[POLL] Hacking response - Make your choice: Perma-Ban, Temp-Ban, RollBack......

Molag_Crow · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

I actually should have chosen Permanent, but yeah.

Woeler · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Permaban.

Nebthet78 · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

I said it before and I will say it again, they are knowingly using a Third Party Program to Cheat. It is against the TOS. They deserve a PermaBan!!

PS. Wonder how long this poll will last. The last one was removed.

xblackroxe · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

KramUzibra wrote: »

Ridistrin wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Ridistrin wrote: »

HAND OUT PERMABANS, it's simple as that.

The problem is that people are just being blatant right now in order to bring attention to themselves. Once permabans go out people will just stop being as blatant. For example, if someone increases all of their stats by 20% it would be hard to identify them as a hacker. They need to come up with some kind of programmatic way to identify people using this.

And it would do a whole lot less damage to PVP.
I'd much rather have a few people that have 20% higher stats than groups full of obvious hackers.

Obvious isn't enough! You need proof.

You mean proof like all those videos of people spamming meteors that you can find everywhere?

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

xblackroxe wrote: »

KramUzibra wrote: »

Ridistrin wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Ridistrin wrote: »

HAND OUT PERMABANS, it's simple as that.

The problem is that people are just being blatant right now in order to bring attention to themselves. Once permabans go out people will just stop being as blatant. For example, if someone increases all of their stats by 20% it would be hard to identify them as a hacker. They need to come up with some kind of programmatic way to identify people using this.

And it would do a whole lot less damage to PVP.
I'd much rather have a few people that have 20% higher stats than groups full of obvious hackers.

Obvious isn't enough! You need proof.

You mean proof like all those videos of people spamming meteors that you can find everywhere?

Lol! Bruh!

Alex_Lex · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

Guys,
Perma ban can be seen as a good thing, as the thing that should be

I have been permabanned. I never got the reason why it was had been done.
As far as I understand, ZOS decided I sold gold.
I had lots of free time and was one of top10 guild traders in one Crag guild, collected 10mil gold with trading.
I exchanged gold to ingame crowns. I found it not EULA-breaking and thought it was funny. Yet ZOS decided I should be permabanned.

But I'm not talking about my reason, I talk about all the situation feedback.

Neither I neither any of you can't guarantee that ZOS would permaban players who really deserved it.

Permaban is a really harsh punishment.
Even 3 months is quite harsh.

Permaban is a heart-breaker. Cause there'd be not co guilty guys.
I promise you: they would be permabanned and they would have absolute zero chances to appeal.

So, please, don't go after permaban.

Nirnroot · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Alex_Lex wrote: »

Guys,
Perma ban can be seen as a good thing, as the thing that should be

I have been permabanned. I never got the reason why it was had been done.
As far as I understand, ZOS decided I sold gold.
I had lots of free time and was one of top10 guild traders in one Crag guild, collected 10mil gold with trading.
I exchanged gold to ingame crowns. I found it not EULA-breaking and thought it was funny. Yet ZOS decided I should be permabanned.

But I'm not talking about my reason, I talk about all the situation feedback.

Neither I neither any of you can't guarantee that ZOS would permaban players who really deserved it.

Permaban is a really harsh punishment.
Even 3 months is quite harsh.

Permaban is a heart-breaker. Cause there'd be not co guilty guys.
I promise you: they would be permabanned and they would have absolute zero chances to appeal.

So, please, don't go after permaban.

Well, I can understand "no permaban" for in-game exploits, since it can hit innocent people and exploit can be done unknowingly (like with templar ulti that could be used multiple times).
But if someone downloads malicious software and uses it to ruin other people games...

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Just pause for a moment everyone, and think about all of the people who'll get banned for thinking that they were slick.

susmitds · May 2016

Temp-Ban - and loss of all gear

Perma-ban and they will be back with another account. Needs more annoying punishment. Also give them the perma Title of Cheater that cant be changed.

Alex_Lex · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I can understand "no permaban" for in-game exploits, since it can hit innocent people and exploit can be done unknowingly (like with templar ulti that could be used multiple times).
But if someone downloads malicious software and uses it to ruin other people games...

I state there would be banned people who not so guilty, who tested exploit and went on.
ZOS has too big data to analyze it completely.
They react to reports. They definetly do.

That's why I state there'd be people who not so guilty while lots of real exploiters would play on.

And they never won't have a chance to appeal

Xylphan · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Wipe them out. All of them.

Parade their toons through the town square to a guillotine and behead them. Then delete their entire account, take all their crowns, and permanently flag their real names/credit cards/etc. so that they can never set foot in Tamriel again.

This isn't some exploit in the code. This isn't something someone innocently stumbled into. The people doing this are DELIBERATELY downloading and using a third party hack.

