and complain? you have no business in there anyway

Zoner · June 2016

It was particularly irritating for me when orsinium was new and I just wanted to get the achievement for killing all the bosses (people wanted dem motifs), but having levelled multiple characters I can understand the desire for grinding.

Not much that can be done I'm afraid

tinythinker · June 2016

crowfl56 wrote: »

It isn't the fact that he was able to play in that PD it was him constantly ahead of us.

We were just trying to do the dungeon THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED to be played.

So when somebody that really doesn't have any business in there anyway, ruins my game play to satisfy is stupid grind,

that's where I take offence.

They purchased a DLC that is sold as offering battle-leveling and being available at any level. They have business being there, every bit as much as you. It is a public dungeon, which in ESO means non-instanced and open to anyone and everyone to come pouring through at any time. That is the way it is intended to be played by the people who designed it, who assumed that at max capacity groups and individuals would be running through 24/7 and set respawns and difficulty to handle that. Having someone ahead of you and behind you is not some rare exception in a PD, it's a feature. Whether it happens to be the same person over and over or a steady stream of different people, that's the way a PD works. If you don't like the design being non-instanced or want a higher respawn rate, that is a dev issue. Send them /feedback.

crowfl56 wrote: »

Plus you dang grinders will do anything to protect "your grind area"

So if you have to justify a grind, then if not in someway a cheat, then at least grummy exploit.

Oh I hear it all , I've done all the quests 100 times, the quests are boring and on on , again just to protect grinding

Come on, people the quests are fun, give you great xp, fess up, you grinders just aren't good at questing

No one has a claim on an area, whether grinding or questing. If grinding prevents questing because needed mobs for quests are killed as soon as they spawn, it is legit to ask the grinders to take a break and if they don't to send a report with a screenshot. Usually when grinders are defending a spot or complaining about people in their spot it is in regard to other grinders. But there are always people who want to complain about sharing with others in an MMO whatever their goals and playstyle.

Honestly, this second quoted part really sounds more like trolling than anything else. But for those new to the game or confused by your comments I wanted to make the distinctions clear. They can go wherever they want, and with One Tamriel, they will have even more places to visit anytime and in any order at any level.

Brrrofski · June 2016

crowfl56 wrote: »

It isn't the fact that he was able to play in that PD it was him constantly ahead of us.

We were just trying to do the dungeon THE WAY IT WAS INTENDED to be played.

So when somebody that really doesn't have any business in there anyway, ruins my game play to satisfy is stupid grind,

that's where I take offence.

Plus you dang grinders will do anything to protect "your grind area"

So if you have to justify a grind, then if not in someway a cheat, then at least grummy exploit.

Oh I hear it all , I've done all the quests 100 times, the quests are boring and on on , again just to protect grinding

Come on, people the quests are fun, give you great xp, fess up, you grinders just aren't good at questing

The quests are boring afternoon them multiple times. Good at questing? You just kill thing then talk to people. What's to be good at?

Orsinium isn't an "end game zone", it's intended at all levels. He has as much business as you to be there actually.

It's a public dungeon. Public.

It's an mmo. One of those Ms stans for multilayer.

They have as much right to grind in there as you do to quest.

Sorry other people ruin your experience. Nobody in a single player game will ny the way.

vyrusb23 · June 2016

crowfl56 wrote: »

So again IMO he was cheating both us and the game.

Your opinion in this situation doesn't matter. Only the rules set forth by ZoS matter. He was not cheating. He was only cheating in your mind.

edit: I solo public dungeons all of the time .. including the ones in Craglorn.

byrdmanwes · June 2016

Not sure what your thinking of public dungeons are, but my first play through I did all ofthe public dungeons alone, now granted I did find people in the dungeons on occasion but mostly alone. Part of doing public dungeons is coming across randoms doing things. If you're not comfortable doing that maybe you should reconsider playing MMOS

Voxicity · June 2016

I just created a character and see other people around me. This is cheating. Only I am allowed to play this game. ZOS please ban these players.

Ragnaarok · June 2016

I dunno about you guys but Orsinium is one of, if not the best low-levelling grinding spot, and I'll continue to use to until a better spot pops up. I don't see anything wrong with power levelling my alt, with my main characters CP, in a PUBLIC dungeon to try get to level 50 as quickly as possible. Why would I want to go repeat the same quests I've already done that don't benefit me at all and give far less XP than grinding?

