Greedy Guilds

failkiwib16_ESO · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

But even then, one could not afford (at least, not me), compete with the prices as they are currently.

You can still sell raw materials and flowers to veterans, and in case your crafting is levelled up, then you can sell refined materials + tempers and potions to veterans. Also farm motifs and recipes.

That is how many players are getting their millions, because not everyone bothers with dealing with group play, to earn an income.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Like most of my fellow Dunmer; if given the option to choose between egalitarianism and wealth, I choose wealth.

That was simple.

Next?

Prime example to my point afore.

Oh, and Not thank you, I dislike these people.
Merely saying.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

@failkiwib16_ESO friend, you misunderstand this is a quick little guide to make 20k in 20-30 minutes, even if Khajiit were solely to get green items it would only take 80 items to get the 20k in a relatively short time, 80 lockboxes = 8000 coin just for opening, but that's not including items stolen off of unsuspecting NPC, or the possiblity of blue items, or a lockbox containing more than one item, with thieving alone I would say it is easy to make at least 60k in 2hrs or more, with the maximum of fencing at 140. But we aren't using this as a solitary method of income, ontop of selling unwanted gear to regular merchants at 50 gold an time (or more) making money is a breeze.

We sort of derailed the thread, @failkiwib16_ESO you live a rather expensive lifestyle yes?

CasNation · June 2016

I think another problem is the differring perception of what being "wealthy" means. I have about 2.3 million gold, but I don't consider myself to be particularly wealthy, especially considering that is over 2 years worth of accumulation. If I wanted to craft a full new set of heavy armor for a tank or something, that would cost me around 500k. There goes over a fifth of my total "life" savings.

But even 1 million to some people is an enormous sum of money. Then you have people like @failkiwib16_ESO who spend 200k on potions alone per week. I would like to say that number is greatly exaggerated, but unfortunately it isn't. Now if you are trying to maintain a new gear set for 4 different characters plus the cost of consumables? You are looking at several million gold that needs to be spent EACH update to remain effective. You are practically required to be in a top tier trade guild in order to maintain that kind of playstyle.

The only way to avoid that kind of investment is to find a relatively balanced set of gear that can weather multiple updates, commit to using economy potions when possible, and overall decide you won't be the best.

failkiwib16_ESO · June 2016

Ah the summer heat is worse than skooma mixed with poisons for this one!

Yes, Khajiit indeed lives an expensive lifestyle today, though it has not always been the case. Khajiit runs a little guild, full of cubs and eggborns, 2 Dunmer slavers and many confused Highelves. The cubs and some of the eggborns need support, in terms of crafting materials, character respecs and tempers ..all stuff that breaks this Khajiits coinpurse.

...then there is the romantic interest that has costed this Khajiit many many shiny coins =^,,^=

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

@CasNation, that does make sense, Khajiit forgets people who do not have time play or terrible time management that the coin grind and mat grind can be real.

Fortunately this one is a master crafter, as well as other members in guild and we don't really have issues turning people's gear into legendary armor, it might take a little longer 2-3 days at the longest but we really work together to try and make guild mates happy without nickel and diming them to death. But this one now understands that not all people are lazy, and it comes down to if they have the time. Again this one is extremely thankful to be in guild where guild master believes that working together benefits everyone the most.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

many confused Highelves

Thos are the only type n existence, this one never seen a not-confused Highelf.

But this one has bad luck, in that regard.
Very bad indeed.
RNG is not this one's friend, at all.
Guards be more my friend, and they chase me away.
Even try to kill this cuddly one!!!

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

also to add when we do PVP we tend to run in groups of 7-8 people, we don't necessarily have BiS weapon wise but a lot of us run the cookie cutter builds required to compete in PVP, none of us seem to really be interested in being the "best," at anything but having fun and getting AP, we are on console, and truthfully we tend to hold our own against most groups and single "God-like" players who are used to wiping nubs off the hills of Cyrodiil.

So with everyone running together, helping each other, we don't seem to run into the gripes and complaints that I tend to see about guilds here on the forums.

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Like most of my fellow Dunmer; if given the option to choose between egalitarianism and wealth, I choose wealth.

That was simple.

Next?

Prime example to my point afore.

Oh, and Not thank you, I dislike these people.
Merely saying.

Still, its Supply & Demand.

I choose to get every single crafting node I come across, even for crafting skills that I cannot use. In just seven (7) days, quite a few people are going to have quite a few Alt's who will suddenly be at Max level by their CP count. Those players are going to need Gold Tempers for all possible crafting styles, and they're going to need a large supply. I plan on helping ease the burden on them by taking their Gold so that they can carry the extra weight of all those Gold Tempers.

