Gutted stam-blade

Boradordin · June 2016

I never had the biggest, baddesr stam-blade but I was comfortable with it. The latest, greatest release on the PS4, The Dark Brotherhood, took a decent toon and made it worse.

Why? The main reason appears to be the gutting of Flawless Dawbreaker. In lieu of 8% wepon damage it now does only 2% damage. In my case it dropped my weapon damage in excess of 200 points. The only possible reason for this would seem to be that those playing vampires went crying to Daddy ZOS. They nerfed vampires once before to become supreme then adjusted stamina-based characters to make them somewhat competitive. Now it has swung the other way with vampires yet again in the ascendancy.

To make matters worse Rapid Strikes lost 25% of its damage potential, dropping from 1,600+ damage (X five) to 1,200+ (X five). Some of this is due to the aforementioned change to Flawless Dawbreaker, additional reduction in damage is Rapid Strikes.

To further degrade a stamina-based character Wrecking Blow became a useless skill. In other words, save yourself the two skill points. Agreed, the damage is still respectable, but removing the stun ability has ruined the skill. This came about because neophytes, who should not have been in Cyrodil in the first place, went crying yet again to Daddy ZOS. What in Molag Bals world is a level 30 character doing in Cyrodil anyhow! If you are going to reme a stun from the Two-Haned skill line, remove stun from all the weapon skill lines. If you have not already done so.

I could likely purchase or craft new gold CP 160 gear to the tune of half a million gold to try and repair ZOS's morphs. This happened three months ago. But then why do so if Daddy ZOS is going to change the rules yet again in three months!

Thank you yet again ZOS for taking a decent concept of a game and "teweaking" it to be mundane in the endless moronic "fixes" to satisfy the children. A job well done.

A Disillusioned Disgruntled Player on the PS4

SublimeSparo · June 2016

Remorph wrecking blow to dizzying swing, Flawless DawnBreaker should give 5% wd and then you shpuld get 3% for slotting it so it shouldn't have changed anything.
The cast time of rapid strikes was halved so you have to cast it twice for the same damage as before...

Thornen · June 2016

Lol mate dawnbreaker hits harder than it ever did on stam now.

Boradordin · June 2016

P.S. Remove the "300%" portion in the Rapid Strikes description, replacing it with an actual number. I don't keep a calculator handy when I want to know my potential damage. This applies in other instances where a percentage variable is used. I would think a vestige of common sense would indicate this. Conversely, give the actual number, placing the percentage in parenthesis.

Sigma957 · June 2016

Should use dawnbreaker of smiting as it delivers huge damage and knocks down opponents,rapids got a buff.

acw37162 · June 2016

Flawless dawnbreaker is still 8% total weapon damage.

3% for purchasing all three slayer passives to earn a 3% boost.

Fully morphed flawless is plus 5%

Total 8%

If you slot any other fighters guild skill you get another 3% for a grand total of 11%

If you haven't morphed it fully or purchased your passives you need a couple of skill points and to grind out your morphs.

Publius_Scipio · June 2016

DB patch made stamina better......

thesesneaksaredopeb14a_ESO · June 2016

I find it extremely weird why they removed extra damage from fighters guild skills to daedra. It makes why they would do more damage especially dawn breaker. We know that got that from the skyrim sword that did extra damage to daedra changing it seems so senseless

Amdar_Godkiller · June 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Flawless dawnbreaker is still 8% total weapon damage.

3% for purchasing all three slayer passives to earn a 3% boost.

Fully morphed flawless is plus 5%

Total 8%

If you slot any other fighters guild skill you get another 3% for a grand total of 11%

If you haven't morphed it fully or purchased your passives you need a couple of skill points and to grind out your morphs.

What this guy said. Flawless Dawnbreaker delivers the same passive bonuses, it just hits 200% harder now.

susmitds · June 2016

Man, did you use the Rapid Strikes? It surpassed even Surprise Attack by 60% in terms of damage potential.

SublimeSparo · June 2016

thesesneaksaredopeb14a_ESO wrote: »

I find it extremely weird why they removed extra damage from fighters guild skills to daedra. It makes why they would do more damage especially dawn breaker. We know that got that from the skyrim sword that did extra damage to daedra changing it seems so senseless

They removed the extra damage against daedra and undead from normal attacks, but you get 20% more damage against them from FG abilities, including DawnBreaker

AzraelKrieg · June 2016

Sigma957 wrote: »

Should use dawnbreaker of smiting as it delivers huge damage and knocks down opponents,rapids got a buff.

^This

I switched to Smiting for my stamplar and to be honest, I prefer it over Flawless

sirrmattus · June 2016

Lmao. Stam Nb hit harder now than they ever did Dude.

Brrrofski · June 2016

Stam nightblade, one of the strongest classes already, got like 6 or 7 really good buffs.

The only single nerf a stam Nb for was ambush doing like 3.5% less. Compared to what you gained, it's nothing.

What planet are you on OP?

Brrrofski · June 2016

AzraelKrieg wrote: »

Sigma957 wrote: »

Should use dawnbreaker of smiting as it delivers huge damage and knocks down opponents,rapids got a buff.

