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What's the best way for Stam NB to self heal?
TheUrbanWizard
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As the question says. I'm having trouble shooting up my health when I really need to, and rely on dropped health potions way too much, which often isn't enough. PvE mainly, Vet dungeons especially.
Please no answers of kill before killed, L2P etc 'cos that's what I'm doing.
How do other stam nbs cope??
Please no answers of kill before killed, L2P etc 'cos that's what I'm doing.
How do other stam nbs cope??
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Snape2255✭✭✭Between Rally & Vigour, and my buffs (including Shuffle), dodge rolls and my stupid burst. Healing isn't really an issue unless I run out of Stamina, get mobbed by too much or the game decides to just punch me in the face for no reason as it does.
I run S&B as my DPS bar with 2H as my back bar, running 3.3k Weap damage, 2.7k+ recovery and 30k stamina. Constitutes enough resource pool to keep myself going and enough burst (if using the right combinations) to makes players think twice about rushing into me.
There have been many a time where I've been sat on 20-30% health and a player has decided to rush me, only for me to Reverb Bash and then kill them in 2 seconds flat.
Try keeping Vigour up regularly, and if you drop below 50% health pop Rally on again for a quick burst back up. Siphoning Attacks is a great way to regulate your stamina alongside Relentless Focus for the +stam regen.
Even if you are just PVE, it's definitely worthwhile investing time to get Vigour. You will not regret it.The name is Snape. Full time Banana fighting for his Queen and Country. Favourite hobby; killing the cowardly Covenant and Pact infidels threat.
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✭✭✭✭✭Rally (Morph of Momentum from 2 Handed) and Vigor (from Alliance War Assault skill)Edited by Tryxus on June 17, 2016 10:48PM"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭leeching strikes but that lowers damage.Edited by Whatzituyah on June 17, 2016 10:50PMhttps://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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Oh, and there's also the new heal morphs in Dual Wield: Bloodthirst and Blood Craze
And Draining Shot from Bow"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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Azor_Ahaii✭✭✭In vet dungeons the healer should be healing you but you should be aware of the environment effects and not stand in red. If you still are struggling you should use vigor, it's the best heal available to stam builds.2 -
Elder_III✭✭✭✭Vigor, followed by Rally, lots of options in the Siphoning line as a NB, although the Morph of the Ultimate (can't recall name of it) is the only one that really constitutes a reliable burst heal.
Also the weapon skills mentioned above me give some healing, as well as various sets. Personally I run Briarheart and like it allot, but it's a pain to acquire a full set in good traits.Semi retired from the trading aspects of the game.0 -
TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭Ah Vigor..but I hardly PvP. I'll give Rally a go as I use a 2h.
For me Killer's Blade was never quite enough, and @Whatzituyah I prefer Siphoning but thanks.0 -
Whatzituyah✭✭✭✭@TheUrbanWizard I tank with leeching for the most part it helps.https://twitch.tv/whatzituyah2
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TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭@Elder_III interesting you mention Briarheart, I've got 5 pieces including a greatsword in my bank. It any good?0
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damn....
Too much stuff.
I guess everything other than magicka-based heals.
Except those sometimes too.
Yeah, that about covers it.0 -
TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭@Whatzituyah so it could be the health regain overrides the stam I get from siphoning attacks...I suppose I need to play around a little! It's not a morph I considered before tbh.Edited by TheUrbanWizard on June 17, 2016 11:08PM0
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Bromburak✭✭✭✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »As the question says. I'm having trouble shooting up my health when I really need to, and rely on dropped health potions way too much, which often isn't enough. PvE mainly, Vet dungeons especially.
Please no answers of kill before killed, L2P etc 'cos that's what I'm doing.
How do other stam nbs cope??
The hated Argonian makes the difference.0 -
ConeOfSilence✭✭✭✭In PvE I use Vampire Kiss armor set, you lose a bit of hitting power but it defiantly keeps you alive in the mobs, you don't need as much weapon damage in PvE if you can stay alive you will kill em all outlast the mobs.0 -
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✭Azor_Ahaii wrote: »In vet dungeons the healer should be healing you but you should be aware of the environment effects and not stand in red. If you still are struggling you should use vigor, it's the best heal available to stam builds.
I can say as a healer few things disappoint me as much as seeing dpses healing in dungeons. Let the healer heal, and dps deal damage; otherwise It's often a complete waste of resources for both players, and just slows and complicates battles.
It can be hard to do at times I know, especially when you're with a random group and you've no idea about the competency of the others in group. But group play is all about trusting each-other and having a role. Block, dodge, interrupt when need be sure, but otherwise go to town!
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TheUrbanWizard✭✭✭✭@Rev Rielle if only that happened! Unfortunately self heal is essential for a dps a lot of the time in these dungeons if the healer can't keep alive and/or fancies testing his dps a little too much.0
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✭✭✭✭✭TheUrbanWizard wrote: »"Rev Rielle" if only that happened! Unfortunately self heal is essential for a dps a lot of the time in these dungeons if the healer can't keep alive and/or fancies testing his dps a little too much.
