Crafting Improvement Proposal: Should Top Gear be Available via Crafting? (Read before Response)

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

In many games where Crafting really takes off, I have found that it does so because it is actually needed/used. Where crafting really falters is where all of the best gear comes from direct drops in a Raid. What I am proposing is that Crafters should be able to acquire resources dropped from these Trials/Raids/Missions which can be then converted into these top tier sets. The activities in question would not get circumvented, but this would allow Crafters to do 2 things. First it would make their experience more meaningful (and I would hope Jewelry crafting would be part of this). Secondly, it would allow people to acquire top end gear with the traits/qualities they want rather than what the RNG drops them. Finally, it would allow people to raid to sell something valuable in the marketplace that is of a more transferable nature. Resources like Rubedite for instance would still require a ludicrous amount of resources/farming so again this is not a gimme. What this would allow is for a more robust and interesting marketplace, and for players to specialize in interesting ways. (Yes I'm a former SWG player, which is why this interests me. I was not a crafter either, but I saw the beauty of the interconnectedness of different kinds of player in that game. That's what makes the massively part of the game interesting, bringing people together).

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · May 2016

Yes

Honestly I did not read it. Top gear should be available to craft as well as earn.

Lenikus · May 2016

No

You have a total of 12/14 item slots.
sets range in from 2, 3 and 5 pieces.

We have enough possible combinations to have a 'adequate' crafted and droped ratio in most builds. we don't need to make things more complicated

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Yes

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

I know, and my favorite quote was when the Porsche Cayenne was referred to as having the beauty of a camel with gingivitis.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Yes

Lenikus wrote: »

You have a total of 12/14 item slots.
sets range in from 2, 3 and 5 pieces.

We have enough possible combinations to have a 'adequate' crafted and droped ratio in most builds. we don't need to make things more complicated

Where is the complication? I'm simply offering a way to make Crafting more meaningful without it harming the value of dropped gear. The End-User certainly has no reason to care either way.

greylox · May 2016

Other: Explanation

I went other because the only thing that is random seems to be the traits needed for certain sets and I'd like armour style morphing but I wouldn't want crafted trial sets. But yes overall, crafting and researching takes time and it should be rewarded a touch more. I honestly think crafting in this game is 99% perfect in its execution.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

I know, and my favorite quote was when the Porsche Cayenne was referred to as having the beauty of a camel with gingivitis.

I loved the show, but I won't be watching any new episodes due to the sacking of Jeremy Clarkson and the subsequent non-renewal of Hammond and May. Terrible loss for the show imo

Silver_Strider · May 2016

Other: Explanation

The problem with ESO is that, 90% of crafted gear is downright better than dropped gear.

Sets like Lunar Bastion, which is supposed to be an end game tank set, is utterly outclassed by something like Hist Bark, an easily craftable set.

While I don't want to limit what crafters are capable off, dropped sets need a boost for them to be end game viable. There are only a handful of useful sets at endgame and the majority of them are crafted. Hunding's Rage, NMG, Julianos, TBS; all craftable and viable end game options. What about the dropped sets that are endgame viable? SPC and Scathing Mage are the only 2 that come to mind that are truly worth the effort to farm.

I don't mind crafters getting more options in regards to what they can craft but I'd prefer if dropped sets got a substantial buff 1st.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Yes

Silver_Strider wrote: »

The problem with ESO is that, 90% of crafted gear is downright better than dropped gear.

Sets like Lunar Bastion, which is supposed to be an end game tank set, is utterly outclassed by something like Hist Bark, an easily craftable set.

While I don't want to limit what crafters are capable off, dropped sets need a boost for them to be end game viable. There are only a handful of useful sets at endgame and the majority of them are crafted. Hunding's Rage, NMG, Julianos, TBS; all craftable and viable end game options. What about the dropped sets that are endgame viable? SPC and Scathing Mage are the only 2 that come to mind that are truly worth the effort to farm.

I don't mind crafters getting more options in regards to what they can craft but I'd prefer if dropped sets got a substantial buff 1st.

What I'm suggesting is more of a both/either scenario. There are other really good sets for given purposes that drop, and jewelry sets only come from drops. Usually what I see people doing is a mixture of crafted and dropped sets. This is nice and I get what you are saying, but my suggestion could actually create a means to make those drop sets more meaningful and crafting more meaningful. Suppose for a moment that a master crafter (or someone else) gets an engine guardian helm. What I'm suggesting is that some core element of that helm, lets call it 'dwemer animunculi controller' can be extracted, or said controller could simply occur as a drop as well. The item itself could then be sold, or if ZoS wants to be stingy, the crafter would have to craft something with that controller before selling, and thereby making a new shoulder/helm piece with the desired traits/styles of the crafter. The point here is I am trying to find a means to make crafting more valuable without removing the value of what is obtained by doing Trials, Raids, Dungeons and so forth. SWG had mechanics like this in the game, and anyone who played a bounty hunter knew the importance of mandalorian armor, for instance. You had to obtain the materials, and help get your crafter on site so that he could then make the piece of gear you wanted. This was a thing of beauty, because it brought different kinds of players together. This is the kind of interconnectedness that I'm trying to promote with this idea here.

k9mouse · May 2016

Yes

Crafting is a good way for players to interact with each other. More interaction equals more friendships being made. For a MMO to live, it needs to be based on players and their interaction in the world.

dimensional · May 2016

Yes

100% yes they should be available from crafting.

