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dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
But it WILL, see, if an Argonain likes to become an Orc... but he has not the Starter thingy...WardenofArcherus wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?KoshkaMurka wrote: »and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.
Thank you, for pointing that out.
I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.
Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.
It seems like some players are thinking a race change will also provide players the ability to change their alliance.
Yep...
I'm pretty sure ZOS will incorporate the "Any Race, Any Alliance" concept to "remolded" characters. They have proved that race and alliances can be separated, and keeping them separate provides the money making opportunity of future alliance swapping as a separate (likely never to happen) feature in the crown store. Besides, players that actually spy on other factions are smart enough have an alt account for free.
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
But it WILL, see, if an Argonain likes to become an Orc... but he has not the Starter thingy...WardenofArcherus wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?KoshkaMurka wrote: »and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.
Thank you, for pointing that out.
I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.
Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.
It seems like some players are thinking a race change will also provide players the ability to change their alliance.
Yep...
I'm pretty sure ZOS will incorporate the "Any Race, Any Alliance" concept to "remolded" characters. They have proved that race and alliances can be separated, and keeping them separate provides the money making opportunity of future alliance swapping as a separate (likely never to happen) feature in the crown store. Besides, players that actually spy on other factions are smart enough have an alt account for free.1 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭Well, do read my previous posts: there's plenty of abuse when this will be introduced.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »Well, do read my previous posts: there's plenty of abuse when this will be introduced.
What kind of abuse? People pretending to be other players and such? Now that we can see @ names, its not really possible.
Besides, support does change these names if requested, there's a plenty of people who got name changes...Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭✭✭Race changed is the worst idea and thing ZOS can possibly do.
Next people will be asking for class changes its ridiculous. Just make a new character!
I understand appearance change very much but changing your whole race is just stupid and will create a huge unbalance in races and will cause ZOS to constantly update racial passives to balance them due to the majority of players only playing around 3 races1 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Race changed is the worst idea and thing ZOS can possibly do.
Next people will be asking for class changes its ridiculous. Just make a new character!
I understand appearance change very much but changing your whole race is just stupid and will create a huge unbalance in races and will cause ZOS to constantly update racial passives to balance them due to the majority of players only playing around 3 races1 -
mb10✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Race changed is the worst idea and thing ZOS can possibly do.
Next people will be asking for class changes its ridiculous. Just make a new character!
I understand appearance change very much but changing your whole race is just stupid and will create a huge unbalance in races and will cause ZOS to constantly update racial passives to balance them due to the majority of players only playing around 3 races1 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭will create a huge unbalance in races and will cause ZOS to constantly update racial passives to balance them due to the majority of players only playing around 3 races
Because now its really different... Oh wait.
Also, the majority of players are casual questers. Dont think they would change their chars for the sake of FoTM.Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 7, 2016 5:28PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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drumbendrum_ESO✭✭✭I don't feel that they should implement race change however I do feel that racial passive should have the ability to acquire through questing.
This would give us the chance to change out the passive and playstyle to how we want it for our toon!
Imagine having done a quest line around the map in a zone designed for that particular race to acquire that racial passive.
You would only be allowed to have one racial passive active at a time. Kind of like Warewolf - Vampire.
This to me seems like a better solution as just paying gold to have something seems to take away the nastalgia of gameplay that I do enjoy from MMO's. Also this opens up the maps to play in the zones again bringing you new scenery instead of just staying in one particular zone for the fix all cure alls that they currently are.2 -
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
Its all about choices.
Some people have limited playtime, not enough to level an alt, some just want appearance change, some got screwed by ZOS' nerfing everything... There can be a ton of personal reasons.
But reasons for not having this option? I've seen 2: "I dont want it so no one is allowed to ask for it" and "pug elitists". The latter can cause some issues at times probably, but in fact the majority of players are casuals who dont care about optimized builds that much.
Ok, here's a reason for not having this option, it's a *** stupid idea.
