If u stoped ur "subscription" WHY?

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

DeVoDeVo wrote: »

I thought about subbing but changed my mind because of casuals. It's all about them casuals. casuals.

I'm part of the problem.

Twilix01 · June 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

It is actually funny cause when you're new and just getting into the game, you first read that ESO is no subscription required. Of course that is true for the non-DLC portion, but then to be able to get into Wrothgar and Hew's bane (and now DB), you have to subscribe. I know you don't have to.. but, that is not the point. Normally for a good game, such as this, you would drop the extra money and get the DLC. However, unlike this game, other games' DLC are normally a one-time purchase. To experience the most out of ESO and Tamriel, you would need to get all the DLC. So, overall, ESO is technically subscription required. I find that funny because there is no mention of a required subscription for the DLCs when you first buy the main game. I guess.. unless you have the time and dedication to properly research beforehand.

You do know you can buy the DLCs with crowns, right? You don't need a sub to access them.

Bouldercleave · June 2016

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

Malthorne · June 2016

unsubbed today - I have been subbed since early access with no lapse and tbh I planned to be until the bitter end.

My reasons are the same as many who have posted here. Allowing cheaters who used 3rd party software to come back without penalty is truly a slap in the face to legitamite and dedicated players.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

I think some people are misunderstanding Matt when he said you don't see a hardcore play style. I think he simply meant when you take away the sub model people won't feel they need to play as much to get their moneys worth so they come back to the game when a new DLC comes out and leave when they beat it and then repeat for all the new DLC. I consider myself a hardcore player. I have played almost everyday since PC launch. I was not offended by what he said but that's just me. I guess people are too easily offended these days. There are still hardcore players so don't take his words as meaning "hardcore players don't exist".

RAGUNAnoOne · June 2016

I'm broke and need to budget and every dollar adds up...

Bouldercleave · June 2016

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

SwaminoNowlino · June 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

So if you legitimately earned something, and it was taken away from you because someone cheated, you would just say "aww shucks?" I never stated its about being more powerful but anyone else, but VMA sucks and is a struggle to some people. Someone could have gotten very lucky and worked very hard to get on the weekly board, and then bumped because of cheating. I think they'd have a right to be upset. But if you're just saying "aww shucks" then we will have to agree to disagree.

Thornen · June 2016

Bouldercleave wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

All I have really gotten from this thread is that some people take this game WAY too seriously.

I cancelled my sub a while back and took about a year off - came back to the game and resubbed for the craft bag, crowns, and DLCs and honestly am having a complete blast playing again.

I don't really care about PVP, so all the issues with cheating and doing 8 less DPS than the other guy really amounts to nothing for me.

I have no real lag issues, have only seen a few minor bugs, and only one broken quest since my time back. But then again, my entire existence doesn't revolve around what ZoS does or doesn't do.

This mindset that it is limited to PVP is so bogus and speaks to a lack of understanding/comprehension/effort. People were bumped from the VMA leaderboards (PVE content) by people who were cheating. That means people did not get a chance at the weapon or jewelry they earned. People to this day could be doing a leaderboard qualifying run and continue to be kicked off the board by folks cheating. Same with the trials. Its not just a PVP issue.

I think you missed the bigger picture here.

I'm aware that cheating spills over to PVE as well as the issues with PVP, and essentially affects the greater community. My point is that if you are willing to quit because you aren't on the VMA leaderboard and don't get a weapon or piece of jewelry so your "toon" can be more "e-awesome" than the guy beside you, it may be time to take a step back and adjust your priorities.

I've been on this earth a long time - I find that there will always be cheaters, exploiters, bots, etc. If you let them ruin your enjoyment then the terrorists win. You will not find a game MMO or otherwise that cannot be exploited. To take your toys home and quit because of it is just, well silly.

The problem isn't that there are cheaters, the problem is that Zos are letting these guys off with temp bans and not implementing anything to stop them. Seriously you can go download CE now and use it and as long as you don't go dropping 100 meteors on someone and get recorded you will get away with it.

And if you do get caught big deal a temp ban so what..

PhxOldGamer68 · June 2016

I start when DLC comes out. I finish it. I stop. Now I have craft bag with thousands of items instead of filling up my bank and mules. By the time I fill up my bank and mules again, a new DLC will come out and all will get automatically transferred to the craft bag when I sign up again for a month.