This in turn gives me quite a few Tempering Alloy/Resins/Waxes/etc., that I will not use. I only have a couple of characters that I'm going to outfit with CP160 gear when DB hits the Consoles. Everything outside of those parameters I put up for sale. I already have all of the gear for my Alt's who I care about made, improved to Gold, enchanted, and sitting in my Bank just waiting for the 14th. Everything else I can sell for quite a lot of Gold.

Like someone else said in another thread; a single Dreugh Wax/Resin/etc. goes for between 9-14k depending on where you're selling. I get rich off of just playing the game, refining Mats, selling the Tempers I will never use. Last night even I unloaded a total of 20 Resins for close to 200k when all the placements were done and sold.

While I appreciate the egalitarianism of the OP's post, I like the comforts that being rich affords me and my characters in an MMO. Of having enough money in the bank that I could buy what I cannot farm, should I need to. To that end, I sell and do not "share freely".

So, I choose wealth.

Hate me or dislike me and players like me all you want, I'll just be hated and sitting on a fat stack of Gold in my Bank.

I'm OK with this arrangement.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

I do as well, i was lvl7 on my first char, and master gatherer.
Go figure.
But being a non-crafter I donate everything to my Guilds.

Or, when I come across people asking for a mat, i donate lots to them.

A bit back, I posted a note, if anyone on PC EU was in need of Nirnroot, just PM me with ingame info as to whom to send it to.
First mailed, first got.

That was faster gone than I could reply to another thread, lol.

But, it does keep me poor... and stuck on my main... ah well.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

@Uriel_Nocturne yes you should play how you want to play, there is no doubting that. If money makes you all warm and fuzzy inside then that's good.

But this one still agrees with his guild master, no gold needed to win.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

But this one still agrees with his guild master, no gold needed to win.

Amen.

Yolokin_Swagonborn · June 2016

There are some people that are tired of this game and play it like an economy sim. They think this is EvE. But if you see mountain flower going for 50-200k a pop on a guild store, someone is gold selling.

Trade guilds have come to these very forums, boasted how they get exclusive meetings with ZOS and how they sell gold on the side. I have screencapped the posts before they get closed. Some trade guilds are excellent and filled with people who actually enjoy the game for the game's sake. Others are really sketchy.

Solid_Metal · June 2016

why am i reading this with khajiit accent

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

why am i reading this with khajiit accent

Must be you?
This Khajiit sees not what you mean?

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

whoa @Yolokin_Swagonborn that is horrible.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

@Khajiit_Ri Thou hast PM, oh furry one.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

This one sent message but to wrong person.

PhxOldGamer68 · June 2016

I used to hate traveling to every guild trader to find the best price. But now it's like winning an auction on eBay.

I have less than 100K gold coins combined with 4 alts, but Level 50 in all crafting skills and max points. I sell vet level potions and food at a guild store at a cheap price to help the guildies in PVP.

Big trader guilds charge a lot of gold every week to be a member so I don't partake.

I heard the guild traders in Mournhold pay a million gold a week to win a bid.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

PhxOldGamer68 wrote: »

I used to hate traveling to every guild trader to find the best price. But now it's like winning an auction on eBay.

I have less than 100K gold coins combined with 4 alts, but Level 50 in all crafting skills and max points. I sell vet level potions and food at a guild store at a cheap price to help the guildies in PVP.

Big trader guilds charge a lot of gold every week to be a member so I don't partake.

I heard the guild traders in Mournhold pay a million gold a week to win a bid.

They should kill off Guild Traders, and go for an open auction House instead.

Makkir · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

They should kill off Guild Traders, and go for an open auction House instead.

Lol. No, that is the worst suggestion ever that has been beated to death on these forums for 2 years now. Absolutely not, not in this game's current state anyway. I encourage you to read any of the following threads for some reason why:

eso auction house site:forums.elderscrollsonline.com

You can add my name to the search as well as I have outlined many detailed posts why an auction house would be detrimental to this game.

dtm_samuraib16_ESO · June 2016

That link lead to ESO site with the options.
Have a better one?
Which post do you prefer, for yourself?

If your post makes sense, I will revise my opinion.
Logically!

But for now, I stand by the fact, the current system is bad, a unified AH would be better.

Makkir · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

That link lead to ESO site with the options.
Have a better one?
Which post do you prefer, for yourself?

If your post makes sense, I will revise my opinion.
Logically!

But for now, I stand by the fact, the current system is bad, a unified AH would be better.

I don't think anyone out there has argued that the current guild trader UI is awesome. But that doesn't mean an auction house is the solution. The current UI could use a bit of beefing up, and I don't understand why there isn't a search bar so I can look for "Breeches of the Arch Mage" instead of sifting through pages of light armor.