ZOS just stopped you having to do the VR1-VR16 grind if you already have a main, that's a huge amount of time saved but people are never happy enough. Levelling an alt to 50 doesn't take long.
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✭drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »I don't feel that they should implement race change however I do feel that racial passive should have the ability to acquire through questing.
This would give us the chance to change out the passive and playstyle to how we want it for our toon!
Imagine having done a quest line around the map in a zone designed for that particular race to acquire that racial passive.
You would only be allowed to have one racial passive active at a time. Kind of like Warewolf - Vampire.
This to me seems like a better solution as just paying gold to have something seems to take away the nastalgia of gameplay that I do enjoy from MMO's. Also this opens up the maps to play in the zones again bringing you new scenery instead of just staying in one particular zone for the fix all cure alls that they currently are.
But then no race has its identity, everything's the same. Boring.1 -
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✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.6 -
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✭✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »I think all of this is stupid, but that's just me.
You picked a race. Play it. Want another? Make it.
Mix and match passives to visuals? Huh?
Unless I'm missing something?
You are missing a key component. Of course, it may seem minor to you, but it is NOT to me or others. I wanted to make a Breton because they have an incredible lore background, a diverse history, and several cool quirks I identify well with.
I also like the way a stamina templar plays. Their shining spears of justice and indomitable force of will is not only a lore draw, but I LOVE the way my stamplar wrecks face. He mows down enemies like it is nothing, and the abilities are intuitive for me.
Here comes the dilema. Breton are a poor race choice for this setup.
While it is true I could have one toon for RP and one for PvE, I don't think that is a fair tradeoff. Why shouldn't I proudly display a storm proof title? Why shouldn't I be able to wear all the amazing gear I found, such as alkosh or kena? Why should I be pigeon holed into RP or PvE when neither conflicts with each other in any way but a pointless game mechanic designed without much consideration for lore (anyone remember Argonians being tanky, or was I alone in remembering their guerilla tactics?).
Now feel free to disagree *which I do heavily* or claim that racial aren't that much of a difference, because you are right they are only a small part of any build.
But I will remain upset my desire to RP in an MMORPG could potentially gimp me on ANY amount of power.
Where to start?
I highlighted all the parts where the post came across as "I want this because I don't feel my decision should have any weight to the gameplay aspects of ESO and should be editable according to my feelings." Plus a couple Kanye West-esq moments, "I know you have an opinion but let me tell you why mine is right." lines.
I also highlighted a few parts that illustrated the fact that you're aware that this is a situation where you could remedy your grievances by playing an Alt but are electing not to due to the fact that you feel it's unfair and you should be catered to. Or that you *could* continue playing as you are now and be perfectly fine, but the OCD in you knows there's a potentially better combination for your desired end-result. However, you *only* want to attain that combination while keeping your appearance because...well, that's how society is now.
Combine those two sets of examples and you arrive at the point of "this is how I want the game to be because this is how I feel".
Do not take this as me picking on you or your post on a personal level, I'm only using this to exhibit the flawed logic of "we should be able to make a toon of our preferred appearance, "flaws" and all, and change the "flaws" to something cherry-picked so I can shed my undesirable traits and have the power I feel I am entitled to as a gamer / min-maxer / RPer."
I understand "why you'd want this". There's no consequence to the decision on which Race to play. Instead, you can have the Race you want with the Passives you want.
There has to be something that distinguishes the Races from one another. If this proposed method of changing Races were to go into effect it would undermine a large portion of the game (IMO, anyway. It's obvious not everyone feels this way). Not to mention what population imbalances this could ripple through the PvP community. (Make a Dunmer because everyone loves Morrowind. Don't worry, you can buy the Altmer passives!, etc.)
