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psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...
Boohoo, do you go into any other game and achieve max level on every character once you've done it with one? No you don't.
Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.
Yes it is, once you reach level 50. So instead of arguing about it on the forums why not grind a character of the race you wish to change to? It doesn't take long it's just pure laziness. Some people have 8 VR16s and levelled everyone to that, now be thankful you only have to level them to 50.
Really don't see the problem, and if you use psijics or scrolls it's even faster.0 -
Clerics1985✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »Clerics1985 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
Not sure aboot the price, but otherwise very interesting idea.
I already mentioned another alternative, Racial polymorphs, they will give you what you desire. at the Price of hiding any other cosmetics on said character. there's always give and take you don't even get your cake in ESO half the time, LET ALONE eat it too.
Only issue I have with that is how would you customize the appearance change? For example, an altmer morphs to a khajiit. The sliders are different, so how does one control appearence? And also, does this mean no wearing costumes?
Correct, no wearing Costumes, you are LITERALLY just asking them to Mask your Racial passives by allowing you to "change skins"
This has nothing to do with RP and more to do with Min/Maxing TBH. you can say "oh my RP character shouldn't be gimped by his Race" literally every race can do everything in this game. Race has nothing to do with Accomplishing things in ESO it has to do with PVP Min/Maxing.
just as a Side note. I feel like it's a good idea to allow more Customization but I digress, this is where it stands IMO1 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
@KoshkaMurka Make a new character and press =.psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.
Yes it is, once you reach level 50. So instead of arguing about it on the forums why not grind a character of the race you wish to change to? It doesn't take long it's just pure laziness. Some people have 8 VR16s and levelled everyone to that, now be thankful you only have to level them to 50.
Really don't see the problem, and if you use psijics or scrolls it's even faster.
You can spend your CP as level 1.
thus, this IS account based.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...
Boohoo, do you go into any other game and achieve max level on every character once you've done it with one? No you don't.
Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.
Yes it is, once you reach level 50. So instead of arguing about it on the forums why not grind a character of the race you wish to change to? It doesn't take long it's just pure laziness. Some people have 8 VR16s and levelled everyone to that, now be thankful you only have to level them to 50.
Really don't see the problem, and if you use psijics or scrolls it's even faster.
I have 8 vr characters already and had them prior to vr rank removal. And I'm above cp cap so it wont affect me either.
But from my perspective, giving people more options and choices is always good. Those choices would only affect them anyway, and not the majority of players.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
OK, I get it, you think that post I spoke of would...dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
Exquise me?KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
So random is a fair deal but just swapping race is not?
Using you own arguments, it would cause much more mess.
Especially with rng... Rng cash shop items are the cancer of mmo games...
I lost the point there...?
How is random what and where, but changing race is not?
No, but it's base is what I spoke of: SELL Race and whatnot chance.
Nothing else in that post was in my idea of being used, just the selling part.
My bad, i should have be more specific.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
psychotic13✭✭✭✭✭
✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
@KoshkaMurka Make a new character and press =.psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.
Yes it is, once you reach level 50. So instead of arguing about it on the forums why not grind a character of the race you wish to change to? It doesn't take long it's just pure laziness. Some people have 8 VR16s and levelled everyone to that, now be thankful you only have to level them to 50.
Really don't see the problem, and if you use psijics or scrolls it's even faster.
You can spend your CP as level 1.
thus, this IS account based.
But you don't earn it to level 50 do you?
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Ah no, true.
Point there.
But, NO ONE had.
Not until one became V1.
So, not quite a valid point, is it.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭✭✭✭On one extreme, we have the RPers, who want to tell stories with their toons. At the other, the min-maxxers who just want the best passives for their playstyle. What's wrong with RPing a Breton who survives and thrives despite not having a predisposition to stamina abilities? Isn't that a more interesting story than *poof* I'm Redguard on the inside and Breton on the outside?
Don't get me wrong -- if they offered it my magicka orc would have Altmer passives as fast as you can say "crown store." And I'm game for changing race or class or alliance or appearance. But I think that this is bridge too far, and the race choice should have pros and cons with it. If racial passives mean anything they have to be coupled to race, not just a mix and match free for all.3 -
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✭DocFrost72 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »I think all of this is stupid, but that's just me.
You picked a race. Play it. Want another? Make it.
Mix and match passives to visuals? Huh?
Unless I'm missing something?
