Kartalin wrote: »

Also your CP rank can be misleading. My DK for instance just hit v1 days before the patch, but looking at him with 501+ CP you'd have no idea I'm not as practiced with him as my Nightblade who earned the vast majority of my points.

Indeed... having a V1 suddenly max level was great. Except that I still need Undaunted, Fighter's Guild, finish maxxing skill lines, etc. She's much weaker than the toons that leveled the old way.

CP ain't everything.

If the gear cap is 160, why is any information about beyond 160 showing? If the allocation cap is 501, why isn't that the gear cap too? Just wondering.

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

And this type of CP Elitism/shaming was what many of us (who were/are still very much against the removal of Vet Ranks and going to only Champion Points) warned Zenimax and the Community about before the change.

Now (and it is starting to show it's ugly head already); your build won't matter, your class won't matter, Healer/Tank/DPS... none of it matters after this change.

All that matters is if your Character has a CP501 next to their name. If you don't? Shaming, ridicule, and getting booted from a Group (if you even get an invite at all...) are going to be commonplace if that number isn't 501.

And all the PvP kiddos screaming their heads off for the removal of Vet Ranks, just so they can have a full slate of eight max-level characters in the shortest amount of time possible, they're the ones who should be held responsible for this. This is the abortion that their impatience created.

It will only get worse, OP.

Funny all I do is PvP and I never asked for this change and haven't seen anyone in zone chat in pvp complaining and asking for this either. Maybe people on the forums complained or asked for it but not the people I've seen actually playing the game. It was so easy to get vr16 anyway most pvp'ers wouldn't really care. Roll the change back - I don't care either way. But doesn't seem fair to blame folks doing PvP for folks doing PvE judging/alienating other folks doing PvE - blame those being elitist.

Hurika wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

And this type of CP Elitism/shaming was what many of us (who were/are still very much against the removal of Vet Ranks and going to only Champion Points) warned Zenimax and the Community about before the change.

Now (and it is starting to show it's ugly head already); your build won't matter, your class won't matter, Healer/Tank/DPS... none of it matters after this change.

All that matters is if your Character has a CP501 next to their name. If you don't? Shaming, ridicule, and getting booted from a Group (if you even get an invite at all...) are going to be commonplace if that number isn't 501.

And all the PvP kiddos screaming their heads off for the removal of Vet Ranks, just so they can have a full slate of eight max-level characters in the shortest amount of time possible, they're the ones who should be held responsible for this. This is the abortion that their impatience created.

It will only get worse, OP.

Funny all I do is PvP and I never asked for this change and haven't seen anyone in zone chat in pvp complaining and asking for this either. Maybe people on the forums complained or asked for it but not the people I've seen actually playing the game. It was so easy to get vr16 anyway most pvp'ers wouldn't really care. Roll the change back - I don't care either way. But doesn't seem fair to blame folks doing PvP for folks doing PvE judging/alienating other folks doing PvE - blame those being elitist.

Well... that's where they complained. The Forums.

Up until the removal of VR's had a solid date, 90+% of the threads about VR removal was from PvP kids. Here. On the Forums. Hence, my statement.

As a side note; the Elitism I mentioned was not ever defined along a PvP/PvE split. It's starting now though, and it's going to keep building. We're only on Day 3 of the update, but there's already the CP Elitism building and gaining strength on the LFG sites, and in Zone Chat. That's happening for both sides of the game (PvP & PvE).

It's not to the level of what some games have achieved, but it's already happening. It will only get worse from here.

But as I said; it's not that all players at the Cap are going to display Elitism in this manner. No, there are some very reasonable people in the game, and quite a few of them have posted in this thread. So, I try not to generalize.

However; the people at the Cap looking to make PUG's to take on end-game content (whether PvP or PvE), who will display this vulgar Elitism, they are in the majority. The calm, rational players like yourself are only going to get the guilt-by-association treatment simply because of the actions of these CP Elitists.

I like to think I'm a pleasant pessimist, but I'm still a pessimist. I've seen it happen too many times in too many great games to not recognize the warning signs when they start showing up.

