If u stoped ur "subscription" WHY?

Balamoor · June 2016

flguy147ub17_ESO wrote: »

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You realize the game was marketed like crazy for PVP before it was launched. That is why many people bought the game. It was suppose to have huge PVP elements in it. That is why even in PVE areas you get PVP notifications.

Yes and quite honestly that was a huge mistake. Half of the player base in this game are from other ES games, these are the players that have been screaming for the ability to adventure with their friends since Oblivion was released. Then you have the core MMO players that want to craft, Run Dungeons, RP and Raid. That puts the PVPers at a disadvantage, even more so because they are the biggest collection of complainers in gaming and the PVP centric MMO market is over-saturated now.

It's took over a year for ZOS to finds its legs and audience with ESO, it may not be what you want to hear but it looks like the PVPers aren't it. That doesn't mean they are going to abandon PVP, it means they are becoming more diverse.

Erock25 · June 2016

I didn't bother reading the whole thread, but my reasons are I unsubbed and no longer play the game is because I feel the developers are extremely out of touch with the game. It makes sense too when you watch them play. They are AWFUL. No wonder they balance skills in the way that they do.

lookstwice · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

lookstwice wrote: »

I un-subbed a couple of days ago as well. But I'm just a filthy casual who just recently came back a few months ago.

For me there were are different reasons, some based on what's been said in this thread. But I'm willing to see how this whole One Tamriel thing plays out.

But now main issue is after hitting CP 160, I've lost motivation to progress since I'm not going to use any of the gear I get in drops. I don't want to change the way my armor looks with specific motifs. I spent gold and time in getting the look I want and I'll be damned if I'm going to use some random drop. Even when all the drops are upgrades for me. Now if I could at least change the look of the armor to any motif I currently know, I would have zero issues.

And if I upgrade all my crafted gear, well that's great. Now what's my motivation to run dungeons? I like upgrading and hunting for better gear, but that part is lacking for me. Once I level up one more guy, I'm sure I'll park him and/or finish the DLC's.

I really really want to continue playing this game. It's so amazing in so many ways. I sit there and think and wonder what the hell I was doing in WoW all those years.

Would be cool if you could use the Mimic stones on existing gear.

Good point!!

I was only thinking you had to use your own mats, but this would be perfect and even better. I think it would cause a little uptick in crown store purchases for consumables.

Now people like me who have more money than time. I might actually buy some mimic stones since being able to change any random drop to a known motif......well lets just say I would literally burn through the stones because I would do it for even quest rewards/drops for a level 10.

Tandor · June 2016

Thornen wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

The problem isn't that there are cheaters, the problem is that Zos are letting these guys off with temp bans and not implementing anything to stop them. Seriously you can go download CE now and use it and as long as you don't go dropping 100 meteors on someone and get recorded you will get away with it.

And if you do get caught big deal a temp ban so what..

That, and the belief that permanently banned players have had their bans lifted remain pure conjecture and rumour so far as I can see. I accept that ZOS need to communicate over this more, and in particular it would doubtless help if they implemented the publication of the number and type of bans issued each week or month, as they indicated was a reasonable proposition.

An update on what is happening is overdue, that much is certain, but in the meantime people are getting terribly excited without any clear proof of what it is they're getting excited over. It's all based on "My guildmate told me this...", "If what I saw on Reddit is true...", and "So-and-so has been reported and he's still there...", none of which is in any way conclusive evidence of anything, while ZOS are saying what most developers say which is that they're not prepared to discuss individual cases.

They do, however, need to give an update on the overall situation. Players also need to get a sense of perspective, however. While this is indeed a major issue for those who PvP and/or do competitive PvE that is by no means indicative of the game being killed off. Those who are affected by these things don't seem able to accept that there are plenty of players who simply aren't affected by them.

I hope that ZOS are cracking down on cheats, permanently, and that those who play in any way competitively get the reassurances on that that they clearly need, but meanwhile everyone else will carry on playing as usual.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Can't even dispute the misinformation because the thread will get locked. SMH lol

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Tandor wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

The problem isn't that there are cheaters, the problem is that Zos are letting these guys off with temp bans and not implementing anything to stop them. Seriously you can go download CE now and use it and as long as you don't go dropping 100 meteors on someone and get recorded you will get away with it.

And if you do get caught big deal a temp ban so what..

That, and the belief that permanently banned players have had their bans lifted remain pure conjecture and rumour so far as I can see. I accept that ZOS need to communicate over this more, and in particular it would doubtless help if they implemented the publication of the number and type of bans issued each week or month, as they indicated was a reasonable proposition.

Wouldn't really change anything.
If they told you they dished out 100 temp-bans and 35 perma-bans, they wouldn't be able to tell you who received what or why without violating their own naming and shaming policy.

