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Tired of 1 hit wonder

knowledgeseeker
I'm also tired of being kicked out of veteran rank dungeons for being a 1 hit wonder, I constantly see people running around in heavy armor tanking and dealing out an absurd amount of damage, pretty much 1 shotting npcs and taking chunks out of world bosses.
how are they achieving that. Yes I know that in all likely-hood my current build is wrong I've always known I would have to change it when I got to veteran rank dungeons and trials I would just cross that bridge when I got to it.
I'm a mage currently for attributes I have a 1:1 magic health ratio I've got around 19?? magic, I'm transferring from tissue paper to heavy armor unless someone shows that I can achieve heavy armor status without switching, but what I'm looking at now is a huge loss in damage in exchange for survivability, which I don't really mind because all the attack power in the world is useless if you can't live long enough to use it. I've been wearing a full julianos with seducer, but since im giving up my light armor the spell crit is wasted now, i've read people saying hitting 50% crit is easy without trying but i had to spec for it sooo. Any help with cp is also great.
  • susmitds
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    You can tank every vet dungeon without heavy armor and having lesser than 20k HP buffed.
  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    What level are you?
    What class are you? (You wrote mage, but I've seen people use it to describe sorcerer class and magicka builds in general, so I want to make sure I don't misunderstand you.)

    Group dungeons require a different setup than solo questing content in this game, and the mobs and bosses are much harder to kill - that is why groups devide their roles into 3: 1 tank, 1 healer, 2 damage dealers - usually the tank is the only one that is not squishy...

  • Rohamad_Ali
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    I thought this was gonna be about Harry Belefonte

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PMigXnXMhQ4

    Try a more diverse build . I mix heavy and light with one medium . Julianos and seducers . It's tanks enough .
  • knowledgeseeker
    I'm sorcerer class VR 16, I'm a generalist I'm either healing or spamming crystals.
    Edited by knowledgeseeker on May 22, 2016 4:17PM
  • psychotic13
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    Are you using hardened ward by any chance?

    And you don't want to be spamming crystal frags, you want crushing shock to spam, and every time it procs crystal frags insta cast then use that.
    Edited by psychotic13 on May 22, 2016 4:26PM
  • holosoul
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    you're v16 and you have 19k magicka?

    there's no way you should be under 30k magicka, 45k is achievable for altmer (high elf) and 35k is reasonable for anyone
    in PVE ward is incredible, it scales with your magicka so by having 40k magicka you also have a 20k health ward, you should run something like 4 magnus and 4 seducer + willpower (there are other viable sets, just an example)
    a lot of the stats come from CP but without CP (lit, 0) you should still be able to get 40k magicka 1300 magicka regen and 2300 - 2500 spell damage and at minimum 40% crit with purple food, but otherwise completely unbuffed
    This assumes you have 5 piece light and magelight crit
  • milesrodneymcneely2_ESO
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    I'm sorcerer class VR 16, I'm a generalist I'm either healing or spamming crystals.
    Ah, I had this problem when I first got started.

    For good or ill, crafting a successful build has always come down to one really big compound word: overspecialization.

    Decide what you want to do, and go from there. Do you want to heal, tank, blast the bad guys from range, or get up in their faces and knock them down?

    Once you've made this decision, go all in. You'll find yourself having a MUCH better time of things.

    I know veteran gamers' will find this advice overly simplistic, but it's a good starting point to work from until you really start to understand the nuances of the skill system and are able to tweak things later on.

    Enjoy! :)
  • Waffennacht
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    I'm sorcerer class VR 16, I'm a generalist I'm either healing or spamming crystals.
    Ah, I had this problem when I first got started.

    For good or ill, crafting a successful build has always come down to one really big compound word: overspecialization.

    Decide what you want to do, and go from there. Do you want to heal, tank, blast the bad guys from range, or get up in their faces and knock them down?

    Once you've made this decision, go all in. You'll find yourself having a MUCH better time of things.

    I know veteran gamers' will find this advice overly simplistic, but it's a good starting point to work from until you really start to understand the nuances of the skill system and are able to tweak things later on.

    Enjoy! :)

    Precisely.