SickDuck · June 2016

Public dungeons are really not hard. Hell I've even soloed Fungal with my lvl 9 ___ (class removed for protection) without breaking a sweat.

The only thing saving you from grinders would be instanced grinding areas for them to go. Unfortunately ZOS balanced gameplay by halving the xp you get from twice the stronger mobs you have in instances. Even the xp reward you get from random runs does not make them a viable choice for powerlevelling.

Rev Rielle · June 2016

ReaX wrote: »

are you trolling or what? looks like it is you who shouldn't be allowed to this dungeon. not to spoil our grinding experience. you can do 1000 quests in other places, why come to the grinding area and complain? you have no business in there anyway

This is actually also, wrong. Just the other side of the coin. Both questers and grinders have equal right to be there.

Wolfchild07 · June 2016

I don't have a problem with it and grind certain places also. It would be nice, though, to be able to make private dungeon instances and form your own groups.

Also, Craglorn needs to be re-evaluated as the xp is terrible and there are much better places to grind since the nerf.

SolarCat02 · June 2016

Wolfchild07 wrote: »

Also, Craglorn needs to be re-evaluated as the xp is terrible and there are much better places to grind since the nerf.

I am hoping they raise Craglorn to the CP cap. They did that with the Gold areas, so it's clearly doable.
Battle leveling would be great, too!

ReaX · June 2016

Rev Rielle wrote: »

ReaX wrote: »

are you trolling or what? looks like it is you who shouldn't be allowed to this dungeon. not to spoil our grinding experience. you can do 1000 quests in other places, why come to the grinding area and complain? you have no business in there anyway

This is actually also, wrong. Just the other side of the coin. Both questers and grinders have equal right to be there.

I don't mean all questers, only the author of the topic. I never had any problems with questers in there. Most grinders don't touch the bosses anyway, it's a loss of time. And even in other public dungeons you sometimes have to wait for the bosses to spawn.

SickDuck · June 2016

Ragnaarok wrote: »

I dunno about you guys but Orsinium is one of, if not the best low-levelling grinding spot, and I'll continue to use to until a better spot pops up. I don't see anything wrong with power levelling my alt, with my main characters CP, in a PUBLIC dungeon to try get to level 50 as quickly as possible. Why would I want to go repeat the same quests I've already done that don't benefit me at all and give far less XP than grinding?

To be fair, public dungeons are not the best grinding spots still, mainly because of the constant traffic. Even during a solitary time you can get better yields outdoors.

If you want undisrupted play you need to play during off-peak hours. Sadly it's true both for questing in popular areas and grinding.

Ragnaarok · June 2016

SickDuck wrote: »

Ragnaarok wrote: »

I dunno about you guys but Orsinium is one of, if not the best low-levelling grinding spot, and I'll continue to use to until a better spot pops up. I don't see anything wrong with power levelling my alt, with my main characters CP, in a PUBLIC dungeon to try get to level 50 as quickly as possible. Why would I want to go repeat the same quests I've already done that don't benefit me at all and give far less XP than grinding?

To be fair, public dungeons are not the best grinding spots still, mainly because of the constant traffic. Even during a solitary time you can get better yields outdoors.

If you want undisrupted play you need to play during off-peak hours. Sadly it's true both for questing in popular areas and grinding.

Here in Australia it's not too bad. If i want to grind say around 8-9pm AEST it's never usually that busy, generally another person grinding aswell who. I end up just partnering with anyway for an xp boost

DurzoBlint13 · June 2016

Public dungeons (anywhere) are easy to solo even without any CP. There is only one or two that have mechanics that make the group events require more than one person.
And why is wrong to grind? That is what 90% of the people in those Wrothgar dungeons are there for. You should have seen that place the week of the cake!!! Most grinders do not even bother with the bosses since they do not give much XP, so how was this person messing you up exactly? I do not understand what the complaint is about

Creepsley · June 2016

well then you gonna love the next update ;-) :P then a lvl 14 can go exactly to whatever zone he chose and can grind whatever PD he wants. and i dont really see the problem, with somebody grinding, its in no way exploiting or cheating.

Faulgor · June 2016

My only problem with grinders is when they occupy my grind spot ...

Honestly OP, I can't fathom what your problem is. The Old Orsinium quest is just running through the dungeon, clicking things and solving 2 puzzles. How exactly would a grinder obstruct that?

KaleidoscopeEyz · June 2016

I completely disagree with everything you said. Maybe you are the one ruining his experience. Don't be selfish. Play the game the way you want to play it. Don't force others to play the way you want it played.