You are missing a key component. Of course, it may seem minor to you, but it is NOT to me or others. I wanted to make a Breton because they have an incredible lore background, a diverse history, and several cool quirks I identify well with.
I also like the way a stamina templar plays. Their shining spears of justice and indomitable force of will is not only a lore draw, but I LOVE the way my stamplar wrecks face. He mows down enemies like it is nothing, and the abilities are intuitive for me.
Here comes the dilema. Breton are a poor race choice for this setup.
While it is true I could have one toon for RP and one for PvE, I don't think that is a fair tradeoff. Why shouldn't I proudly display a storm proof title? Why shouldn't I be able to wear all the amazing gear I found, such as alkosh or kena? Why should I be pigeon holed into RP or PvE when neither conflicts with each other in any way but a pointless game mechanic designed without much consideration for lore (anyone remember Argonians being tanky, or was I alone in remembering their guerilla tactics?).
Now feel free to disagree *which I do heavily* or claim that racial aren't that much of a difference, because you are right they are only a small part of any build.
But I will remain upset my desire to RP in an MMORPG could potentially gimp me on ANY amount of power.
Where to start?
I highlighted all the parts where the post came across as "I want this because I don't feel my decision should have any weight to the gameplay aspects of ESO and should be editable according to my feelings." Plus a couple Kanye West-esq moments, "I know you have an opinion but let me tell you why mine is right." lines.
I also highlighted a few parts that illustrated the fact that you're aware that this is a situation where you could remedy your grievances by playing an Alt but are electing not to due to the fact that you feel it's unfair and you should be catered to. Or that you *could* continue playing as you are now and be perfectly fine, but the OCD in you knows there's a potentially better combination for your desired end-result. However, you *only* want to attain that combination while keeping your appearance because...well, that's how society is now.
Combine those two sets of examples and you arrive at the point of "this is how I want the game to be because this is how I feel".
Do not take this as me picking on you or your post on a personal level, I'm only using this to exhibit the flawed logic of "we should be able to make a toon of our preferred appearance, "flaws" and all, and change the "flaws" to something cherry-picked so I can shed my undesirable traits and have the power I feel I am entitled to as a gamer / min-maxer / RPer."
I understand "why you'd want this". There's no consequence to the decision on which Race to play. Instead, you can have the Race you want with the Passives you want.
There has to be something that distinguishes the Races from one another. If this proposed method of changing Races were to go into effect it would undermine a large portion of the game (IMO, anyway. It's obvious not everyone feels this way). Not to mention what population imbalances this could ripple through the PvP community. (Make a Dunmer because everyone loves Morrowind. Don't worry, you can buy the Altmer passives!, etc.)
Now if you were saying... "I made a Breton, but I now find myself wanting to play an Imperial. I don't want to level another toon and wish to pump cash into the game in order to not start over. (or) I don't have any more Toon slots because I'm at max but would like to change everything about a toon while supporting the game." ...and you were willing to forgo the Passives, then fine, by all means, buy a Race Change token (or whatever they end up calling it) on the Crown Store and change your race, passives and all.
I don't believe you should be able to mix-and-match Race-Specific Passives to any Race of your choice. That's just stupid and takes away all of the "impact" of being a specific race. It also makes no sense what-so-ever. Some fat-ass Orc with the swimming passives of an Argonian. lol
For the record, all of my Toons (save for 2, for RP) are Dunmer. There are better combinations out there for either Stam or Magicka, but I don't care because I *wanted* to play as a Dunmer. So that's 10 Dunmer, 1 Altmer and 1 Imperial. I'm happy with my choices.
I can see your point, though my post was not as bad as Kanye West, let's start there =P
And I think the fundamental difference is you are of the belief that racial passives should matter, where I do not agree.
This we can agree on.
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
=insightfull.On one extreme, we have the RPers, who want to tell stories with their toons. At the other, the min-maxxers who just want the best passives for their playstyle. What's wrong with RPing a Breton who survives and thrives despite not having a predisposition to stamina abilities? Isn't that a more interesting story than *poof* I'm Redguard on the inside and Breton on the outside?
Don't get me wrong -- if they offered it my magicka orc would have Altmer passives as fast as you can say "crown store." And I'm game for changing race or class or alliance or appearance. But I think that this is bridge too far, and the race choice should have pros and cons with it. If racial passives mean anything they have to be coupled to race, not just a mix and match free for all.
Indeed, I too believe that.
