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I feel not offering crafting bags "for purchase" is disingenuous
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
I think you have mistaken your word here.This is the meaning of disingenuous:
"not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."
Also this:
"insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical"
How is ZOS being any of these in regards to the crafting bag?
It wasnt advertised as part of the game when anyone started playing.
It has only just within this month been "added".It was never part of your deal with ZOS when purchasing the game.
So,they are NOT disingenuous at all.4 -
Reevster✭✭✭✭✭Not this again, why not post your views in one of the many other threads, no need to start a new one.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭.NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
I think RandalMarrs above has given a good reasoning, for why it is in the base game patch.Edited by Lysette on June 14, 2016 6:39PM2 -
ComboBreaker88✭✭✭✭✭
✭DarkWombat wrote: »Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???
At end game, craft bags are the only perk worth having.3 -
RandalMarrs✭✭✭I think the op is done here and now it's just turned into one of the old threads and should be closed.Edited by RandalMarrs on June 14, 2016 6:39PM3
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
I think you have mistaken your word here.This is the meaning of disingenuous:
"not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."
Also this:
"insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical"
How is ZOS being any of these in regards to the crafting bag?
It wasnt advertised as part of the game when anyone started playing.
It has only just within this month been "added".It was never part of your deal with ZOS when purchasing the game.
So,they are NOT disingenuous at all.
@Volkodav
It's the correct use of the word actually.
The crafting bag is listed as a base game patch update feature.
ZOS prior has confirmed that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription but this one feature now does.
Their prior statement is now disingenuousEdited by NewBlacksmurf on June 14, 2016 6:40PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
I think you're playing fast and loose with semantics here. Yes, due to the fact that crafting bags are not tied to a specific DLC they are technically part of the "base game." However, ZOS never once mentioned crafting bags as anything but an ESO+ perk.
If they put "Crafting Bag" in its own section in the patch notes (maybe "Subscriber Perks" or something) would that really change what they are doing from disingenuous to above board?@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion5 -
myrrrorb14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭Of course it's a base game feature. It would be even more ridiculous to have it be a DLC feature. As part of the base game it is available regardless of whether you own (or rent) the specific DLC it is tied to. For as long as you are subscribed you can place stuff into or take stuff out of it. When your sub expires you can still access the bag (since it is a base game feature), but can no longer deposit. Pretty simple really. It's a rent only item to generate a steady stream of income and not be reliant on fluctuations.4 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
I think you're playing fast and loose with semantics here. Yes, due to the fact that crafting bags are not tied to a specific DLC they are technically part of the "base game." However, ZOS never once mentioned crafting bags as anything but an ESO+ perk.
If they put "Crafting Bag" in its own section in the patch notes (maybe "Subscriber Perks" or something) would that really change what they are doing from disingenuous to above board?
@wayfarerx
It's not semantics and listing the feature elsewhere would be wrong because it's a base game feature "locked behind a required sub"
The only way to make it right would be if they had something like a crafting assistant NPC that held your stuff.
If it's an item or some optional NPC or place then that is frustrating but it's no longer a base game feature which means the items in there stay and are only assessed and managed with either the purchase of a sub.
This here is literally blocking off an inventory option.
Just look at the PC and Xbox One patch notes. They literally decided to add a sub requirement to the base game patch feature.
It's like adding a sub to poisonsEdited by NewBlacksmurf on June 14, 2016 6:47PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
I think you have mistaken your word here.This is the meaning of disingenuous:
"not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."
Also this:
"insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical"
How is ZOS being any of these in regards to the crafting bag?
It wasnt advertised as part of the game when anyone started playing.
It has only just within this month been "added".It was never part of your deal with ZOS when purchasing the game.
So,they are NOT disingenuous at all.
@Volkodav
It's the correct use of the word actually.
The crafting bag is listed as a base game patch update feature.
ZOS prior has confirmed that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription but this one feature now does.
Their prior statement is now disingenuous
Hmm,..hmm,..Give me a moment.