    You cannot try to do more than one thing and be as good as any build that has specialized.

    A few generalizations for PvE:

    In groups allow the tank to tank, healer heals etc... if you're a sorc, you're more than likely the dps, you need to dps. AoEs such as lightning flood and destro barrier are highly recommend

    As a sorc, your ward is your health, (in top tier dps sorcs they don't run ward and rely on healer, I don't recommend this unless you are really comfortable)

    Have around 20k health, this prevents a boss mechanic from 1-shotting you and will give you enough health for some mistakes.

    If you do run a heal, I'd suggest something like Combat Prayer, it'll boost you and your group's dps while giving you a heal.
    In PvE Power Surge is a fantastic heal, a lot of experienced sorcs run this and no other way to heal. - This is not advised in PvP.

    For magicka sorcs, I try to run no lower than 35k magicka. But that's with a heavy slant towards spell damage. - if having difficulty hitting 35k, go all attributes in magicka, all glyphs on armor magicka and Innerlight/Bound Aegis. You can run both but I will usually only run one. And Blue Food (or purp, but blue is better for PvE and is FAR cheaper to buy or make)

    Bolt Escape is your friend, it gets you outta the red and if being mobbed (I prefer streak) it'll give you time and space to let you reset your bearings.

    For DPS Overload is your best bud. It's the only way for Sorcs to have the top dps numbers as other builds. I never leave home without it.

    In group play Pets are questionable, once experienced and with a good build pets can be a boon, but typically they just get in your tanks and dps' way.

    If I can think of anything else ill added it, hope I helped.
    Edited by Waffennacht on May 22, 2016 7:27PM
    Gamer tag: DasPanzerKat NA Xbox One
    1300+ CP
    Battleground PvP'er

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  • linlilia
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    I play with a pretty standard 4 man group, we have been dungeoning for near a month together and we have a good team, all v16s and I can tell you this much we work because we feed off of each other.

    I am the super squishy healer (Magicka-Templar) so some of the best heals in the game and I use them. But the big thing is if you are just joining random groups you need to be able to heal yourself and shield yourself sometimes. As a DPS a good healer should be able to heal you most of the time, but my main focus is always the tank because I dont want to die, and my character has an amazing taunting skill with no taunts on her bar ( I am serious, I can aggro almost anything even when being taunted by our tank, it is amazing to see, and mobs love to focus in on me).

    2 of us run 5 piece light armor (Healer and DPS) and 1 medium (the stamina DPS) and 1 runs mostly 5 piece heavy (the tank). DPSing in 5 piece is not bad and I only run about 22k magicka build, and yes I know that it is low for a healer. But I make due, and I rarely run out of magicka unless it happens to be a very long boss fight.

    The key is to build what works with your play style, if you prefer being away from the boss use distance attacks and so on. Up close to the boss, melee style, they need shields and self heals because bosses tend to hit super hard. And another thing to remember is that some bosses do have 1 hit mechanics. Nothing you can do about them.

    Specializing is an easy way to sure up yourself, but make sure you have some sort of defense and a heal, they may be annoying to have on your bar but you need to be able to emergency heal yourself. If you are dying a lot look to see what is killing you. Having hybrid builds work if you get a stable one together. Being confident in your build (knowing where and what all your skills are) makes a huge difference. I have let my team down when I change something and just dont hit the right button.

    If you give us more info there is more specifics that we can say.

    Best of luck.
  • failkiwib16_ESO
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    I'm sorcerer class VR 16, I'm a generalist I'm either healing or spamming crystals.
    Blue Champion Points:
    31 points in Elfborn and put the rest of the blue champion points you have in Elemental Expert.

    Respec all your attribute points into Max Magicka. Choose The Thief as mundus stone.

    5 lightarmor Julianos
    heavy head and medium chest Torugs Pact
    Weapons: all Torugs Pact
    3 Willpower jewelry with Healthy trait
    blue v15 food buff that gives max magicka and max health.

    Destro staff: level up Force Shock to Force Pulse and Impulse to Elemental Ring


    Single target training:
    Go to a random veteran location with big ugly creatures that are alone - use your Clannfear to tank the animal/beast and practice weaving. Once the animal/beast is dead, go to next creature for practice...

