clocksstoppe wrote: »

OP, the interesting thing you will notice is that there has not been a single comment from any ZOS employee on this matter and there never will be. The reason: they are ashamed of this greedy cash grab forced onto them by management. Anyone with half a brain knows it's a big issue for people who purchased DLC and that it's wrong to not offer them the option to buy the bag.

The problem is, of course, that subs find comfort from the fact that they are being extorted for this crafting bag by laughing at people in your situation. It's quite sad how selfish, greedy, and shallow most subs are. You will never get their support on this matter.

Sometimes I wonder if people think Matt Firor is like Dr. Claw or something, sitting in an aged leather chair in front of a roaring fire, gently stroking an overweight housecat while cackling "Yeeesss... the tears of the unsubscribed sustain me."

Seriously, it's a subscription perk for a video game, not the first step towards some horrific dystopian future.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

OP, the interesting thing you will notice is that there has not been a single comment from any ZOS employee on this matter and there never will be. The reason: they are ashamed of this greedy cash grab forced onto them by management. Anyone with half a brain knows it's a big issue for people who purchased DLC and that it's wrong to not offer them the option to buy the bag.

The problem is, of course, that subs find comfort from the fact that they are being extorted for this crafting bag by laughing at people in your situation. It's quite sad how selfish, greedy, and shallow most subs are. You will never get their support on this matter.

Subs incentives are greedy cash grabs? Subscribers are selfish, greedy and shallow for expecting some type of reward/perk for investing in a game they could play for free? Kids these days, sheesh.The problem is people like you who would never be satisfied no matter what they decided to add as a sub perk. The problem is people like you who choose to ignore the fact that if the bag is purchasable, once again there will be little if any reason to sub. I know it hurts, I get it. A few moons back you were probably trolling some poor sod who said he subbed, lambasting him for subbing even though the perks were so terrible. Now the shoe is on the other foot and you can't deal. It's okay, it'll pass. Why not sub and let the craft bag hold all those salty tears? It has unlimited space you know.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

wayfarerx wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

OP, the interesting thing you will notice is that there has not been a single comment from any ZOS employee on this matter and there never will be. The reason: they are ashamed of this greedy cash grab forced onto them by management. Anyone with half a brain knows it's a big issue for people who purchased DLC and that it's wrong to not offer them the option to buy the bag.

The problem is, of course, that subs find comfort from the fact that they are being extorted for this crafting bag by laughing at people in your situation. It's quite sad how selfish, greedy, and shallow most subs are. You will never get their support on this matter.

Sometimes I wonder if people think Matt Firor is like Dr. Claw or something, sitting in an aged leather chair in front of a roaring fire, gently stroking an overweight housecat while cackling "Yeeesss... the tears of the unsubscribed sustain me."

Seriously, it's a subscription perk for a video game, not the first step towards some horrific dystopian future.

And your point is?

What was yours?

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clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

A few moons back you were probably trolling some poor sod who said he subbed, lambasting him for subbing even though the perks were so terrible.

Thanks again for proving how shallow you and most subs are, with these ridiculous baseless claims that have no purpose other than to insult nonsubs.

I want you to read what you just wrote, then review some of your other comments in regards to "subs." Your hypocrisy is so apparent it's actually comical. I won't wait around until you get it, as I can see I'm dealing with someone of limited intelligence/maturity. You know what, I'll leave you with a little hint at what I'm getting at.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

The problem is, of course, that subs find comfort from the fact that they are being extorted for this crafting bag by laughing at people in your situation. It's quite sad how selfish, greedy, and shallow most subs are. You will never get their support on this matter.

Ridiculous and baseless claims that have no purpose other than to insult others eh? Yea, good call.

Except what you highlighted is not baseless. You can browse this thread and see that all the subs hating on OP are proving my point. Including you. Good luck proving that I said what I never said though

Yea, nice try. You see, in the adult world people can have a different opinion than you (for now that is) without being a troll or hater. This also doesn't make them selfish, greedy, shallow or any other adjective you decide to label them as. The hate and vitriol you see is directed at people like yourself, not so much OP. You have decided to make outlandish statements in defense of the op, peppered with insults. You've poked the bear in essence, and now all us "subs" would rather blast or ignore you. Let us also not forget that this is the 1000000000000000000th thread regarding this topic. You'll forgive us if at this point, we're just a wee bit tired of your moaning. No one gave a damn when we pleaded for better sub perks. These topics were met with just as much hate and bashing from the non sub crowd. Now we have one such perk. You're gonna have to put on your big boy pants and decide whether it's worth it to you to join us, or continue to wallow in self pity.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

This also doesn't make them selfish, greedy

Wanting nonsubs to never be able to access the craft bags is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL.

Wanting subs to never have a worthwhile perk is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL. I was a kid once too. I can still hang with your poorly thought out teenage arguments.

binho wrote: »

I don't subscribe but I totally agree with crafting bags!
People that pay monthly should get something for their money! "Paying customers" make the game go foward, not people that constantly complain.