Drakoleon · June 2016

Am not quitting! I'll play without sub and am not going to spend a cent for this game until they fix it!
Sorry guys but keep paying subs to a BROKEN GAME is just......stupid.

lathbury · June 2016

daemonios wrote: »

As I stated in my thread, I cancelled my ESO+ subscription because I have no reason to believe ZOS will be bringing the game back to something I want to support financially.

The straw that broke the camel's back would be Matt Firor's interview where he basically wrote off zero-day subscribers like me. In his words, ZOS will cater the game to people who log in after a DLC is out, play for 2 weeks then leave again.

I and many others have subscribed to the game since early access and have kept our subs through the initial item dupe exploits, bot-ridden delves, teleporting crafting node farmers, then the infamous "lighting" patch that broke Cyrodiil bringing most players' FPS down to single digits, the bait-and-switch of announcing their commitment to a subscription-only model and then going F2P, the months upon months of waiting for new content which going forward will consist of tiny "episodic" DLC...

We've also seen every single aspect of the game turn into a grind and RNG fest. Remember when motifs were books you randomly found and went "oh, neat, a motif!"? With the Dwemer one they introduced 14 separate pages for each motif, and with Glass they broke each of those into 10 fragments tied to RNG and a non-repeatable daily quest. Item sets are the same, layer upon layer of RNG, coupled with BoP, meaning that regardless of the effort you put in you may never see a particular piece of gear ever...

Not to mention the constant bugs - after TG launched I couldn't res using soul gems for 3 weeks, now since DB I can't use mementos; random long loading screens, especially in Cyrodiil, inability to use doors without switching weapons, roll dodging and/or killing your firstborn, in-combat status for minutes after any action has ended, rendering you unable to mount or efficiently recover resources...

In Matt Firor's view, which for all purposes is ZOS' view, these players are worth nothing to the company. Zero. I've spent north of €400 on this game, between the purchase and keeping my sub from the very first day. Apparently they don't appreciate my patronage, nor do they need it going forward. I'm happy to comply.

EXACTLY i let mine sub drop for the first time when i saw the pts. I would add they have still not fixed stuff bug reported months ago like alchemy enchantments.

clayandaudrey_ESO · June 2016

lathbury wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

As I stated in my thread, I cancelled my ESO+ subscription because I have no reason to believe ZOS will be bringing the game back to something I want to support financially.

The straw that broke the camel's back would be Matt Firor's interview where he basically wrote off zero-day subscribers like me. In his words, ZOS will cater the game to people who log in after a DLC is out, play for 2 weeks then leave again.

I and many others have subscribed to the game since early access and have kept our subs through the initial item dupe exploits, bot-ridden delves, teleporting crafting node farmers, then the infamous "lighting" patch that broke Cyrodiil bringing most players' FPS down to single digits, the bait-and-switch of announcing their commitment to a subscription-only model and then going F2P, the months upon months of waiting for new content which going forward will consist of tiny "episodic" DLC...

We've also seen every single aspect of the game turn into a grind and RNG fest. Remember when motifs were books you randomly found and went "oh, neat, a motif!"? With the Dwemer one they introduced 14 separate pages for each motif, and with Glass they broke each of those into 10 fragments tied to RNG and a non-repeatable daily quest. Item sets are the same, layer upon layer of RNG, coupled with BoP, meaning that regardless of the effort you put in you may never see a particular piece of gear ever...

Not to mention the constant bugs - after TG launched I couldn't res using soul gems for 3 weeks, now since DB I can't use mementos; random long loading screens, especially in Cyrodiil, inability to use doors without switching weapons, roll dodging and/or killing your firstborn, in-combat status for minutes after any action has ended, rendering you unable to mount or efficiently recover resources...

In Matt Firor's view, which for all purposes is ZOS' view, these players are worth nothing to the company. Zero. I've spent north of €400 on this game, between the purchase and keeping my sub from the very first day. Apparently they don't appreciate my patronage, nor do they need it going forward. I'm happy to comply.

EXACTLY i let mine sub drop for the first time when i saw the pts. I would add they have still not fixed stuff bug reported months ago like alchemy enchantments.

OR things reported to them since beta like cheat engine.

Avonna · June 2016

TheHsN wrote: »

I stop it when i see there isnt balance between CLASSES
and when i understand they cant fix LAGs

i stopped paying / playing 11 months ago. i stopped because i was online looking for fixes for all the crashes, and lag.
i spent more time looking for fixes and tweeks and trying different things just to PLAY , then playing the game itself. it was a hot mess back then......still read the forums because i was waiting for the dark brotherhood....but it seems like the crashes , and lag , and all its skills not working has NOT changed since i left ....so yeah....done with the game.

games should be enjoyed, not give you a headache.

