Will the Dark Brotherhood update come with a free Skill Respec?

JustSnilloc · May 2016

With changes to a lot of the skills, I'm probably going to have to switch things up, will the update provide a free respec?

IV1IVJA · May 2016

Probably not. Thieve's Guild didn't have it and iirc, that had more skill changes than Dark Brotherhood does.

There are two reasons why they wouldn't:
- It takes a long time to reset every skill, so it would be inconvenient to those that don't want to change (as well as those that do but don't want to change a lot).
- It was included in the Imperial City DLC and many people complained about it then. So ZOS probably don't want that to happen again.

Tryxus · May 2016

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

Dubhliam · May 2016

No skill respec.
They said so, never again will you get a free respec.

However, I think we will get a free CP respec. At least on PTS all my CPs were reset.

Tryxus · May 2016

I just wish they could make the Shrine of Stendarr free for a while after the update

starkerealm · May 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

It's the altaholics that are complaining about this. The last forced respec confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them, leading to an uproar, and ZoS saying they wouldn't do that again.

NovaShadow · May 2016

Lazy people QQ'd so ZOS listened to the tiny minority and will never do them again.

I remember a thread that had a poll and most people wanted the respec.

JustanImage · May 2016

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Faulgor · May 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

JustanImage · May 2016

@Faulgor
Had to take a look, but yes, it's that cheap.
Currently it's 1g/skill point.

JustSnilloc · May 2016

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

That's not a bad alternative then, free is always better, but if they stay at 100-200 gold (for whatever period of time) like Faulgor said they were on the PTS, then that would be fine.

Tryxus · May 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

Yeah, but there were also those who didn't like to be forced to redo all of their chars, trying to remember every little detail or finding it too time consuming to do so

And ZOS listened to them, a minority

STEVIL · May 2016

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as @NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as @Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as @Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to @NovaShadow, @Stalkerealm and @Tryxus for their points though.

NovaShadow · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as @NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as @Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as @Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to @NovaShadow, @Stalkerealm and @Tryxus for their points though.

Go back and find those QQ threads and you'll see many people state, actually state, they're too lazy to re-do all their skills on all their characters.

For over a year the forced respecs were a thing, then the minority qq'd and they're gone. It was the way it was but ZOS always listens to the tiny minority.

They couldn't even give those that wanted a respec a free one at the shrine, a scroll or reduced respecs. It was tough luck, the minority rules. The backlash from the majority was everywhere, and those threads asking for it are still appearing almost weekly it seems.

Tryxus · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to NovaShadow, Stalkerealm and Tryxus for their points though.

Removed thhe @ for the sake of our notification counts

Also, you can experiment with a forced free respec too, ya know. Rebuild your chars the way you like and then pay gold if you don't like it. So experimentation isn't really a valid argument here.

The main issues here are:

- Respecs costs too much gold
- Should it be forced or not

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, the proper term is "altoholic" for ppl who have so many chars (I noticed I misspelled it)

WhiteCoatSyndrome · May 2016

I liked the free respecs, I could burn extra skill points leveling unused skills and then get them back after the respec, rinse and repeat, so if I came to a situation where I DID need that skill, it was already leveled without taking up points before then.

STEVIL · May 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to NovaShadow, Stalkerealm and Tryxus for their points though.

Removed thhe @ for the sake of our notification counts

Also, you can experiment with a forced free respec too, ya know. Rebuild your chars the way you like and then pay gold if you don't like it. So experimentation isn't really a valid argument here.

The main issues here are:

- Respecs costs too much gold
- Should it be forced or not

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, the proper term is "altoholic" for ppl who have so many chars (I noticed I misspelled it)

WTH?

Experimentation isn't a valid argument here?
because in the auto-respec you could redo all your skills blind, play a while, then pay full respec sosts to apply your learning and get a character redone with informed decisions?
As opposed to paying nothing, playing a bit, then respecing for vastly reduced price?

Not even a valid argument as far as you are concerned about the relative merits of the two options?

That says a lot right there, a whole lot.

Thanks for letting us see some of your reasoning.

Tryxus · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to NovaShadow, Stalkerealm and Tryxus for their points though.

Removed thhe @ for the sake of our notification counts

Also, you can experiment with a forced free respec too, ya know. Rebuild your chars the way you like and then pay gold if you don't like it. So experimentation isn't really a valid argument here.

The main issues here are:

- Respecs costs too much gold
- Should it be forced or not

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, the proper term is "altoholic" for ppl who have so many chars (I noticed I misspelled it)

WTH?

Experimentation isn't a valid argument here?
because in the auto-respec you could redo all your skills blind, play a while, then pay full respec sosts to apply your learning and get a character redone with informed decisions?
As opposed to paying nothing, playing a bit, then respecing for vastly reduced price?

Not even a valid argument as far as you are concerned about the relative merits of the two options?

That says a lot right there, a whole lot.

Thanks for letting us see some of your reasoning.

Forced Respec:

1. Redo all my skills and optionally change a few here to try it out
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

No Respec:

1. Play with the current skills, even if they have been overhauled (like Stam Morphs)
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

Outcome and costs are the same, so yeah. Not valid

But whatever the case, the costs of respecs should be reduced significantly after a major update. Cuz I don't wanna pay another 60k+ gold on my chars (and ppl with 8 chars def don't want that)

STEVIL · May 2016

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to NovaShadow, Stalkerealm and Tryxus for their points though.

Removed thhe @ for the sake of our notification counts

Also, you can experiment with a forced free respec too, ya know. Rebuild your chars the way you like and then pay gold if you don't like it. So experimentation isn't really a valid argument here.