My question to those who continue to make the argument that crafting bags need to be exclusive to ESO Plus because "subscribing should have perks":

Isn't access to all DLC also one of the "perks" of having a subscription? The ability to purchase DLC does not make this stop being a perk available to subscribers. So how would having the ability to purchase craft bags (or an equivalent, such as limited profession based craft bags, etc.) make craft bag access stop being a subscriber perk?

Volkodav wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

binho wrote: »

I don't subscribe but I totally agree with crafting bags!
People that pay monthly should get something for their money! "Paying customers" make the game go foward, not people that constantly complain.

@binho

In your way of using "paying customers" does that exclude customers who buy crowns at an average of 1500/month?

Yes,it does.Those people who buy crowns every month,..MAYBE,..arent guaranteed income.If they sign a contract to do that then and only then should they be considered genuine paying customers.
I am fairly sure 99% of players do NOT buy that many crowns every month.I think they may buy that many whenever it suites them,but not as a continual thing.

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I'm sorry, but exactly what contract have subscribers signed? The answer of course is "none". No ESO player has signed any contract, nor is any player under any obligation to pay ZOS anything further than they have already paid. When you subscribe, you set up the convenience of an automatically recurring payment, but you retain the right and ability to cancel this payment at any time. There is no defined period of time for which this payment must be maintained, and there is no obligation to continue it. So by your definition, no ESO player, subscriber or not, should be considered "genuine paying customers". Really, this continued elitism of subscribers vs. non-subscribers is asinine.

Here is the problem that is at the crux of the crafting bag issue. When ZOS chose to change the game to launch Tamriel Unlimited, they established that there were now two legitimate and equally acceptable methods of getting access to the content of ESO: players could purchase the game, and then maintain a monthly subscription which would get them continued access to all of the game's content, or they could purchase the game, and then purchase access to additional content as it became available ala carte. It is worth noting that many other MMOs have employed one or the other of these pay models, but few have implemented both at the same time. Regardless, when ZOS established both of these models as options for their players and customers, they declared that both would be equally valid methods to access the content of ESO. This was their promise to us, and different players with different preferences each chose to invest in one or the other of these methods based on that promise.

Now, with the introduction of crafting bags as a subscriber-only benefit, with no equivalent option for the alternative purchase model, ZOS has made one of these two models less valid than the other. This clearly runs contrary to their initial declaration and promise, so yes it is disingenuous, as it casts doubt on their integrity, and it raises the question of what ZOS may do in the future to further invalidate and delegitimize one of the pay methods which we were told was equally acceptable as an option. In the case of many of us, this is being done after ZOS has accepted significant amounts of our money under this pay model, which only serves to further destroy customer trust in ZOS' ethics and integrity.

I can only speak for myself in this last part, but I know that I for one will not subscribe to gain access to these craft bags, specifically because I choose not to reward dishonest business practices. It will also likely be some time before I purchase any more crowns, as ZOS will have to regain my trust as a customer before I do so, and once my trust is lost, it is very difficult to earn back.

No it's not. Tough luck. If you want a crafting bag, then subscribe like the rest of us.

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

This also doesn't make them selfish, greedy

Wanting nonsubs to never be able to access the craft bags is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL.

Wanting subs to never have a worthwhile perk is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL. I was a kid once too. I can still hang with your poorly thought out teenage arguments.

But you already have worthwhile perks, like the craft bag. What are you talking about? Nobody here asked for it to be removed from ESO plus.

I have no words. I'll try though. You realize what a perk is...right? The craft bag is the only worthwhile perk. Why would I continue to sub if the only worthwhile perk is a one time purchase from the crown store? I feel like you're just messing with me on that last comment. You do realize that before the craft bag, buying crowns on sale throughout the year, then using them to buy the dlc's outright is actually a better option than subbing, right? Having the only good perk obtainable in some other, cheaper in the long run fashion, kinda makes it less than appealing to sub for that "perk." Doesn't it now?

Davor wrote: »

What is this bag people are talking about? I am on Xbox One if it makes a difference.

Open your inventory. Press RB.

Didn't you wonder where all your mats went?

Callous2208 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

clocksstoppe wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

This also doesn't make them selfish, greedy

Wanting nonsubs to never be able to access the craft bags is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL.

Wanting subs to never have a worthwhile perk is definitely not selfish or greedy right? LOL. I was a kid once too. I can still hang with your poorly thought out teenage arguments.

But you already have worthwhile perks, like the craft bag. What are you talking about? Nobody here asked for it to be removed from ESO plus.

I have no words. I'll try though. You realize what a perk is...right? The craft bag is the only worthwhile perk. Why would I continue to sub if the only worthwhile perk is a one time purchase from the crown store? I feel like you're just messing with me on that last comment. You do realize that before the craft bag, buying crowns on sale throughout the year, then using them to buy the dlc's outright is actually a better option than subbing, right? Having the only good perk obtainable in some other, cheaper in the long run fashion, kinda makes it less than appealing to sub for that "perk." Doesn't it now?

Do you realize what a perk is? Do you realize that subscribing offers more perks than just the craft bags? Do you realize that many of these perks are also available for purchase in the crown store, and that the option to purchase them has not stopped them from still being subscriber perks? Why should craft bags be any different?

Because most of us realize that this is a good business practice as opposed to being a shady one.