So you'd have a pair of numbers and no context. bfd

Oreyn_Bearclaw · June 2016

I still sub, but I am about at my breaking point. Classes will never be perfectly balanced, and there will always be performance issues and bugs in a game of this scale, but I can't get around the blatant cheating. I know people will always find ways to hack, but that's not the issue. It is how ZOS is dealing with the people they caught red-handed. If the perma-bans do in fact get lifted, I am out.

daemonios · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror saying there are no hardcore ESO players.

Anyone got a link to the interview where he states this?
Seen it referenced a couple of times on the forums since I came back to the game but I cannot find it anywhere.

EDIT:
Found it!
ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc

He didn't say that.
He says that their metrics show people leaving and coming back a lot and that you don't so much see the "hardcore" constant play gamer as much since they removed the subscription model. He simply commented on the way the metrics have changed since subscriptions went away, but folks are treating it like he's denying they even exist and therefore deserve no consideration.

His wording is poor, admittedly, but he's commenting on the trend in general, not denying a subgroup of players exist.

That isn't what he said. Maybe he expressed himself incorrectly, but he wasn't talking trends. He stated categorically that you don't see hardcore players, and by that he said he meant players who play 6 months at a time.

In any case that's irrelevant. Firstly because that doesn't change what he said afterwards about future DLCs being developed to cater to the on-and-off demographic (which is fair enough, but as I've said before, isn't what I expected and doesn't appeal to me personally); secondly because, in my case at least, that was only the tipping point. My decision to drop the sub was also based on other reasons that I've already given.

Tandor · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

The problem isn't that there are cheaters, the problem is that Zos are letting these guys off with temp bans and not implementing anything to stop them. Seriously you can go download CE now and use it and as long as you don't go dropping 100 meteors on someone and get recorded you will get away with it.

And if you do get caught big deal a temp ban so what..

That, and the belief that permanently banned players have had their bans lifted remain pure conjecture and rumour so far as I can see. I accept that ZOS need to communicate over this more, and in particular it would doubtless help if they implemented the publication of the number and type of bans issued each week or month, as they indicated was a reasonable proposition.

Wouldn't really change anything.
If they told you they dished out 100 temp-bans and 35 perma-bans, they wouldn't be able to tell you who received what or why without violating their own naming and shaming policy.

So you'd have a pair of numbers and no context. bfd

No, but you'd see that action was being taken. No way are you ever going to get a list of banned account or character names. Which other developers provide that? Unfortunately, of course, even if they published numbers there are plenty of players who would say they didn't believe a word of it so in many ways they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.

They're probably better off just doing what they need to do behind the scenes, keeping quiet about it, and resigning themselves to the fact that the forum will give off the usual hot air while their own data logs will show them how the game is doing (which is probably just fine given the number of players we all see in the game and on the forum). Cue: "My friends list is empty", "Most of my guild haven't logged in", "I saw on Reddit that 90% of the 7 million accounts created have gone to BDO" etc

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ShedsHisTail · June 2016

daemonios wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror saying there are no hardcore ESO players.

Anyone got a link to the interview where he states this?
Seen it referenced a couple of times on the forums since I came back to the game but I cannot find it anywhere.

EDIT:
Found it!
ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc

He didn't say that.
He says that their metrics show people leaving and coming back a lot and that you don't so much see the "hardcore" constant play gamer as much since they removed the subscription model. He simply commented on the way the metrics have changed since subscriptions went away, but folks are treating it like he's denying they even exist and therefore deserve no consideration.

His wording is poor, admittedly, but he's commenting on the trend in general, not denying a subgroup of players exist.

That isn't what he said. Maybe he expressed himself incorrectly, but he wasn't talking trends. He stated categorically that you don't see hardcore players, and by that he said he meant players who play 6 months at a time.

But we all know that to be categorically false. So I think we either have to assume he doesn't know how to read a chart, or that maybe we're interpreting his intended meaning incorrectly.

In any case that's irrelevant. Firstly because that doesn't change what he said afterwards about future DLCs being developed to cater to the on-and-off demographic (which is fair enough, but as I've said before, isn't what I expected and doesn't appeal to me personally);

The DLC -model- caters to the on again of again player not necessarily the content. That's a big difference.
We've no idea what they have in the works except for a few items which have been datamined an a partial "announcement" about player housing. All we know is that the model has changed from large updates at long intervals to smaller updates at shorter intervals.

secondly because, in my case at least, that was only the tipping point. My decision to drop the sub was also based on other reasons that I've already given.

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, bro.

Alcast · June 2016

Thornen wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Thornen wrote: »

In order from highest to lowest.

1. Zenimax's inability to fix bugs.
2. Zenimax's inability to handle cheaters.
3. Zenimax's inability to fix server performance in pvp
4. Zenimax's inability to communicate to their customer base truthfully.

