Defilted wrote: »

I never saw a comment from ZOS that said Crafting bags specifically are a game base feature.

There's a new one today here: https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/271706/xbox-one-patch-notes-v1-4-0-0

"The base game patch also features an abundance of new features including Poison-Making as an extension of the Alchemy system, improvements to item set Traits, more enhancements to the Activity Finder, nameplates, item locking, an extended crafting inventory (Craft Bag) for ESO Plus members, and more. And, of course, the highly anticipated removal of Veteran Ranks. We have published a deep-dive of Veteran Rank removal on our website. "

But keep scrolling down and read how it's described in the base game patch section

Well poo the link to the site that newblacksmurf has linked in his other post is blocked at work, so home work for later I guess.

Defilted wrote: »

Well poo the link to the site that newblacksmurf has linked in his other post is blocked at work, so home work for later I guess.

@Defilted

Not to do a page of text but I'll paste the shorter version below

Notice how they attach ESO plus to only one of all those base game updates....
http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/news/post/2016/04/20/dark-brotherhood-first-look

BASE GAME PATCH FEATURES & CONTENT

The removal of Veteran Ranks
Poison-Making, for those who want to be especially nasty to their enemies
Toggle-able nameplates for all characters
Character name display for Xbox One and PlayStation®4
Item locking to help prevent accidental deconstruction of your most valuable items
Further improvements and new features to the Grouping Tool including a group ready check, vote-to-kick system, and updated queue timer
Tons of updates to the Crown Store including additional character slots, motif previews, and hats
Craft Bags for ESO Plus members
Improvements and adjustments to Item Traits
Ongoing Cyrodiil performance improvements
Sanctum Ophidia Trial scaling, rebalancing and the addition of a Normal and Veteran mode
Balance improvements to combat and gameplay abilities including the Fighters Guild skill line, Vampires and stamina abilities
…and more!

See...

Volkodav wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

That's not an ehancement benefit because without the sub there is nothing to enhance.

That's odd, I thought the whole point was that the crafting bag enhanced a player's inventory management - a feature that is common to all players, whether subbed or not. The fact that with the enhancement you get a new tab and without it you don't is at best pedantic and at worst nonsensical.

I can accept that there is a difference of degree between a base game update that increases a subscriber's xp and one that increases his inventory management as done by the crafting bag, but there's no difference in principle, both are base game changes dependent on subscribing, and the difference in degree was required because the incentive to subscribe was previously pretty well non-existent as shown by all the "you subscribers are losers" posts.

@Tandor

I agree that the community feedback was requesting QoL updates or as you write "inventory enhancements" but as written the crafting bag is a new base game feature locked behind a required subscription in order to access it at all. Then if the sub expires, the access is limited furthermore

Your words and not mine....we didn't get an enhancement but instead we got a new base game feature update.

We aren't discussion exp so no idea why that's brought up.
We are discussing DB base game feature updates where one is specifically limited to a required subscription that Matt F previously confirmed would not be the case for "any base game updates".

You'll continue with the "locked behind a sub" bit forever,but people still wont agree with you.
It is "locked" due to it and ONLY it not being available for all players.
The update patch "itself" isnt locked and all players get the things within it.EXCEPT for the bag.
Nevermind.
You are just doing this on purpose.It isnt that you are disgruntled about the bags,you are simply nit picking about how it went into the game.

@Volkodav

My apologies if there is a failure on my part to better communicate.

I'm not attempting to get anyone to agree with me. It's literally written that way by ZOS. It's not up for discussion.

The only thing that can be up for discussion is that Matt F's original statement has changed for base game patch updates and soon Tamriel Unlimited will be no more as it will become One Tamriel so perhaps ZOS' doesn't care to honor his statements just like the others such as they wont remove the sub requirement or this that base game patch updates won't require a sub.

It reads clear and is well documented in many places

I disagree on your comment about doing "this on purpose" as I have simply stated the already written but now I'm responding to those who quote, tag and ask me questions.

What's sad is that people like Matt F constantly go back on their word and the company does nothing to better communicate as a heads up or FYI to acknowledge yes we said that but....is why we are changing.

Tandor wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

For the love of anything holy, just subscribe, I pretty much did it solely for the crafting bag myself, but trust when I say I've spent (as many others have) well over what a single person spends a year subbing (if nothing else is bought).

But I still think it's ridiculous for a lot of subscribers to be acting the way they are in this thread. Even if ZOS were to offer a limited bag for non-subs, subscribers would QQ because they have no "incentive," to subscribe, because an increase in xp, gold, reduction in time to learn traits, and a stipen of 1500 crowns a month isn't enough, YET they hide behind the banner of subscribing because it helps the development of game, as tho their dollar is somehow better than a non-subscriber.