Thybrinena · June 2016

First they came for the Templars, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Templar.

Then they came for the Knightblades, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Knightblades.

Then they came for the Dragonknights, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Dragonknight.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Pallio · June 2016

Because my credit card expired.

NolaArch · June 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Because trying to PvP cleanly is like trying to play baseball during the steroid era of the late 90s/early 2000s. Roids were illegal, but management looked the other way as $$$ flowed into their coffers and every game you played would pit you against cheaters.

Exactly this!

NolaArch · June 2016

When my sub ends, I won't be renewing. I have been subbing every month, like a good little player, since April 10, 2014. But this is the last sub cycle for me.

Reasons: What Matt Firor said, and the complete 180 on how CE users were handled. That, and the closing of Nifty's thread regarding said CE issue, and the unbanning of permabanned --excuse me "permabanned"-- cheaters.

I'm very disappointed in the response from Zos. I guess I expected more. Joke's on me!

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Not being critical here, really.

But I can't help but think that, in a game which doesn't require a subscription to play, cancelling your sub might not have the impact you think it will.

I mean, if you started a boycott of all future DLC, that might have a little traction. But cancelling your sub? ZOS already knows that a huge fraction of their player-base doesn't sub anyway. You guys area drop in the bucket.

KhajiitiLizard · June 2016

I haven't subbed since October of last year... been playing MMOs where the devs actually give a 4 letter word that rhymes with duck.

NeillMcAttack · June 2016

I'd like to weigh in as a current, happy, subscriber. First of all, You all took Matt's comment way to seriously. He never claimed that they don't care about the long time players. To take something that someone says at a 'Press Conference' so literally and personally is just down right immature i'm sorry to say.

He used the term Cater, not in the sense many of you are making it out like. He simply made a point that that is how many players play their games, and it is, sorry, but that is the truth, I'm willing to bet many of you that are complaining about the comment have taken breaks for other games before? He undoubtedly meant that it's just what he sees in the data. And it is nothing more than coincidence it lined up with how they released their last two DLC's, as we all very well know, they have been planned for well over a year now. Does anyone want to list the sheer amount of other games that have came and went since they planned their release schedule? Me neither. But a LOT and the fact that they have players return here is an un-deniable achievement these days in the gaming markets. I think that is what Matt recognized and wanted to refer to.

As for the other complaints, i find a lot of them to be valid. Especially the CE ones, being a console player it's not such a problem for me, but if I felt that there is a half decent chance that i wasn't playing on an even playing field, I could easily see myself losing the will to attempt competition. Also, the performance and such, nothing more frustrating than planning a night gaming and then finding out, we need a hotfix, or the load screens are acting the complete bollocks, etc etc.

Dromede · June 2016

phbell wrote: »

lolo_01b16_ESO wrote: »

It's just too much for me. We have
- devs / mods lying to us (or changing their mind quite frequently)
- how exploits / cheaters are dealt with
- dumbed down content
- lag / bad game performance

and now Matt Firor tells us that he can't see people playing this game for 6 months, so if I've been invisable for the last 2 years, why should I continue to support the game. But at least this explains why there was no reaction to many of my bug reports.

Pretty much this^^^

I have played this game pretty much every day since launch. ZOS won't mis me, but perhaps they will miss the roughly $300/ per year I have given them in subscriptions and crown store fluff I have purchased.

I feel a bit stupid caring as much as I do about a game who's creator cares so little about it's customer base. It's a shame really because this game could have had legs.

This, so much this. Been here since early launch, subbed all the way through, reading Matt's words was extremely weird. A little insulting and hurtful, and almost judgemental with a "waste of time" flavor. Even my husband addresses my ESO addiction in a nicer way.

With ESO+ expiring in 10 days, i'm in turmoil. At $80 a pop twice a year, i don't think i feel welcome anymore. Haven't unsubbed yet, but Matt's comment made me feel seriously uncomfortable.

I love this game dearly, and people that i play with. Do you really wanna hurt me? ® :'(

Zinaroth · June 2016

Turelus wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror saying there are no hardcore ESO players.

Anyone got a link to the interview where he states this?
Seen it referenced a couple of times on the forums since I came back to the game but I cannot find it anywhere.

EDIT:
Found it!
ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc

Axoinus · June 2016

I started a 6 month recurring sub about 2 weeks ago. Have logged in twice since then.