I wish it didn't have to be this way, but this is where Zenimax took the game when they went this direction by having absolutely everything tied to a CP number and having no other method of player progressions.

Game should just have a difficulty slider for PvE and level 50 characters should just be called "Champion" and maybe a way to view the CP but no reason to have it displayed not have it displayed on the NPCs.

Rex-Umbra wrote: »

Game should just have a difficulty slider for PvE and level 50 characters should just be called "Champion" and maybe a way to view the CP but no reason to have it displayed not have it displayed on the NPCs.

@Rex-Umbra
I think that was the purpose but now...no idea what ZOS is doing because they've taken VR problems and CP concerns and made a mess of things.
Elitism aside, it doesn't work as is and as they look to raise the CP cap,...which is absolutely silly and dumb, the problems extend.

CP cap only makes sense for PvP and leader-boards but you dont need to cap ppl, you just have leader board and campaign ranges of CP. Maybe its time to find a new game because basically ZOS is trying to make their game look and work like The Division instead of Elder Scrolls Online Tamriel Unlimited.

All they had to do was take away the vet ranks, hide the CP and keep it at lvl 50.
But na they gotta be weird about it.

STEVIL wrote: »

As an odd idea to throw out...

What if we just let people choose for themselves who they group with and by that if they choose to use cp501 as a benchmark,its ok.

Just like if someone wants to start an all templar only templar guild.

Or should we start masking sfx so you dont know someone is a sorc bc some people might not want a sorc in the group?

FWIW 501 or whatever cp value you want IS at least a metrick of time playing.

As for only show to 160... is it fine thdn to draw the line at 150?

Not defending the chatter nonsense or insults.

Agreed. We all have the right to group selectively and there is a wide and varied playerbase so everyone can choose accordingly.

I don't know if anyone posted this yet or not (haven't read through every comment; just the first page or so) but why not just remove the cap? That way, no one is capped and the obvious discrimination point is gone?

That seems to solve the problem!

Can I just have the cp I missed out on from leveling before others/champion system? I would feel a good amount better about this issue if I was at least caught up to those with similar playtimes.

It is an alliance war after all: there are infantries and specialized ELITE murder groups. We all get to participate, only not in the same manner

This game really needs a gear inspect feature, don't let scrubs who chose to run a *** build ruin the game!

Well I have "Gotten over no text chat for console"

I have gotten over a lot of things that ZOS have done to make this game more "Un-enjoyable" for me.

But I will leave this game if it become another EP33N check just to run dungeons or participate in PvP..


Neverwinter had the same problem and I was personally one of the top 10 best geared Wiz and Tanks in the game at the time and I just hated seeing guildmates or friends get insta kicked from parties just because they did not have the correct magic number next to their characters name..

If ESO turns into that kind of game I will defiantly be leaving.. And I dare say I will not be alone.


I personally have no problem with getting and keeping max CP's, but the environment that this kind of thing creates is not something I want to be a part of.

SirAndy wrote: »

N0TPLAYER2 wrote: »

I'm at 550. I want people to know I'm a lot better than most common vet 16s. I run all vet dungeons, trials etc. I can heal with the best of them and now I appreciate I will stand out as a better player with the update.

@N0TPLAYER2
550 CP does not automatically make you a "better" player. It just means you have had a lot of time to play the game.
You could still suck big time.

The only thing that makes you a better player is your actual skill, which has nothing to do with how many CPs you have ...

No it doesn't. But I "am" a better player. And I feel showing I have 550 and this equates to others that I am not a fresh vet 16. It's better imo. Anyone can get to vet 16. Not too many can get to 500.

To clarify, I mean that I feel 550 is a better representation of my skill than vet 16 or level 50. I earned those points and I'm proud to display them. The same way we wear monster helms in the bank, to show off our accomplishments.

Sallington wrote: »

In PvP, if I see you with <300 CP, all I see is a bullseye.

And if that person kicks your ass, I hope you congratulate them on their skill.