    You click the button for Force Pulse to fire off, and as soon as you do you hold your left-mouse-button down, when the animation for the Force Pulse ends, you let go of your left-mouse-button to fire off a staff attack.

    Weaving takes practice, and some learn it faster than others. You can weave light attacks or medium or heavy attacks with your weapon

    Multiple target training:
    Go to a v8 location with a lot of mobs, preferably dumb & slow ones like zombies. Dismiss your summonings, because you shouldn't practice with them in this case.

    Noobproof way:
    Cast Boundless Storm on yourself, Liquid Lightning in the middle of the mobs, run in and cast Elemental Ring untill they all die - if a mob runs out of aoe area, kill the others first and then use single target Forcer Pulse weaving to finish the ranged mob off..

    How it can alternatively be done:
    Cast Boundless Storm on yourself, Liquid Lightning in the middle of the mobs - get close and use Force Pulse-weaving to kill them all.

    Boss fights:
    Usually you go with Force Pulse-weaving, and when the boss is down to 25% you can start using Mage Wrath to execute the boss.
    Alternatively you use Overload ultimate light-attacks and just spam this, but if you run dry you can do as I mentioned above, Force Pulse and then execute with Mage Wrath.


    Mob fights:
    Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning and Impulse.
    Alternatively Boundless Storm, Liquid Lightning and Force Pulse.

    Do not cast Liquid Lightning if the mobs are far away, because the will just run out of it and toward you, make sure you go into the kill-zone and fight them there, unless they all spread too far out - then you can use ranged attacks.

    Crystal Shard - this skill is really good, if you morph it to Crystal Fragments and only cast it when it can be instant casted, otherwise don't bother slotting this at all, because it might distract you from improving your rotation for weaving.

    Boundless Storm is a great skill, because it gives an AoE dot, so it's good for bossfights and mob fights - however you don't have to use it in boss-fights untill you are comfortable with getting close to them.

    Mage's Wrath is a very powerful execution skill, but don't use it on targets that have full health. Use it when they drop below 25% hp, and it will deal some shiny poweful explosions.

    Overload - light-attacking with this skill beats everything, unfortunately it's an ultimate.. so you have to charge it up before you enter a boss fight.

    Surge is good for survival, the morph Power Surge gives 20% spell power while the other morph Critical Surge gives you better heals, so if you use spell power potions, then choose Critical Surge morph because the effects do not stack, and you benefit more from the heals.

    Daedric Summoning skill line is great for one thing, due to the passives every skill you slot grants you 8% more max magicka. That is why some sorcerers slot up to 3 skills from this skill line on each of their bars.

    I don't know everything about sorcerer class, but I think I covered the most basics of the class here. I am too sleepy to remember more right now :p
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    Several goid ideas but i alsi like to throw in shattering prison.
    Holds group for any ground dot for 4sec
    Procs minor sorc for group for 20s.
    Damage in 4sec procs bloid magic heal.
    Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
    YFMV Your Fun May Vary.

    First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
    "The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."

  • knowledgeseeker
    Sorry for being so late to reply.

    I went and redid my attributes and put all of them into magic, so now I'm sitting at 24k magicka, I have 1 willpower necklace and 2 soulshine rings on, working on getting the rest of the willpower set, if that's not possible I'll just have 2 light of cyrodiil rings the 255k ones

    I also made an armor set following Septimus_magnas post I'm wearing a full set of seducer and 3 magnus.
    https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/252066/large-parts-small-parts-infused-divines-or-reinforced
    I'm ok with not overspecializing, its funny you can play it anyway you want just know that you are playing it the wrong way.
    Is it ok to go with prismatic or magicka glyphs on my armor, I'm all about longevity and surivivability especially in cyrodiil so if I'm not getting much of an increase in 1 of those I don't need it.
    I'm running with the thief mundus and at the end of the month my staff critical research will be done and I'll be sitting at around 50% critical chance, which would be more efficient putting points into elfborn or elemental expert, I know that by raising the normal damage, critical damage also raises as well, but again which one is more efficient for my build
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