But they should fix the sodding Argonian.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
AugustoCP✭✭✭Guys, I think you're missing the point here. People don't want to get race changes to avoid working hard on their characters. People want race chage for PASSIVES only or for APPEARANCE only because they want to look be one race, for personal taste, but don't want to have their playstyle harmed by it. I enjoy being a breton, and nothing more, but I love archery.3 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
No we do get it, but it will lead to abuse.Guys, I think you're missing the point here. People don't want to get race changes to avoid working hard on their characters. People want race chage for PASSIVES only or for APPEARANCE only because they want to look be one race, for personal taste, but don't want to have their playstyle harmed by it. I enjoy being a breton, and nothing more, but I love archery.
Mark my words.
Aside, some work never killed anyone...
Well, aside from the guy that fell of his crane... :SEarthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
nine9six✭✭✭✭✭
✭We get it. We just think it's stupid.Wake up, we're here. Why are you shaking? Are you ok? Wake up...0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭The request for such a thing?
I concur.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »but it will lead to abuse.
Mark my words.
Can you please give a few examples that would be common in your opinion?
I honestly do not understand what do you mean by "Abuse" in that case.
Even if racial passives wouldnt exist, there would be more human and elf characters than argonians and orcs, simply because of their appearance. Just check discussions and screenshot galleries on TES-related sites.
Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Wreuntzylla✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...
Boohoo, do you go into any other game and achieve max level on every character once you've done it with one? No you don't.
Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.
Yes it is, once you reach level 50. So instead of arguing about it on the forums why not grind a character of the race you wish to change to? It doesn't take long it's just pure laziness. Some people have 8 VR16s and levelled everyone to that, now be thankful you only have to level them to 50.
Really don't see the problem, and if you use psijics or scrolls it's even faster.psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Clearly, you only have to level to 50 and you are done.
Well, I mean, if you don't like being competitive.
1. Legerdemain leveling through selling/laundering (improved hiding, locksmith);
2. Undaunted Guild dungeon grind (undaunted mettle and undaunted command passives);
3. Fighters Guild zombie grind (Dawnbreaker unlock);
4. Mage guild book leveling (meteor/might of the guild/Sheogorath's bargain);
5. Ability and morph leveling;
6. Skyshard Harvesting (skill points);
7. Main quest line completions (skilll points)
8. PvP alliance rank grind (skill points, rapid maneuver, vigor, warhorn, barrier, purge, caltrops);
9. Horse Feeding (speed/stamina/capacity leveling);
10. Alchemy leveling (medicinal use);
11. vampire/werewolf leveling grind (regen bonuses);
12. Dark Brotherhood leveling quests (shadow rider passive);
13. Thieves Guild leveling quests (haggling passive); and
14. [whatever other non-account based must-haves I missed by typing this strictly off the top of my head].
Not quite so clear cut because you can log in and out other toons to use (annoying but doable):
1. Craft and trait leveling;
2. Recipes;
3. Motifs;
4. CP grind; and
5. Achievements (dye unlocks); and
6. Main quest, fighters guild quest and mage guild quest unlocks (crafting stations).
But sure. If you want to be anti-social in a social game, or at least not interact with the bulk of the community in normal activities, getting to 50 is just fine.
Edit: And I am one of the people with 8+ VR16's that you mentioned, however I am able to step into the shoes of others and be reasonable. Also, if you had all your slots filled with V16's in the craglorn grind glory days, until this patch, you would have to start another account. I have multiple accounts in large part because of crafting and in some part because of the lack of race changes.
Absent the craglorn grinds, I'd be lucky to have 1-2 V16's... Which can be said of every player I know who has a job.Edited by Wreuntzylla on June 7, 2016 10:09PM5 -
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I completely agree. Besides, there is (as others have pointed out) no glaring in your face need swap, just a stylistic preference.We get it. We just think it's stupid.
I like breton lore. I like breton appearance. I like breton rp. Breton passives? Not so much.
I like breton armor. I like breton weapons. I like breton dyes. Appearence of most dropped armor in the game? Not so much. Luckily I can equip the lion guard outfit!
If the above does not explain my opinion, I am sorry that you think that the idea is stupid, but I can't illustrate it better.
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Digiman✭✭✭✭✭Racial's are for races, you don't need them to get through the game or be the best either. People who complain about them just want an easier time of getting 0.8% of DPS increase.