I say give them a finite amount of bank space they can purchase (more money for development). Or a bag they can purchase with infinite storage but only for a single profession, and if they want a different bag they have to purchase another bag.

There's money to be made all around.

I can sympathize with the non-subscribers, especially the ones who've spent money like me.

But the easiest way is to just subscribe, it's worth it.

@Khajiit_Ri

Why would I subscribe when on Xbox one (which is where I play mainly other than PTS) ESO Plus doesn't even work.

Literally when we pay since launch up until 5 days ago as I tested it myself

-we get no crowns
-anytime the server is up but XBL has issues, we loose all access to any DLC
-The ESO Plus benefit don't apply until 5-7 days into the sub but cut off on expiration to the exact hour

Now we're getting there. It's clear there's a lot more behind the resentment than just a pedantic interpretation of "base game features" in the light of statements previously made by ZOS. I suggest we all move on, nothing new is being added to the crafting bag discussion and the place for complaining about a separate agenda relating to Xbox One issues is on the appropriate technical forum.

@Tandor

Yes.
-Matt F said it would be required...so (paraphrased)
-The alternative is broken

I'm not crazy man....consider I subbed on PC from launch for 9 months and tried on Xbox one off and on since launch until May 2016.

So now having purchased 40k in crowns...cause ZOS isn't going to be able to fix ESO plus on Xbox one due to their lack of understanding that DLC has to be a sku and not some in-game thing and ESO plus has to be an in-game thing and not a sku.....(rant over)

Yes, I'm going to point out inconsistencies that even @ZOS_JessicaFolsom won't acknowledge because technically Matt F's statement and the marketing behind ESOTU comes off as disingenuous or what I've also said was just another lie.

No response on the matter either for Xbox one after they lied 6 months ago announcing that ESO plus was fixed for Xbox one and then at PAX East recently confirming in fact it was not but they just gave out a ton of crowns to smooth things over for a while.

Even the Xbox one manager who I ended talking with on a July escalation ticket confirmed that this is 100% on ZOS as they control the crowns and access to DLC and how their ESO plu works.

In the end their manager and the ZOS service rep ended up interacting on three way with me via email chains and ultimately suggested that I just buy crowns.


Now this....yep it stems from a lot of misleading ZOS statements

DarkWombat wrote: »

A lot of you are obviously subscribers.

Why don't you try on some different shoes on for a moment...

You have purchased all of the content and do not sub. You love the idea of crafting bags.
Are you going to sub just for crafting bag, knowing that the mere act of subbing is pretty much only for that, because the expansions you paid for, are a waste of money because they come with said sub??

I may not sub specifically for the crafting bags, but when weighing up my options (purchase DLC or sub), the crafting bags tipped me in favour of subbing.

I'd say it's working exactly as ZOS would like. No crafting bag perk, no subscription fee from me.

DarkWombat wrote: »

Who subs JUST FOR CRAFTING BAGS???

I do! The freaking crafting bag is so worth the measly sub price... for me at least, it was a no brainer..

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

According to Alexa disingenuous means not straightforward or candid, giving a false appearance of frankness.

Nothing in your post supports the claim you make about subscriber craft bags being any of those things.

So you bas8cally accuse them of dishonesty (synonym alert) and then just spawn that forward into a discussion about the bags more generally?

If i had done that to you, i would likley be cautioned by the mods.

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

The only problem is that crafting bags is virtually the only incentive for people to subscribe to ESO now. If ZOS took crafting bags out what would give people the motivation to become potential new subscribers? Certainly not the increased EXP gain (veteran ranks removed, no increase in cp cap) or crafting research (game is over 2 years old now.)

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

I dont think you know what disingenuous means.

"You keep using that word. I do no think it means what you think it means..."

rotaugen454 wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

DarkWombat wrote: »

Please hear me out. I understand that half of you will disagree with me on the spot, because you are subscribers.

But a lot of us have chosen to not subscribe, and have purchased the expansions. I would say for sure the community is split between people who subscribe and the ones that "purchase" the content.

I feel for that the crafting bags need to be a Crown Store purchase, just like the expansions.

Why? it's simple. What kind of message are you sending to those that purchased all the content? You are telling them they have to subscribe to get this. And if they subscribe, there would have been no point in purchasing anything previous because you get that with the subscription.

I really hope soon that crafting bags are added to the crown store.

I dont think you know what disingenuous means.

"You keep using that word. I do no think it means what you think it means..."

dis·in·gen·u·ous
ˌdisənˈjenyo͞oəs/
adjective
not candid or sincere, typically by pretending that one knows less about something than one really does.
synonyms: insincere, dishonest, untruthful, false, deceitful, duplicitous, lying, mendacious; hypocritical
"that innocent, teary-eyed look is just part of a disingenuous act"