Now if you were saying... "I made a Breton, but I now find myself wanting to play an Imperial. I don't want to level another toon and wish to pump cash into the game in order to not start over. (or) I don't have any more Toon slots because I'm at max but would like to change everything about a toon while supporting the game." ...and you were willing to forgo the Passives, then fine, by all means, buy a Race Change token (or whatever they end up calling it) on the Crown Store and change your race, passives and all.
I don't believe you should be able to mix-and-match Race-Specific Passives to any Race of your choice. That's just stupid and takes away all of the "impact" of being a specific race. It also makes no sense what-so-ever. Some fat-ass Orc with the swimming passives of an Argonian. lol
For the record, all of my Toons (save for 2, for RP) are Dunmer. There are better combinations out there for either Stam or Magicka, but I don't care because I *wanted* to play as a Dunmer. So that's 10 Dunmer, 1 Altmer and 1 Imperial. I'm happy with my choices.
I can see your point, though my post was not as bad as Kanye West, let's start there =P
And I think the fundamental difference is you are of the belief that racial passives should matter, where I do not agree. At that very base disagreement, we'll never be able to agree on race changes.
But ZOS is implimenting this change (or at least is likely to), which is why I wanted to show my dilemma and possible solution. That was the original intent of the post overall.
Just food for thought.0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭No, Race change is IMHO not a possible feature.
Instead, THEY SHOULD FIX THE ARGONIAN.
OOPS, sorry, i was so not excited as one used as excuse for caps. :PEarthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
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✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
But it WILL, see, if an Argonain likes to become an Orc... but he has not the Starter thingy...WardenofArcherus wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »
EXACTLY: Take PvP, who would know you'd be no spy?KoshkaMurka wrote: »and you will never know if someone had changed their chars.
Thank you, for pointing that out.
I can see a butt load of issues coming from them, imagine trading from player to player, who's who?
One cannot make track anymore.
Umm how its related to pvp?
And please describe those issues. Because I'm sorry, but without facts it sounds like: I dont want it for my characters so no one should get it.
Edit: for "who's who" purposes there are @ names.
It seems like some players are thinking a race change will also provide players the ability to change their alliance.
Yep...
Which could be fixed by only being able to purchase races of your alliance (unless you habe the explorer'spack). That is an easy answer.0 -
dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭You miss the point: How many do you think, would like to become a race of another faction?
Don't you think, and this is a remarkable idiotic question, since the answer is beyond obvious, that folks will not complain of how they can't be something from another faction, if it was introduced as per what you just say?
Think Crafting Bag.Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0 -
LadyNalcarya✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »You miss the point: How many do you think, would like to become a race of another faction?
Don't you think, and this is a remarkable idiotic question, since the answer is beyond obvious, that folks will not complain of how they can't be something from another faction, if it was introduced as per what you just say?
Think Crafting Bag.
Many. Even if you check "your preferred playable race" polls on various TES forums you'll see that some races are more preferred than others, even in single-player games.
Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 7, 2016 6:37PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...
Boohoo, do you go into any other game and achieve max level on every character once you've done it with one? No you don't.
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✭✭✭✭✭psychotic13 wrote: »KoshkaMurka wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »psychotic13 wrote: »Am I the only one who doesn't want race change? I think it's illogical, you chose a race you have to commit to it, don't like it roll another character?
I would totally agree if ZoS would commit to a static game. Commitment is a two-way street.
I leveled many Argonians to cap (4 are V501 now), and through Cadwell's gold and silver because: (1) if you could get enough potions, Argonians were a top 5 race in the beginning; (2) no male of any race looked better in a dress and carrying a stick; (3) I dug the Argonian-hippy culture; and (4) I wanted one of each class to weather the cycle of nerf-storms that is inevitable in a poorly designed MMO (or in this case, an initially well designed game that is changed every 3-6 months...).
Then they nerfed Argonian passives through the floor. ZoS' rampage included, in sequential order: (1) raising the softcaps; (2) removing the softcaps; and (3) changing the excellent Argonian potion passive, which synergized with nightblade potion passive, to hands down the worst passive in the game (as part of the switch to major/minor buff system).