I think the idea of switching out racials is a stupid idea. Honestly if you picked it for something so vain I think it should require crowns to change to the race you want.1 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
Hell yes, which is why I pointed to the link above, but for this thing.Racial's are for races, you don't need them to get through the game or be the best either. People who complain about them just want an easier time of getting 0.8% of DPS increase.
I think the idea of switching out racials is a stupid idea. Honestly if you picked it for something so vain I think it should require crowns to change to the race you want.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
AugustoCP✭✭✭This is not vain, it's about people being what they want. That's what roleplay means. But having fun shouldn't be an obstacle to being the best. And racials provide a far greater bonus than 0.8%.
Please, quit being a naysaying dickhead, people are trying to have fun over here.1 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭
No, RP means, you make a character, flesh it out, and go with that.This is not vain, it's about people being what they want. That's what roleplay means. But having fun shouldn't be an obstacle to being the best. And racials provide a far greater bonus than 0.8%.
Please, quit being a naysaying dickhead, people are trying to have fun over here.
RP is NOT about altering one's character.
Have you EVER role played?
And I mean actual RP, pen and paper RP.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."1 -
Rev Rielle✭✭✭✭✭
✭No thanks. Zenimax change far too much far too regularly. Let's leave the one thing they haven't changed for a while, alone.
If you can be anything, be kind.2 -
AugustoCP✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »No, RP means, you make a character, flesh it out, and go with that.
RP is NOT about altering one's character.
Have you EVER role played?
And I mean actual RP, pen and paper RP.
You said it yourself, I make a character. I don't want to alter a character, I wish I had had this option when I first created it.
And answering your question, yes I have. My DM just wasn't a ***.1 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭You DO have this, @AugustoCP.
It's called time and wits on how to be at creation.
Prime necessity when role playing!!!Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."1 -
AugustoCP✭✭✭Please, do tell me how on character creation I am able to make a breton with bosmer passives.0
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭....
Wait, what does that have to do with the topic?
This will not EVER be allowed!!!
Not even payed.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
No, RP means, you make a character, flesh it out, and go with that.This is not vain, it's about people being what they want. That's what roleplay means. But having fun shouldn't be an obstacle to being the best. And racials provide a far greater bonus than 0.8%.
Please, quit being a naysaying dickhead, people are trying to have fun over here.
RP is NOT about altering one's character.
Have you EVER role played?
And I mean actual RP, pen and paper RP.
Apparently you are RPing with a group of sticks in the mud. As mentioned previously in this thread, I have a Male Nord Sorcerer who, through the beauty of role-playing, has realized he is a Female Altmer trapped in a Male Nord's body. The journey of "fleshing out" a character is a dynamic, never-ending story, often with many alterations to the initial character you started out with.Edited by WardenofArcherus on June 8, 2016 12:02AM1 -
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Good for you, and sadly, bad for you.WardenofArcherus wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
No, RP means, you make a character, flesh it out, and go with that.This is not vain, it's about people being what they want. That's what roleplay means. But having fun shouldn't be an obstacle to being the best. And racials provide a far greater bonus than 0.8%.
Please, quit being a naysaying dickhead, people are trying to have fun over here.
RP is NOT about altering one's character.
Have you EVER role played?
And I mean actual RP, pen and paper RP.
Apparently you are RPing with a group of sticks in the mud. As mentioned previously in this thread, I have a Male Nord Sorcerer who, through the beauty of role-playing, has realized he is a Female Altmer trapped in a Male Nord's body. The journey of "fleshing out" a character is a dynamic, never-ending story, often with many alterations to the initial character you started out with.
There was never a plastic surgeon in Tamriel, unfortunately.
But hey, for a good price, i could become your shrink?Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭As far as the role playing perspective goes, there will be role players on both ends of the argument.
When I made my Breton (who is trapped in an imperial's body, to keep the trend xD) I envisioned him very similar to me. Green as grass, but a desire to gain more knowledge ad infinium. Now?
Now he is a total badass; an Enforcer to a secretive organization who carries out special operations style contracts to the highest bidder to fund his shadowy organization. Static characters are boring.
And besides all this, I am not asking for an IC change, but and OOC one. I want to actually BE a breton, because of the time I had to whisper someone OOC and inform them I was not actually an Imperial and was shamed for it. "Be a breton, or don't. Don't expect me to acknowledge that" (paraphrasing).
And one last question, if others spending money on something that makes them happy but makes no flipping sense to others, why did we have a disco senche in the crown store?1