SantieClaws · June 2016

The hairless ones they fear us. They think their money will keep them safe. Safe from our claws, safe from war - maybe even safe from our sickness.

We are stronger, smarter and faster. A bag of your gold might as well be just a bag of grey pebbles.

We will take your gold, your safety, your lands and your balls of yarn. We will sneak into your homes at night and drink all your ale and then fall asleep in your oh so sweet smelling flower gardens - squishing the petals as we dream of your defeat.

All your fish they belong to Khajiit. They will taste of victory.

Well after a short nap they will.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2016

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

That link lead to ESO site with the options.
Have a better one?
Which post do you prefer, for yourself?

If your post makes sense, I will revise my opinion.
Logically!

But for now, I stand by the fact, the current system is bad, a unified AH would be better.

LMAO

An Auction House!?

You think an Auction House will fix your baseless claim of a "fixed" or "over-priced" market? If you honestly believe that prices are vastly overinflated with the current Guild Trader system, what do you think an Auction House will fix? If anything, an Auction House will drive prices higher by magnitudes as people then get into bidding wars over the same amounts of products.

As has been said in multiple other threads, an Auction house would be a horrid addition to ESO, just like it is in most every other MMO.

The UI for the Guild Traders need work, I'll give you that. But an Auction House would be much, much worse.

Khajiit_Ri · June 2016

@Uriel_Nocturne this one has no problems with money hungry guilds because this one does not use them, which doesn't hinder him from getting legendary gear, because guild mates he plays with helps each other, people would be surprised how easy it is to get legendary mats with a minimum of 4 max of 20 people working together towards the same goal.

And yes, this one definitely believes the prices are inflated, but that has more to do with the population's psychology, and an inability to understand economics in a world where the resources virtually have no end.

Uriel_Nocturne · June 2016

Khajiit_Ri wrote: »

@Uriel_Nocturne this one has no problems with money hungry guilds because this one does not use them, which doesn't hinder him from getting legendary gear, because guild mates he plays with helps each other, people would be surprised how easy it is to get legendary mats with a minimum of 4 max of 20 people working together towards the same goal.

And yes, this one definitely believes the prices are inflated, but they has more to do with the population's psychology, and an inability to understand economics in a world where the resources virtually have no end.

Response to the first part: I understand that, and that falls under the heading of "personal preference". You prefer to work with your guildies, I prefer using the system "as is" to amass my characters' wealth.

Neither is "wrong" or "right", it just is.

Response to the second paragraph: I agree. But many people don't want to take the time to farm the endless Mats themselves, and want the much more convenient method of buying a stack of 200 *insert material here*. That convenience and demand spike the prices, because sellers like myself know that if people want the item (any item) bad enough, they will pay the price set for it.

Again, that is neither "right" nor "wrong", that's just very simple economics.

Economics that has me sitting on nearly 1mil Gold in the bank.

xilfxlegion · June 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

Like most of my fellow Dunmer; if given the option to choose between egalitarianism and wealth, I choose wealth.

That was simple.

Next?

Prime example to my point afore.

Oh, and Not thank you, I dislike these people.
Merely saying.

Still, its Supply & Demand.

I choose to get every single crafting node I come across, even for crafting skills that I cannot use. In just seven (7) days, quite a few people are going to have quite a few Alt's who will suddenly be at Max level by their CP count. Those players are going to need Gold Tempers for all possible crafting styles, and they're going to need a large supply. I plan on helping ease the burden on them by taking their Gold so that they can carry the extra weight of all those Gold Tempers.

This in turn gives me quite a few Tempering Alloy/Resins/Waxes/etc., that I will not use. I only have a couple of characters that I'm going to outfit with CP160 gear when DB hits the Consoles. Everything outside of those parameters I put up for sale. I already have all of the gear for my Alt's who I care about made, improved to Gold, enchanted, and sitting in my Bank just waiting for the 14th. Everything else I can sell for quite a lot of Gold.

Like someone else said in another thread; a single Dreugh Wax/Resin/etc. goes for between 9-14k depending on where you're selling. I get rich off of just playing the game, refining Mats, selling the Tempers I will never use. Last night even I unloaded a total of 20 Resins for close to 200k when all the placements were done and sold.

While I appreciate the egalitarianism of the OP's post, I like the comforts that being rich affords me and my characters in an MMO. Of having enough money in the bank that I could buy what I cannot farm, should I need to. To that end, I sell and do not "share freely".

So, I choose wealth.

Hate me or dislike me and players like me all you want, I'll just be hated and sitting on a fat stack of Gold in my Bank.

I'm OK with this arrangement.

agreed. one of my alts will become cp160 the day the dlc drops --- so i went and bought all of the mats i will need to fully outfit it when it happens. i have also been hoarding mats because i know the price will go up on them soon.