I can see your point on the one side about the base patch,but would it have mattered if they made a whole new tiny DLC just for the bags? Wouldnt you be as upset as you are now?
I just dont consider adding the bags as being "disingenuous". That's something done with intent to deceive people.
The bags were announced quite some time ago that they were going to be for subs only,and they are.This is them being transparent in their intent.
Disingenuous indicates an intent to be false or deceitful,which they werent.1 -
wayfarerx✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
I think you're playing fast and loose with semantics here. Yes, due to the fact that crafting bags are not tied to a specific DLC they are technically part of the "base game." However, ZOS never once mentioned crafting bags as anything but an ESO+ perk.
If they put "Crafting Bag" in its own section in the patch notes (maybe "Subscriber Perks" or something) would that really change what they are doing from disingenuous to above board?
@wayfarerx
It's not semantics and listing the feature elsewhere would be wrong because it's a base game feature "locked behind a required sub"
The only way to make it right would be if they had something like a crafting assistant NPC that held your stuff.
If it's an item or some optional NPC or place then that is frustrating but it's no longer a base game feature which means the items in there stay and are only assessed and managed with either the purchase of a sub.
This here is literally blocking off an inventory option.
Just look at the PC and Xbox One patch notes. They literally decided to add a sub requirement to the base game patch feature.
It's like adding a sub to poisons
@NewBlacksmurf
It is semantics, you're overloading the term "base game feature." What is that supposed to even mean? Is anything you can get while subbed but still have access to after cancelling a "base game feature?" So maelstrom weapons, the TG and DB skill lines, etc. are all "base game features" because they don't disappear when you unsub?
ZOS never promised crafting bags without a sub. If they had and went back on it then I would say yes, that's disingenuous, but that is simply not the case. It is, and always has been, a subscriber perk. Arguments based on how it's categorized or implementation details are far more disingenuous IMO.@wayfarerx - PC / North America / Aldmeri Dominion5 -
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Avalon✭✭✭✭✭So, the fault is ZOS' for not listing a 3rd patch notes area: Stuff for Subs Only... Got it.2 -
Ourorboros✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???
A metricasston of players. I kept my sub, when I considered dropping it, for the craft bag. Lots of players I group with subbed just for the craft bag. If you had one, you wouldn't even question it's value.PC/NA/DCBreton Sorcerer Maester.White - BB meets GoT >Master Crafter< { 9 Traits completed 4/23/15 }
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NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
I think you have mistaken your word here.This is the meaning of disingenuous:
"not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."
Also this:
"insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical"
How is ZOS being any of these in regards to the crafting bag?
It wasnt advertised as part of the game when anyone started playing.
It has only just within this month been "added".It was never part of your deal with ZOS when purchasing the game.
So,they are NOT disingenuous at all.
@Volkodav
It's the correct use of the word actually.
The crafting bag is listed as a base game patch update feature.
ZOS prior has confirmed that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription but this one feature now does.
Their prior statement is now disingenuous
Hmm,..hmm,..Give me a moment.
I can see your point on the one side about the base patch,but would it have mattered if they made a whole new tiny DLC just for the bags? Wouldnt you be as upset as you are now?
I just dont consider adding the bags as being "disingenuous". That's something done with intent to deceive people.
The bags were announced quite some time ago that they were going to be for subs only,and they are.This is them being transparent in their intent.
Disingenuous indicates an intent to be false or deceitful,which they werent.
@Volkodav
If the crafting bag was DLC....I think the whole community would have negative feedback because no one asked for inventory options limited to an in-game location (DLC).
Let me write it differently because saying the bags is disingenuous isn't how the statement applies.
"ZOS's Matt F. Statement on Tamriel Unlimited as far as confirming that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription is disingenuous due to their decisions to lock the crafting bags base game feature behind subscriptions only"
That's how it should read
I was vocal for quite some time on the general forums as well as PC PTS even on the datamined thread waaay back.
This isn't my initial reaction-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Oreyn_Bearclaw✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???