^This

I switched to Smiting for my stamplar and to be honest, I prefer it over Flawless

Smiting is OP as hell lol. I'm using it on my stamplar too and it's awesome

Mashille · June 2016

khele23eb17_ESO · June 2016

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam nightblade, one of the strongest classes already, got like 6 or 7 really good buffs.

I agree with the buff part but I wouldnt say its one of the strongest unless youre talking about pvp ganking. Definitely not the weakest but certainly nowhere close to stam DKs.

Brrrofski · June 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Stam nightblade, one of the strongest classes already, got like 6 or 7 really good buffs.

I agree with the buff part but I wouldnt say its one of the strongest unless youre talking about pvp ganking. Definitely not the weakest but certainly nowhere close to stam DKs.

Pvp in general it's there with stam Dk. I know it's bad in pve.

Ridiculous damage, best passives of any class, great survivability and a spammable ultimate. They're super strong.

FloppyTouch · June 2016

...I'm done

Sunburnt_Penguin · June 2016

lol what did I just read?

Tryxus · June 2016

-facedesk-

DurzoBlint13 · June 2016

WTF?!?!? Did someone drink too much today?

Voxicity · June 2016

wat

seriously

WAT

THEDKEXPERIENCE · June 2016

Honestly, when was the last time anyone died from Dawnbreaker?

Nirnrotten · June 2016

Yeah it's posts like these that I don't understand. There are many balance issues in the game and bugs to be fixed, and then people complain about the stuff that isn't broken.

Stamblades are more than fine right now. ZOS has bigger fish to fry. Slot Trap Beast and QQ less.

Voxicity · June 2016

danielpatrickkeaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Honestly, when was the last time anyone died from Dawnbreaker?

Heavy attack, surprise attack, dawnbreaker

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

acw37162 wrote: »

Flawless dawnbreaker is still 8% total weapon damage.

3% for purchasing all three slayer passives to earn a 3% boost.

Fully morphed flawless is plus 5%

Total 8%

If you slot any other fighters guild skill you get another 3% for a grand total of 11%

If you haven't morphed it fully or purchased your passives you need a couple of skill points and to grind out your morphs.

Yeah it goes up to a max of 20% but more importantly it was an overall buff to FG and to stamina. If the OP thinks that WB is ruined because of the loss of the knockdown then he is precisely the kind of noob that only uses WB spam.

WB was hitting too hard to also have a knockdown and empower, it wasn't like it was unbeatable but it was too strong which is why they shifted to have the knockdown and empower on separate morphs. The skill still hits ridiculously hard it's just not going to grant empower without sacrificing the knockdown. That is what is called balance.

That the OP was using WB on a stam NB instead of SA is just sad...

rhapsodious · June 2016

My stamblade has never been happier, and I barely changed my build from TG to DB.

The only thing I'm miffed about, really, is the Evil Hunter change. But even then I slot it for the passive damage and crit bonuses.

Boradordin · June 2016

First, thanks for the comments both constructive and inane. Second, I've been playing PC games since before most of you were a gleam in your Daddy's eye. Anyone ever heard of Pools of Radiance? So you can cease with the neophyte noob console comments. In other words, if you cannot be constructive in your comments go change your diaper and get a new pacifier.

Now to specifics. With Flawless Dawnbreaker as the ultimate and Camouflaged Hunter on the bar weapon damage gets a 5% bonus. That is with all passives except for the last. Interestingly, I don't need Camo on the bar for the bonus, just FDB by itself. I wish I could pass along a screen shot but that is impossible using the console image mechanics. As for Smiting, to each their own.

As for Wrecking Blow losing its ability to stun I will take a look at Dizzying Swing. IF I want to take the time to write down the allocation for nearly 300 skill points yet once again. And no, I am not a Wrecking Blow spammer. I leave that to the idiotic children who couldn't kill a skeever any other way.

Now to the comment regarding Rapid Strikes. No one has offered a solution as to why the damage dropped 400 points per light attack. Yes, my overall weapon damage is part of it. However, the loss of 200 weapon damage should not equate to 400 damage (X5) for RS. And my comment about keeping a calculator handy still stands.

I will concede on the issue of Wrecking Blow, agreeing that they properly balanced it. After carefully studying all the thread comments, excepting those made by children, I've come to a realization. Though it should not be so, there is a difference between the PC and the PS4. I cannot comment on the XBox console. The difference shows in that I have 5% weapon damage with all applicable passives when using Flawless Dawbreaker (console), with others, presumably on the PC, reporting weapon damage upwards of 11%.

Thank you for the profferred comment MuddledMuppet. It shows a refreshing voice and I refer the earlier comments I made.

susmitds · June 2016

As far as PvP as goes, Stamblade is perfectly fine. They are easily the strongest in solo or small groups, even better than Stam DK in that regard. In large groups, they may not be the best or as good as Stamina DKs or Magicka NBs but they can make their presence felt.

On the other hand, as far as PvE, Stamblades are the weakest class and definitely could use some help.

Julianos · June 2016

stamblades are better now