This kind of blatant violation deserves no mercy and zero tolerance.

LadyNalcarya · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Alex_Lex wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I can understand "no permaban" for in-game exploits, since it can hit innocent people and exploit can be done unknowingly (like with templar ulti that could be used multiple times).
But if someone downloads malicious software and uses it to ruin other people games...

I state there would be banned people who not so guilty, who tested exploit and went on.
ZOS has too big data to analyze it completely.
They react to reports. They definetly do.

That's why I state there'd be people who not so guilty while lots of real exploiters would play on.

How can someone be "not so guilty" if they downloaded a program which name clearly states that its made for cheating and ESO' ToS clearly states that using those programs is forbidden?
Like I said... There can be kind of grey area if we're talking about ingame stuff... But this is not something that a honest player would do.

Brightxdawn · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Bring down the hammer!

Panth141 · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Alex_Lex wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I can understand "no permaban" for in-game exploits, since it can hit innocent people and exploit can be done unknowingly (like with templar ulti that could be used multiple times).
But if someone downloads malicious software and uses it to ruin other people games...

I state there would be banned people who not so guilty, who tested exploit and went on.
ZOS has too big data to analyze it completely.
They react to reports. They definetly do.

That's why I state there'd be people who not so guilty while lots of real exploiters would play on.

How can someone be "not so guilty" if they downloaded a program which name clearly states that its made for cheating and ESO' ToS clearly states that using those programs is forbidden?
Like I said... There can be kind of grey area if we're talking about ingame stuff... But this is not something that a honest player would do.

Absolutely this.

There is no plea of ignorance here. If you did it, you knew you were doing it and you knew the repercussions of being caught.

Alex_Lex · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

How can someone be "not so guilty" if they downloaded a program which name clearly states that its made for cheating and ESO' ToS clearly states that using those programs is forbidden?
Like I said... There can be kind of grey area if we're talking about ingame stuff... But this is not something that a honest player would do.

Curiosity.
Curiosity killed the cat.

Do you think I was in need of crowns last autumn? Nope, it was interested in some new experience I could receive.

Modern players have 2+ years of ESOxperience. Don't you think they would miss the chance to try new experience too?
I don't think or state hacks are just fine. Hacks in MMOs are bad and should be punished.
Permaban? Permaban can hit you when you do all just fine and according to EULA.
So I say no to permaban. 3 months are enough. Really enough.

Ch4mpTW · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Alex_Lex wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, I can understand "no permaban" for in-game exploits, since it can hit innocent people and exploit can be done unknowingly (like with templar ulti that could be used multiple times).
But if someone downloads malicious software and uses it to ruin other people games...

I state there would be banned people who not so guilty, who tested exploit and went on.
ZOS has too big data to analyze it completely.
They react to reports. They definetly do.

That's why I state there'd be people who not so guilty while lots of real exploiters would play on.

How can someone be "not so guilty" if they downloaded a program which name clearly states that its made for cheating and ESO' ToS clearly states that using those programs is forbidden?
Like I said... There can be kind of grey area if we're talking about ingame stuff... But this is not something that a honest player would do.

Not only do you proudly wear the Aldmeri Dominion flag, but you also tend to speak a lot of logic and truth in these forums... You sir, can count on me to stand by your side, if things get messy.

Korah_Eaglecry · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

No more half measures. Ill be unsubbing later this week if I dont see some serious leg work by ZOS. I hope others will join me.

ManwithBeard9 · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Alex_Lex wrote: »

Guys,
Perma ban can be seen as a good thing, as the thing that should be

I have been permabanned. I never got the reason why it was had been done.
As far as I understand, ZOS decided I sold gold.
I had lots of free time and was one of top10 guild traders in one Crag guild, collected 10mil gold with trading.
I exchanged gold to ingame crowns. I found it not EULA-breaking and thought it was funny. Yet ZOS decided I should be permabanned.

But I'm not talking about my reason, I talk about all the situation feedback.

Neither I neither any of you can't guarantee that ZOS would permaban players who really deserved it.

Permaban is a really harsh punishment.
Even 3 months is quite harsh.

Permaban is a heart-breaker. Cause there'd be not co guilty guys.
I promise you: they would be permabanned and they would have absolute zero chances to appeal.

So, please, don't go after permaban.

So you exchanged gold for a crowns, which have to be bought with real world money. Yes that's gold selling and they were right to ban you.

These people are intentionally downloading 3rd party software to alter the game, yes they should be permanently banned.

Kendaric · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Alex_Lex wrote: »

Guys,
Perma ban can be seen as a good thing, as the thing that should be

I have been permabanned. I never got the reason why it was had been done.
As far as I understand, ZOS decided I sold gold.
I had lots of free time and was one of top10 guild traders in one Crag guild, collected 10mil gold with trading.
I exchanged gold to ingame crowns. I found it not EULA-breaking and thought it was funny. Yet ZOS decided I should be permabanned.