Edit: 5.Zenimax's class balance patches....

Oh and actively deleting threads seems to be a thing now.

HOLY BLEEP THEY DID ACTUALLY DELETE THAT THREAD COMPLETELY!!

Yep it's gone, guess we needed some

dis

Callous2208 · June 2016

One time, not long ago I dabbled in what was supposedly the latest and greatest thing. I kept my ESO sub but dedicated time to that open world, action combat, sandbox gem. It was there I truly learned what an incompetent, greedy, out of touch publisher/developer was. Hacks and bots and exploits that make the ones here look like nothing at all. Egregious pricing for necessary cash shop costumes, pets and other items so far beyond the line of pay 2 win, it was comical the game had an entry fee to begin with. Ignoring all that, it was still evident that the game itself lacked any real content and PvP was a joke. No literally, made me miss Cyro on a bad day. So unbalanced, exploitable, and completely gear based at the highest level...no skill at all. It was at this point that I looked around at all the other titles I had stopped playing over the years and realized, for all its flaws, ESO is the best MMORPG on the market. It's the mmo I've stayed hitched to the longest, and the one that has frustrated me the least over that time frame. I'm sorry for ever straying ESO, and will continue my sub for a good long while. Here's to many more wonderful years in Tamriel!

phbell · June 2016

Dromede wrote: »

phbell wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

It's just too much for me. We have
- devs / mods lying to us (or changing their mind quite frequently)
- how exploits / cheaters are dealt with
- dumbed down content
- lag / bad game performance

and now Matt Firor tells us that he can't see people playing this game for 6 months, so if I've been invisable for the last 2 years, why should I continue to support the game. But at least this explains why there was no reaction to many of my bug reports.

Pretty much this^^^

I have played this game pretty much every day since launch. ZOS won't mis me, but perhaps they will miss the roughly $300/ per year I have given them in subscriptions and crown store fluff I have purchased.

I feel a bit stupid caring as much as I do about a game who's creator cares so little about it's customer base. It's a shame really because this game could have had legs.

This, so much this. Been here since early launch, subbed all the way through, reading Matt's words was extremely weird. A little insulting and hurtful, and almost judgemental with a "waste of time" flavor. Even my husband addresses my ESO addiction in a nicer way.

With ESO+ expiring in 10 days, i'm in turmoil. At $80 a pop twice a year, i don't think i feel welcome anymore. Haven't unsubbed yet, but Matt's comment made me feel seriously uncomfortable.

I love this game dearly, and people that i play with. Do you really wanna hurt me? ® :'(

Feeling Ya. For the record while the comments by @ZOS_MattFiror are dismissive, I am only mildly disappointed because the context is easy to misread. I am far more concerned with the response to cheating, cheaters, and lifted permaban's. This response by ZOS is an insult to the games integrity. Why ZOS is not more protective of their product and reputation is a mystery.

Lenikus · June 2016

Been here since launch, not a whiny child, so i never cancel'd my sub.
ESo is new'ish among teh MMO genre, all of it's past was in teh single player RPG, everyone knew tehre would be bumps in the road, and not one mmo was perfect 100% of the time.

The game is fun, i like to waste my time in it, so i stay.

Cpt_Teemo · June 2016

Were old accounts on this game supposed to get a Steam key as well recently?

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

To anyone at ZOS who may see this, here is a helpful infographic to illustrate one of the many reasons for dropped subs - if your company cares at all, which I guess it doesn't after hearing Matt's plans to cater to people who "play for two to three weeks".

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

@HoloYoitsu
I'm starting to think you're just trying to see how many threads you can get locked.

HoloYoitsu · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

@HoloYoitsu
I'm starting to think you're just trying to see how many threads you can get locked.

I am not trying to do anything beyond providing informative posts. I don't see why that should be grounds for locking a thread, it's simply a screen cap of threads over the last 10 pages of General Discussion. Click out of Page 1 and go see for yourself. It would be a different story if ZOS deleted the threads and I was posting saved screens, but that's not the case.

Bananko · June 2016

Wasn't Ur a city in Sumeria?

coyteriarwb17_ESO · June 2016

I unsubbed because Mr Wrobel doesn't understand that player feedback will help the game. Instead he ignores it. This is why I left under a year ago because this games classes are unbalanced to the point where my main is being shafted each patch. He decides to respond with garbage answers In a garbage thread. And the state of the game now? It's absolutely terrible on xb1. Enemy NPCs not appearing, fps drops and random loading screens. It's unacceptable so I canceled straight after I subbed which was last week.

Rohamad_Ali · June 2016

Bananko wrote: »

Wasn't Ur a city in Sumeria?

Boo history class. Skools out for summer .