In yo faaaacceee!!!

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror saying there are no hardcore ESO players.

Anyone got a link to the interview where he states this?
Seen it referenced a couple of times on the forums since I came back to the game but I cannot find it anywhere.

EDIT:
Found it!
ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc

He didn't say that.
He says that their metrics show people leaving and coming back a lot and that you don't so much see the "hardcore" constant play gamer as much since they removed the subscription model. He simply commented on the way the metrics have changed since subscriptions went away, but folks are treating it like he's denying they even exist and therefore deserve no consideration.

His wording is poor, admittedly, but he's commenting on the trend in general, not denying a subgroup of players exist.

lookstwice · June 2016

I un-subbed a couple of days ago as well. But I'm just a filthy casual who just recently came back a few months ago.

For me there were are different reasons, some based on what's been said in this thread. But I'm willing to see how this whole One Tamriel thing plays out.

But now main issue is after hitting CP 160, I've lost motivation to progress since I'm not going to use any of the gear I get in drops. I don't want to change the way my armor looks with specific motifs. I spent gold and time in getting the look I want and I'll be damned if I'm going to use some random drop. Even when all the drops are upgrades for me. Now if I could at least change the look of the armor to any motif I currently know, I would have zero issues.

And if I upgrade all my crafted gear, well that's great. Now what's my motivation to run dungeons? I like upgrading and hunting for better gear, but that part is lacking for me. Once I level up one more guy, I'm sure I'll park him and/or finish the DLC's.

I really really want to continue playing this game. It's so amazing in so many ways. I sit there and think and wonder what the hell I was doing in WoW all those years.

Balamoor · June 2016

Forgive me I'm going to ramble a bit....

This post was created to basically form an angry mob and to chant why ZOS sucks nothing more. It's apparent in the shouting down of anyone who has positive things to say about the game or subbing.

Subbing in ESO is a option, just because you unsub doesn't mean you stop playing, buying crowns DLC's or items and really doesn't effect the health of the game/company/community.

All I know is this game is full of people, the cities are much more crowded than just about any other MMO I'm playing. I honestly don't think ZOS is worrying too much about folks raging on the forums because that's what happens on forums.

Every MMO has issues, but as MMO's go there is more to like about ESO than to not like. If you want to see a studio in trouble check out Wildstar, I have a good friend that currently works for Carbine Studios and they are facing the stark reality of being kicked to the curb by their publisher for embracing what a vocal minority is crying about on the forums. (Supposed dumb down content not enough catering to hardcores etc) Then you have about ten other MMo's that are dead or dying because they are PVP centric.

The point is ZOS is doing what it takes to survive in a tough market and it's not going to please everyone.

Zinaroth · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

Zinaroth wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

@ZOS_MattFiror saying there are no hardcore ESO players.

Anyone got a link to the interview where he states this?
Seen it referenced a couple of times on the forums since I came back to the game but I cannot find it anywhere.

EDIT:
Found it!
ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc

He didn't say that.
He says that their metrics show people leaving and coming back a lot and that you don't so much see the "hardcore" constant play gamer as much since they removed the subscription model. He simply commented on the way the metrics have changed since subscriptions went away, but folks are treating it like he's denying they even exist and therefore deserve no consideration.

His wording is poor, admittedly, but he's commenting on the trend in general, not denying a subgroup of players exist.

That is pretty much what I gathered from it aswell, and I expected as much.
People overreacting as usual.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

lookstwice wrote: »

I un-subbed a couple of days ago as well. But I'm just a filthy casual who just recently came back a few months ago.

For me there were are different reasons, some based on what's been said in this thread. But I'm willing to see how this whole One Tamriel thing plays out.

But now main issue is after hitting CP 160, I've lost motivation to progress since I'm not going to use any of the gear I get in drops. I don't want to change the way my armor looks with specific motifs. I spent gold and time in getting the look I want and I'll be damned if I'm going to use some random drop. Even when all the drops are upgrades for me. Now if I could at least change the look of the armor to any motif I currently know, I would have zero issues.

And if I upgrade all my crafted gear, well that's great. Now what's my motivation to run dungeons? I like upgrading and hunting for better gear, but that part is lacking for me. Once I level up one more guy, I'm sure I'll park him and/or finish the DLC's.

I really really want to continue playing this game. It's so amazing in so many ways. I sit there and think and wonder what the hell I was doing in WoW all those years.

Would be cool if you could use the Mimic stones on existing gear.