Roll another toon? Please. People with the time to get their new character through to the same progression level as the old character are not spending money in the cash shop. I'll just wait for the inevitable race change feature...
I really wish the Elder Scrolls enthusiasts and "got commitment?" crowd would read back through the patch notes and understand a little history before jumping in with comments that are inane in view of the history of ESO.
Like I've already said. ZOS have already helped you with that. I myself don't have lots of time to play with a partner and son while also working full time. And it's only level 50 you have to get to, really doesn't take long, even if you have other commitments in life.
Its not only level 50 actually. There's also Undaunted, Mages/Fighters guild and other skill lines to level...
Also people who are under cp cap wont get champion exp while lvling alts. And considering all this pug elitism with those cps its a problem...
Boohoo, do you go into any other game and achieve max level on every character once you've done it with one? No you don't.
Now "level" in this game = champion rank. It is in fact account-based, not character based.Dro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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dtm_samuraib16_ESO✭✭✭✭https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."1 -
DocFrost72✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Guys, let's refocus here. The discussion of SHOULD is another thread entirely. The title is "if and when" these suspected changes are introduce. I'm open to all suggestions, but "it shouldn't come" is more a semantic discussion.
If you think buying a racial passive change is too easy, let's talk alternatives
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✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
Not sure aboot the price, but otherwise very interesting idea.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
So random is a fair deal but just swapping race is not?
Using you own arguments, it would cause much more mess.
Especially with rng... Rng cash shop items are the cancer of mmo games...Edited by LadyNalcarya on June 7, 2016 6:54PMDro-m'Athra Destroyer | Divayth Fyr's Coadjutor | Voice of Reason
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Clerics1985✭✭✭DocFrost72 wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
Not sure aboot the price, but otherwise very interesting idea.
I already mentioned another alternative, Racial polymorphs, they will give you what you desire. at the Price of hiding any other cosmetics on said character. there's always give and take you don't even get your cake in ESO half the time, LET ALONE eat it too.
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✭✭✭✭KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
So p2w is a fair deal but just swapping race is not?
Using you own arguments, it would cause much more mess.
Much as I would prefer a simple passive swap, this idea outlined isn't pay to win. Though it is essentially the same thing as passives change, isn't it? Buying the passives to keep the appearence of another race?
Same limitation though, I think. It would only allow purchase of races within your alliance unless you own the Explorer pack. Also not fond of it behind a crown only system0 -
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✭✭✭✭Clerics1985 wrote: »DocFrost72 wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
Not sure aboot the price, but otherwise very interesting idea.
I already mentioned another alternative, Racial polymorphs, they will give you what you desire. at the Price of hiding any other cosmetics on said character. there's always give and take you don't even get your cake in ESO half the time, LET ALONE eat it too.
Only issue I have with that is how would you customize the appearance change? For example, an altmer morphs to a khajiit. The sliders are different, so how does one control appearence? And also, does this mean no wearing costumes?0 -
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Exquise me?KoshkaMurka wrote: »dtm_samuraib16_ESO wrote: »https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/270478/instead-of-a-race-change#latest
Here is somewhat an idea, I could live with, to prevent abuse:
BUY a Race and whatever chance for 5000 crowns a go.
Now THAT seems a fair deal.
And will prevent abuse.
Wait, didn't I already say that?
Ah well.
But, it will prevent...
So random is a fair deal but just swapping race is not?
Using you own arguments, it would cause much more mess.
Especially with rng... Rng cash shop items are the cancer of mmo games...
I lost the point there...?
How is random what and where, but changing race is not?Earthdawn Game Master Role Play Quotes by me:
"If it looks like a bear, if it feels like a bear, smells and tastes like a bear, then be VERY aware, it could be something ENTIRELY different..."
"Be careful what you wish for, you might get plenty of it..."0