In that case, Rally would be your best bet since it not only provides with a HoT and a self heal, but it also gives Major Brutality which is great for any Stam DPSer.
Vigor not that much, I would leave the actual healing to the healer. Just go with Rally then
Also, the morphs of DW that I mentione above? Don't take those, as a DPSer you should take the ones that do more damage"Stand strong, stay true and shelter all."
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✭✭✭✭✭In general, for PvE dungeons and trials, your healer should be keeping you alive. Sounds like your healer has issues.
That said, yes, there are times when you do need to self-sustain. Runs that have no healers or where you are solo (e.g., vMA), runs that have bad healers, or runs where the healer is expected to mostly DPS and only throw out emergency heals as needed (e.g., vDSA), or situations where you are often separated from the healer (e.g., vDSA again).
For those situations, you should be using Bloodthirst, Blood Craze, and Vigor.
What about the DPS loss? The greatest DPS loss is a dead DPS. Yes, I would normally use Rapid Strikes and Rending, but if I'm doing vDSA or vMA, I'll remorph them to Bloodthirst and Blood Craze. Putting less strain on the healer also means that the healer can worry less about healing me and focus more on doing DPS. Also, the difference really isn't that big--over the course of a full channel, Rapid Strikes will do 8% more damage than Bloodthirst. Rapid Strikes are often just about a quarter or sometimes even less of the damage that I do in a full parse. So overall, it's only about 2%.
Why not Rally? Because 2H sucks in PvE, and you shouldn't be using it. In PvE, you should be using DW/Bow.
Why not Draining Shot? Because the 10m range is pathetic and the heal isn't instant. Even with the changes in DB, it's still a crap skill.
Also, you should be using Flurry (either Rapid Strikes for maximum DPS or Bloodthirst for an excellent stream of self-heals) in PvE, not Surprise Attack. This is because Flurry was buffed substantially in DB, and its channel time--what used to be its main drawback--has been dramatically shortened. Whereas Flurry used to be the skill that other peasant stam classes used since they don't have Surprise Attack, it is now the must-have PvE spammable for all stam classes. (Yes, even if you don't have vMA weapons--those just make it even more of a no-brainer to use Flurry.) Also, the main benefits of Surprise Attack (the stun from stealth and the resistance debuff) are not very useful in group PvE (stealth is rarely used in group content, and your tank's taunt should be applying the same debuff which cannot be stacked).Edited by code65536 on June 18, 2016 2:17PMNightfighters ― PC/NA and PC/EU
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itehache✭✭✭✭Hey. I am a new player but I also had some trouble while running dungeons and getting healed so I'm just gonna try to give you the best advice I can, it has been working for me so far.
I use the ultimate "Soul Shred" morphed into "Soul Tether" so it deals additional damage to enemies and also heals you.
I have also slotted the ability "Strife" morphed into "Swallow Soul", so it heals you and the healing you receive gets increased.
I am a stamina NB (all my 64 points are in stamina) but I use this spell when my stam is low, so it recovers, or when I (or my team) needs extra healing.
Apart form that, I always try to use health draining poisons and I still eat food that gives me health (since I havent found yet a recipe that gives me both health and stamina
because that would be the best combination).
Also, as everyone has been saying, remember always to dodge as much as you are able to and avoid getting into red circles and stuff. There are some debuffs that the healer should be dealing with but your main job is to avoid all avoidable damage
I hope this helps you!
CheersEdited by itehache on June 18, 2016 2:46PM1 -
Snape2255✭✭✭Apart form that, I always try to use health draining poisons and I still eat food that gives me health (since I havent found yet a recipe that gives me both health and stamina because that would be the best combination).
@itehache
If you have access to the Orsinium DLC then there is a questline you can partake in which gives you 4 new recipes. One of these recipes gives +Max Health & +Stamina Recovery. One of the best food options for any Stam build. Consider taking time to get this, it'll help a lot.The name is Snape. Full time Banana fighting for his Queen and Country. Favourite hobby; killing the cowardly Covenant and Pact infidels threat.
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sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭Wait? S&b heavy Nb dps? Altf4 broEbonheart Pact - North American Server
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭Apart form that, I always try to use health draining poisons and I still eat food that gives me health (since I havent found yet a recipe that gives me both health and stamina because that would be the best combination).
@itehache
If you have access to the Orsinium DLC then there is a questline you can partake in which gives you 4 new recipes. One of these recipes gives +Max Health & +Stamina Recovery. One of the best food options for any Stam build. Consider taking time to get this, it'll help a lot.