LOTS OF PEOPLE!!! Also, why are we yelling? What would be the point of a membership incentive that costs $180 a year, if people could buy it for a few thousand crowns? You understand that if everyone simply bought just the DLC they felt like playing that this game would die. Subscriptions keep the lights on. I hope they offer more stuff in the future that is exclusive to memberships if I am being honest.0 -
NBrookus✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »You have purchased all of the content and do not sub. You love the idea of crafting bags.
Are you going to sub just for crafting bag, knowing that the mere act of subbing is pretty much only for that, because the expansions you paid for, are a waste of money because they come with said sub??
Yes, that's exactly what I did. And it's totally worth it.
I'm in support of offering more bank upgrades for in-game gold due to the escalating number of crafting materials, but frankly the bags are really the only decent perk subscribers get.
Did I mention they are totally worth it?1 -
binho✭✭✭I don't subscribe but I totally agree with crafting bags!
People that pay monthly should get something for their money! "Paying customers" make the game go foward, not people that constantly complain.2 -
Tandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »To be honest,
The crafting bags ...are a base game patch feature just like poisons, champion system, name plates, etc according to ZOS so these should be in game gold.
If the crown store wants to add opportunities that is fine.
If the ESO Plus wants to further extent the slots to some astronomical number, fine but there should be a basic 20 - `00 slot option or buy in game to access and then upgrade just like the bank because its an inventory feature and not any actual items.
Even ZOS writes it as a base game patch but then decides to lock that one feature behind a subscription even tho they write that all base game patch features would always not require a sub.
SMH
That is simple why it is a base game feature - if you have acquired that bag by subscription and unsubscribe, you will still have access to the bag, you can just not put anything into it any longer - it has limited functionality when unsubscribed.
@Lysette
Here is the problem ....it is a base game feature "locked behind" a subscription requirement. It goes against everything ZOS announced about Tamriel Unlimited for base game updates.
The first word in your comment "if" followed by "subscriptions" between the word "lock"
That's the problem....it's either a base game feature or not.
According to ZOS in their ESO live and in the info on Tamriel Unlimited "base game patches" are included without the need to sub. This is not the case for this one feature amongst all others as described by ZOS.
yes, the feature is included, that this bag is not ceasing to be, if you unsub, so it has to be part of the base game - but the bag itself is not obtainable without a subscription.
@Lysette
Actually no, the feature is not included. That's the whole point.
It's literally excluded to non subscribers....but only that one not the others.
It's never accessible until you subscribe.
So by default ZOS has decided to go back on the once confirmed statement that all base game update patches will not require a sub.
By that token you should object to any bonus given to subscribers, all of which are base game bonuses as a DLC isn't necessary to enjoy them, although I suspect that in practice you only object to this one, presumably because you want it while not being willing or able for whatever reason to subscribe in order to get it.
To put it another way, if instead of announcing the introduction of crafting bags ZOS had announced a slight increase in the xp bonus rates for subscribers or an extra couple of hundred crowns per month to subscribers, would you have felt so aggrieved that these were base game updates only available to subscribers and therefore in breach of previous statements by ZOS? I don't believe in all honesty that we would have seen a fraction of the posts from you that we've seen on this topic and yet the principle would have been exactly the same.Edited by Tandor on June 14, 2016 7:04PM7 -
NewBlacksmurf✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't subscribe but I totally agree with crafting bags!
People that pay monthly should get something for their money! "Paying customers" make the game go foward, not people that constantly complain.
@binho
In your way of using "paying customers" does that exclude customers who buy crowns at an average of 1500/month?-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭RandalMarrs wrote: »Smh...
I passed wind in here so it's time to leave the thread.
Is that what that was...
Thought it was just the smell of all the *** being spewed in here.