But I'm not talking about my reason, I talk about all the situation feedback.

Neither I neither any of you can't guarantee that ZOS would permaban players who really deserved it.

Permaban is a really harsh punishment.
Even 3 months is quite harsh.

Permaban is a heart-breaker. Cause there'd be not co guilty guys.
I promise you: they would be permabanned and they would have absolute zero chances to appeal.

So, please, don't go after permaban.

Sorry, but no.
Permaban is the only option for someone using third party programs to cheat. There is simply no excuse for that.

dsalter · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

i rarely agree but a perma ban is indeed needed, from games like WoW, EvE, etc, hacking was an automatic perma ban as you willingly cheated the system by tampering.

if the bans are given out i may have some restored faith in Zeni's staff.

InfaM · May 2016

Temp-Ban - 7 days

Those who actually did the ressources exploit and earned millions of gold has been banned with a 3 day temp-ban , while this impacted economy it required a bigger ban.
If they fix ultimate exploit it will leave no impact on the game, so they should follow their logic and keep the 3 days ban.

I don't see ult exploit impacting more the game on the long than ressource exploit, so they should punish exploit the same way , if an exploit is permaban all exploit should be permaban, if an exploit is 3day ban all exploit should be 3day ban.

ToRelax · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

Ok, so maybe I am not informed enough on the topic. Is it clear players are using 3rd party programs for this? Because if so, I would decidedly vote for a permaban obviously.

dsalter · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

ToRelax wrote: »

Ok, so maybe I am not informed enough on the topic. Is it clear players are using 3rd party programs for this? Because if so, I would decidedly vote for a permaban obviously.

it's indeed a 3rd party program from what i'v learned with abit of research, i want no part of anyone abusing it either, we even kicked a guy from our dungeon vet group when we noticed he ran it. we ain't being apart of it.

ManwithBeard9 · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

InfaM wrote: »

Those who actually did the ressources exploit and earned millions of gold has been banned with a 3 day temp-ban , while this impacted economy it required a bigger ban.
If they fix ultimate exploit it will leave no impact on the game, so they should follow their logic and keep the 3 days ban.

I don't see ult exploit impacting more the game on the long than ressource exploit, so they should punish exploit the same way , if an exploit is permaban all exploit should be permaban, if an exploit is 3day ban all exploit should be 3day ban.

It's not an ult exploit, it's a game hack. People using 3rd party software to change info client side sent to the servers. It effects way more than just ults.

Tandor · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

No server rollbacks, the number of players committing any such exploits is likely to be very small in relation to the overall population, as is the number of players affected by them. There's simply no justification in setting back everyone's progress, but equally there's no justification in allowing such cheats to play the game again. Their characters should be deleted and their accounts closed. There does need to be an effective notification and appeal system to protect those falsely disciplined, just as the "no naming and shaming" forum policy need to be maintained and enforced to protect those falsely accused or simply unaware of the accusations made against them.

Alex_Lex · May 2016

Temp-Ban 1 month

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

So you exchanged gold for a crowns, which have to be bought with real world money. Yes that's gold selling and they were right to ban you.

I have russian version of Terms of use. So I'm not sure I'd quote correct phrase. Yet I thought that changing Ingame Currency to ingame Currency doesn't violate the following statement:
"You may not sell, and You may not assist others in selling, Service(s) or in-Game items for real currency, or exchange those items for value outside of the Services"

I changed ingame currency to in-Service items.
I was wrong in my way of thinking. I was punished and punished hard. And I had never any chance to appeal.
I even asked ZOS to take all I had, all crowns, items, leave my toons absolutely naked, I offered to buy all crowns again.
I had absolute ZERO response.

I am sure permaban would touch not each player who really deserved it. And some players who used exploit for curiosity and some limited time would be banned too.
3 months is enough.

Kas · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

if you're able to find out who used a third party cheat tool, PERMA BAN THEM!

however, solutions like "everyone who put a survey report in the bank at one point in time (no matter if exploiting or not) gets put together" will, ofc, lead to lousy abns... and even more players exploiting the next time

SahrotRein · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

They did what they did, knowing full well what is going to happen and what they can expect. There is no room for forgiveness or second chance as they have cheated on purpose.

Maybe, deleting all of their account's gear and belongings, gold and all the progress while banning their account after they get to see everything is now lost might make it even better.

Tandor · May 2016

Perma-Ban for everyone found to be using the Ult Hack

Alex_Lex wrote: »

And some players who used exploit for curiosity and some limited time would be banned too.

As they should be. Stop making excuses for those who cheat, no matter the reason for, or the duration of, their cheating.