You don't want to DPS with these. These are for PVP and tanking. Max stamina+Max health food is the way to go when running dungeons. If you're having sustain issues, either enchant one of your jewelry pieces with recovery, incorporate a set with regen bonuses, or go with the Serpent Mundus. Never sacrifice the stamina equivalent of 470 weapon damage that you get from max stam food.1 -
Snape2255✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »Wait? S&b heavy Nb dps? Altf4 bro
I assume you're referring to me? I don't recall ever saying I was running Heavy armour, other than 1 piece for Undaunted. I also do extremely high burst and have more sustainability than the average Stam NB.
I also pointed out that it was for PVP, and not for PVE, and I gave PVP examples.
I would be willing to wager I have enough defense to stop another Stam NB killing me too quickly, but enough Burst to kill them in 2 seconds flat. Keeping in mind that I'm in the habit of taking off 2/3rds of player's health bars in a single cycle of my attacks (which takes approximately 1.5 seconds to pull off).
Don't knock it 'til you try it buttercup.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »You don't want to DPS with these. These are for PVP and tanking. Max stamina+Max health food is the way to go when running dungeons. If you're having sustain issues, either enchant one of your jewelry pieces with recovery, incorporate a set with regen bonuses, or go with the Serpent Mundus. Never sacrifice the stamina equivalent of 470 weapon damage that you get from max stam food.
I was pointing out this food to him due to him saying he had no recipes available and that he was a new player. These recipes are available through quests. Ridiculously quick and easy quests. The Orz stam regen food is going to be far more beneficial to him than white/green max health food. If he wants to run in PVE then max health/stam is a given, but if he has no recipes there is no harm and only good in obtaining and crafting Orz food.Edited by Snape2255 on June 19, 2016 3:25AMThe name is Snape. Full time Banana fighting for his Queen and Country. Favourite hobby; killing the cowardly Covenant and Pact infidels threat.
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Amdar_Godkiller✭✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »Wait? S&b heavy Nb dps? Altf4 bro
I assume you're referring to me? I don't recall ever saying I was running Heavy armour, other than 1 piece for Undaunted. I also do extremely high burst and have more sustainability than the average Stam NB.
I also pointed out that it was for PVP, and not for PVE, and I gave PVP examples.
I would be willing to wager I have enough defense to stop another Stam NB killing me too quickly, but enough Burst to kill them in 2 seconds flat. Keeping in mind that I'm in the habit of taking off 2/3rds of player's health bars in a single cycle of my attacks (which takes approximately 1.5 seconds to pull off).
Don't knock it 'til you try it buttercup.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »You don't want to DPS with these. These are for PVP and tanking. Max stamina+Max health food is the way to go when running dungeons. If you're having sustain issues, either enchant one of your jewelry pieces with recovery, incorporate a set with regen bonuses, or go with the Serpent Mundus. Never sacrifice the stamina equivalent of 470 weapon damage that you get from max stam food.
I was pointing out this food to him due to him saying he had no recipes available and that he was a new player. These recipes are available through quests. Ridiculously quick and easy quests. The Orz stam regen food is going to be far more beneficial to him than white/green max health food. If he wants to run in PVE then max health/stam is a given, but if he has no recipes there is no harm and only good in obtaining and crafting Orz food.
If that's all he has, then yeah it's better than nothing; But Green max stam food scales massively if consumed in a scaled zone. It gets my level 20 Khajit NB to 34.5K Stamina.0 -
sirrmattus✭✭✭✭✭sirrmattus wrote: »Wait? S&b heavy Nb dps? Altf4 bro
I assume you're referring to me? I don't recall ever saying I was running Heavy armour, other than 1 piece for Undaunted. I also do extremely high burst and have more sustainability than the average Stam NB.
I also pointed out that it was for PVP, and not for PVE, and I gave PVP examples.
I would be willing to wager I have enough defense to stop another Stam NB killing me too quickly, but enough Burst to kill them in 2 seconds flat. Keeping in mind that I'm in the habit of taking off 2/3rds of player's health bars in a single cycle of my attacks (which takes approximately 1.5 seconds to pull off).
Don't knock it 'til you try it buttercup.Amdar_Godkiller wrote: »You don't want to DPS with these. These are for PVP and tanking. Max stamina+Max health food is the way to go when running dungeons. If you're having sustain issues, either enchant one of your jewelry pieces with recovery, incorporate a set with regen bonuses, or go with the Serpent Mundus. Never sacrifice the stamina equivalent of 470 weapon damage that you get from max stam food.
I was pointing out this food to him due to him saying he had no recipes available and that he was a new player. These recipes are available through quests. Ridiculously quick and easy quests. The Orz stam regen food is going to be far more beneficial to him than white/green max health food. If he wants to run in PVE then max health/stam is a given, but if he has no recipes there is no harm and only good in obtaining and crafting Orz food.
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this is very bad advice for a stamina character
rally/vigor will heal more per second and use stamina, and also allow you to use a viable off weapon ...2 -
mr1sho✭✭✭✭✭Best way for a NB to heal is keep a Templar in their pocket lol just rally and vigorGold Company Commander1