Gidorick · June 2016

Because ZOS dropped the subscription model and went the DLC route. The subscription perks weren't enough to justify the subscription. After voicing that opinion and there being no signs of subscription improvements from ZOS, I cancelled my sub.

MasterSpatula · June 2016

I unsubbed and uninstalled the game about the time they added an AP buff to killing delve bosses in Cyrodiil.

I've played a few MMOs, but the only ones I enjoyed PVP in were the Star Wars Galaxies' Space PVP and Cyrodiil in ESO. To me, PVP in Cyrodiiil, fighting for resources and keeps and control of the map in an ongoing war, actually felt like PVP with a story, not just a gankfest e-peen measuring contest like I saw in other games.

They actually created PVP I cared about, was even passionate about.

Then they made a change that seemed to actively encourage ganking. I was fine with PVE in a PVP zone and the risks involved, but I felt like this step was just too far. It felt like they were encouraging everything that turned me off PVP in other games and trying to take emphasis away from everything I liked.

That was the final straw in a trend of ZOS seeming to be taking a game that seemed almost designed just for me at release and changing it into a game aimed at people who like exactly the things I dislike.

I quit and returned to SWTOR for most of a year.

But SWTOR, during that year, instituted Level Sync, a game-wide downscaling for all zones. I kept playing for almost six months after that, but in the end, I need that sense of progression. It's non-negotiable. So I came back after 10-11 months away, and fell in love with ESO again.

Here comes game-wide scaling for ESO.

I hope I'm wrong, but I feel like, once again, they're trying aim the game at people who like exactly the things I dislike. So I may be gone again in the Fall. I can hope not, though.

NolaArch · June 2016

Bananko wrote: »

Wasn't Ur a city in Sumeria?

It was a city-state which isn't exactly a city; they're more sovereign than a traditional city is/was.

FortheloveofKrist · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Well, that's just, like, your opinion, bro.

@ShedsHisTail

You get an awesome for the Lebowski reference, even if unintended.

Martinus72 · June 2016

I was here from beta and through all the rough beginnings when this game was undeservedly slagged in almost every review and these forums were swarmed by doom-sayers announcing immediate death and end of the world ( still few of them left here hehe), many times been called fanboy for daring to say anything positive about this game.
Than when hit the wall with my character and the only way further was a grind at that time I took long hiatus and couple of months ago have returned to find ESO much improved and since than having a ball in Tamriel again.
I'm not gonna unsub because I love this game same like I love Elder Scrolls lore since installed Arena in 1993 on shiny 486DX BUT I am damn upset by this absolutely ridiculous decision of lifting perma-bans for cheaters, if this is really the case I'm afraid Zeni is gonna loose all credibility among most loyal supporters...

CokeVoAYCE · June 2016

HoloYoitsu wrote: »

To anyone at ZOS who may see this, here is a helpful infographic to illustrate one of the many reasons for dropped subs - if your company cares at all, which I guess it doesn't after hearing Matt's plans to cater to people who "play for two to three weeks".

yay i made it in the screenshot

TipsyDrow · June 2016

Unsubbed shortly after the thieves guild dlc after I figured out the content was artificially extended by gating the story behind repeatable daily quests and that the true extent of the dlc was about 5 hours worth of my time. Shady developing tends to annoy me. That was just the proverbial straw though. the DLC also introduced to many bandaid fixes to pvp and nothing substantive. This most recent DLC is also no reason at all to resubscribe either. The introduction of ridiculous poisons, classes still not even close being balanced, and the most recent patch breaking gap closers again all make me a (I bought it and I'll play the base game) kinda gal. Game has gone downhill in measured steps since the departure of certain devs with a vision. The only vision now is PVE DLC and profit.

BenLocoDete · June 2016

KingWhyteboi wrote: »

Because dark brotherhood everything's broken and combat feel really clunky and slow

The only thing I was expecting was DB - bought ESO upon its release, played a bit - didn't like how cliché it is. Unsubbed and never played it again for 2 years. Then subbed back 1 month before TG. ESO is even worse and everything I was expecting to be added or completed(RP server/phase and full justice system) was dropped.

Right now the game is plagued with the MMO curse of adding content just to keep their player base in the grind for POWA! Even DB seems shallow in comparison to how many P2W is taking over. But the worst thing is, Matt Firor seems happy with it, and estimates the player base around 7 million - so ESO is actually good and is making tons of money, so there is little reason for me to expect anything different than what is going on.

/unsub

BenLocoDete · June 2016

Vipstaakki wrote: »

I don't really get the point of 'I unsubbed' threats. No one on the forums really cares if you unsubbed.
You would do better job sending the news to ZOS directly. Not that it makes a difference but you are their customer so it concerns them more than the forum community..

I also miss the point of people posting on a "why I unsubbed" thread anything other than "why I unsubbed" posts.