Either that or the rotting horse carcass.Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 14, 2016 7:05PM"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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RandalMarrs✭✭✭The original poster has resolution and now this is just the same thread with another name. I do not think it's productive anymore to repeat ourselves.0
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Callous2208✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭This argument is tired and needs to die. There is nothing worthwhile they could add as a sub perk that wouldn't stir anger and resentment in the non sub crowd. No one from that side was grumbling when all of the sub perks were complete trash. On the contrary, they were laughing as they bought stacks of crowns on sale and asking, "Why you sub losers? To support the devs?" Now there is something decent in the package and the tables have turned.2 -
Volkodav✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
I think you have mistaken your word here.This is the meaning of disingenuous:
"not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does."
Also this:
"insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical"
How is ZOS being any of these in regards to the crafting bag?
It wasnt advertised as part of the game when anyone started playing.
It has only just within this month been "added".It was never part of your deal with ZOS when purchasing the game.
So,they are NOT disingenuous at all.
@Volkodav
It's the correct use of the word actually.
The crafting bag is listed as a base game patch update feature.
ZOS prior has confirmed that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription but this one feature now does.
Their prior statement is now disingenuous
Hmm,..hmm,..Give me a moment.
I can see your point on the one side about the base patch,but would it have mattered if they made a whole new tiny DLC just for the bags? Wouldnt you be as upset as you are now?
I just dont consider adding the bags as being "disingenuous". That's something done with intent to deceive people.
The bags were announced quite some time ago that they were going to be for subs only,and they are.This is them being transparent in their intent.
Disingenuous indicates an intent to be false or deceitful,which they werent.
@Volkodav
If the crafting bag was DLC....I think the whole community would have negative feedback because no one asked for inventory options limited to an in-game location (DLC).
Let me write it differently because saying the bags is disingenuous isn't how the statement applies.
"ZOS's Matt F. Statement on Tamriel Unlimited as far as confirming that all current and future base game patch updates would not require a subscription is disingenuous due to their decisions to lock the crafting bags base game feature behind subscriptions only"
That's how it should read
I was vocal for quite some time on the general forums as well as PC PTS even on the datamined thread waaay back.
This isn't my initial reaction
Im sorry,but it still isnt "disingenuous".
(sorry,but I am a word nat-zee)
The whole patch doesnt require a subscription.Everything in it(other than the bag)is free to all players.
However,..as announced,..only,..ONLY,..the bag is for subscribers.It was never hidden,nor was it pretended otherwise.
Try using a different word and description that fits the situation,really. You're need to use this word doesnt make it the right word or intent.
Only,I dont see what word would even work,as there was absolutely no intent to hide anything,change anything,or put one over on anyone.
You cannot get someone to believe that ZOS did any of these things,in regards to the bag.It simply wont wash.
I dont mean this to sound rude or anything.If you wish to rant about it,I can understand that.However,rework your original post to reflect that.
That way,it wont seem that you just want it to be what you want it to be.2 -
Rohaus✭✭✭✭✭Whether it is fair or not... I don't care... what I do care about is that I don't have to worry about what crafting materials I should just discard of and what ones I should keep... and cycling them through alts... at one point, I had a mule for each crafting type... talk about ridiculous mind numbing management!!!
Seriously, the infinite crafting materials bag is something I wish the game had from day one!!! It is amazing!!! And I feel nothing but pity for those of you who are not able to enjoy the effortless FREEDOM that comes along with this amazing addition!!!
This is by far the EASIEST money maker for ZOS! and honestly, it was about time they give true incentive to have a sub!
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✭✭✭DarkWombat wrote: »Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.
But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.
I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.
Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.
I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.
Just sub. Please. :-)2 -
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I don't subscribe but I totally agree with crafting bags!
People that pay monthly should get something for their money! "Paying customers" make the game go foward, not people that constantly complain.
@binho
In your way of using "paying customers" does that exclude customers who buy crowns at an average of 1500/month?
Yes,it does.Those people who buy crowns every month,..MAYBE,..arent guaranteed income.If they sign a contract to do that then and only then should they be considered genuine paying customers.
I am fairly sure 99% of players do NOT buy that many crowns every month.I think they may buy that many whenever it suites them,but not as a continual thing.3