The main issues here are:

- Respecs costs too much gold
- Should it be forced or not

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, the proper term is "altoholic" for ppl who have so many chars (I noticed I misspelled it)

WTH?

Experimentation isn't a valid argument here?
because in the auto-respec you could redo all your skills blind, play a while, then pay full respec sosts to apply your learning and get a character redone with informed decisions?
As opposed to paying nothing, playing a bit, then respecing for vastly reduced price?

Not even a valid argument as far as you are concerned about the relative merits of the two options?

That says a lot right there, a whole lot.

Thanks for letting us see some of your reasoning.

Forced Respec:

1. Redo all my skills and optionally change a few here to try it out
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

No Respec:

1. Play with the current skills, even if they have been overhauled (like Stam Morphs)
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

Outcome and costs are the same, so yeah. Not valid

But whatever the case, the costs of respecs should be reduced significantly after a major update. Cuz I don't wanna pay another 60k+ gold on my chars (and ppl with 8 chars def don't want that)

We will just have to agree to disagree. i much prefer the upcoming db model of no auto-respec and reduced shrine costs to the previous auto-respec and make blind choices they used for the last forced respec.

While we can disagree, with each other and even others, I still dont see the need to insult the folks who disagree with me on this or to liken them to people with serious diseases.

but, hey, that's me.

YMMV.

hope your post-patch respec experience goes well for you and insult free.

Tryxus · May 2016

STEVIL wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

STEVIL wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Tryxus wrote: »

It won't, cuz altholic ppl complained about being forced to respec all 8 of their chars

As an "altaholic", the respec costs after every update are killing me. Free respecs after such drastic changes seem like a no-brainer to me.

JustanImage wrote: »

In the german forum it has been said, that there will be a cost reduction for respeccing for a short period of time.
Can't find an english version though, but here's the proof:

ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »

Es wird mit Update 10 keinen erzwungenen Reset der Fähigkeiten geben. Stattdessen werden die Respec-Kosten für einen kurzen Zeitraum nach dem Livepatch sehr gesenkt.

Yeah, the current prices on PTS are really low. between 100-200 gold for a skill respec I think?

Which, as one of those (((insert insult of choice from the above posts))) who posted AGAINST an auto-respec last time it happened, is what should be happening. This way, those who dont take preparations can still login, review their current characters and then respec them at their own leisure.

More to the point, speaking as only a lazy whiner of course just look above, I will be able to take the current character even with changed morphs in some case, out for a spin. i can see how severely the new costs hit my damage build and its ability to sustain, how tough the new purage and shield changes impact my play etc. THEN after an hour or so of play, maybe more, maybe less i can do a more educated and informed respec.

But again, there aren't really any real thoughtful reasons for not having the previous auto-respec repeated so it must be people being "lazy" as NovaShadow said above or "confused people who thought they had optimal builds but didn't understand the mechanics behind them" as Stalkerealm said above or being an "altholic" as Tyrxus said above.

personally tho, apparently as a lazy, confused altholic, I love the idea of having a chance to try out the many changes before the one "auto-immediate-respec" that happened like it did a while back. having actual play-at-hand experience with the new system and even having opportunities to maybe do multiple cheap respecs over say a week of play... hey, makes me glad i did cry out so much as a lazy confused, altholic and that they stopped the auto-at-login-reset.

Thanks to NovaShadow, Stalkerealm and Tryxus for their points though.

Removed thhe @ for the sake of our notification counts

Also, you can experiment with a forced free respec too, ya know. Rebuild your chars the way you like and then pay gold if you don't like it. So experimentation isn't really a valid argument here.

The main issues here are:

- Respecs costs too much gold
- Should it be forced or not

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, the proper term is "altoholic" for ppl who have so many chars (I noticed I misspelled it)

WTH?

Experimentation isn't a valid argument here?
because in the auto-respec you could redo all your skills blind, play a while, then pay full respec sosts to apply your learning and get a character redone with informed decisions?
As opposed to paying nothing, playing a bit, then respecing for vastly reduced price?

Not even a valid argument as far as you are concerned about the relative merits of the two options?

That says a lot right there, a whole lot.

Thanks for letting us see some of your reasoning.

Forced Respec:

1. Redo all my skills and optionally change a few here to try it out
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

No Respec:

1. Play with the current skills, even if they have been overhauled (like Stam Morphs)
2. Experiment
3. Don't like it: pay for respec and grab the other morphs

Outcome and costs are the same, so yeah. Not valid

But whatever the case, the costs of respecs should be reduced significantly after a major update. Cuz I don't wanna pay another 60k+ gold on my chars (and ppl with 8 chars def don't want that)

We will just have to agree to disagree. i much prefer the upcoming db model of no auto-respec and reduced shrine costs to the previous auto-respec and make blind choices they used for the last forced respec.

While we can disagree, with each other and even others, I still dont see the need to insult the folks who disagree with me on this or to liken them to people with serious diseases.

but, hey, that's me.

YMMV.

hope your post-patch respec experience goes well for you and insult free.

Did you even read what I wrote? I'm in favor of the coming no forced respec and reduced cost too:

Tryxus wrote: »

Personally, I don't want to be forced to change my 4 chars 4 times every year with the big updates, but I also don't wanna spend 60k+ on them. If what Faulgor says is true, that there's a discount at the Shrine of Stendarr, then that's exactly what should happen

Also, it's not an insult:

Altoholic on Urban Dictionary

IOUAT · May 2016

the tiny minority always wins with every game no matter what game it is because the minority always has the loudest voice for some reason