ChrispyRambo · May 2016

Yes

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

And one of my favorite SNES games!

daemonios · May 2016

Yes

Lenikus wrote: »

You have a total of 12/14 item slots.
sets range in from 2, 3 and 5 pieces.

We have enough possible combinations to have a 'adequate' crafted and droped ratio in most builds. we don't need to make things more complicated

Unfortunately many dropped sets don't include weapons or jewellery, the latter can't be crafted, monster sets only come in 2 possible gear slots. This greatly reduces possible combinations.

I do think you should be able to craft BiS gear, possibly using drops from end-game content.

Rune_Relic · May 2016

Other: Explanation

I am with you in spirit but not the execution.

I would prefer armor-set motifs dropped at specific areas/content.
Those armour motifs can then be used to crafts any gear set in game.
eg Kena and such.
This instantly fixes ALL of the trait and RNG issues.
Hell have a set specific crafting station at each gear-set location if you like.

If ZOS is worried about the maket swarming with kena sets and such (which wouldnt be a problem AT ALL if the game was horizontally balanced),
Then they can make the armour-set motif locked to player.
So that any item created by the motif can only be worn by said player.
Crafted for player x..rather than crafted by player y
Signature gear basically.

The player earnt the motif.
The crafter made the gear using the motif.
Everybody wins.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

No

Crafted gear used to be the top of the line equipment you could get, problem arises is that people stop doing the group content as they can craft better items than that can drop. There needs to be a balance between the sources, making the absolute best gear should be as a drop to keep players running the group content, it also needs to be random in order to maintain the longevity of that content. MMO's have learned this lesson before, if you give players what they want when they want it then your content falls into a drought faster. Once players have what they're after, a good portion of them stop running the content only a few remain to help others or for the challenge after they received everything they want out of it.

idk · May 2016

No

Granted, would expect the small numbers of players who would answer this poll would favor the best gear bent craftable but logic will Overcome the small number of responses this poll will receive.

ESO already has a good balance between great sets tha are craftable and great sets that are not. This balance should remain. Laziness should not become the standard.

LyonsLight · May 2016

Yes

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Crafted gear used to be the top of the line equipment you could get, problem arises is that people stop doing the group content as they can craft better items than that can drop. There needs to be a balance between the sources, making the absolute best gear should be as a drop to keep players running the group content, it also needs to be random in order to maintain the longevity of that content. MMO's have learned this lesson before, if you give players what they want when they want it then your content falls into a drought faster. Once players have what they're after, a good portion of them stop running the content only a few remain to help others or for the challenge after they received everything they want out of it.

I think you skipped the part where you read the post. He clearly stated that in this scenario you would have to do high level end game content for the materials to make these BIS equipments.

Ra'Shtar · May 2016

Other: Explanation

What is the point of trials if the rewards you get for this huge time sink are lame and not as good as something you spend 10 mins making.

llSRRll · May 2016

Yes

I like the Idea, maybe incorporate Cadwells silver and gold into it. Instead of having the same set gear for those Vet area carftable forges make them the dropable sets. There are plenty of them to fill up the 30 forges that lie in those 15 areas. They can all be 9 traits so not just anyone can make them.

phaneub17_ESO · May 2016

No

LyonsLight wrote: »

phaneub17_ESO wrote: »

Crafted gear used to be the top of the line equipment you could get, problem arises is that people stop doing the group content as they can craft better items than that can drop. There needs to be a balance between the sources, making the absolute best gear should be as a drop to keep players running the group content, it also needs to be random in order to maintain the longevity of that content. MMO's have learned this lesson before, if you give players what they want when they want it then your content falls into a drought faster. Once players have what they're after, a good portion of them stop running the content only a few remain to help others or for the challenge after they received everything they want out of it.

I think you skipped the part where you read the post. He clearly stated that in this scenario you would have to do high level end game content for the materials to make these BIS equipments.

No. my answer still remains unchanged. I rather the very best equipment come from random drops completing the hardest content. Crafting material on the other hand should be available for everyone not locked behind content.

radiostar · May 2016

Yes

Without jewelcrafting, player made/upgraded gear will remain second tier. Apparently that is by Z's design.

Eiagra · May 2016

Yes

An interesting proposal. It'll irritate some crafters (if they don't do those dungeons), and maybe irritate some dungeon-runners (if they don't craft), but at least it creates some kind of dynamic where you don't have to endlessly pray to RNGesus.

As nice as it would be to be able to have some control over "best in slot" gear for particular builds, though, I honestly prefer to stick with "good enough in slot." I just don't have the time or energy for endless grinding games.

Epona222 · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

I know, and my favorite quote was when the Porsche Cayenne was referred to as having the beauty of a camel with gingivitis.

I loved the show, but I won't be watching any new episodes due to the sacking of Jeremy Clarkson and the subsequent non-renewal of Hammond and May. Terrible loss for the show imo

LOL although this is off topic, you do understand that Clarkson was sacked because he punched a TV show producer in the face? That sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable.

NewBlacksmurf · May 2016

Yes

I think there should be drops that make crafting better other than motif.

For some time motif have been the "end-game" crafting currency and materials but nothing that stands out.

While I don't have specific thought out ideas, I'd welcome crafting things so I think of things like the exp potion full recipe

AmberLaTerra · May 2016

Yes

I would love this as a crafter, making it so I could make sets that could be used well at end game without breaking the drop rates and flooding the market on them would be great.

Myself also being a former SWG player and remembering how reverse engineering worked to modify drops into the aspects you needed and at times even make them much more powerful in that game was such a fun aspect of crafting. I however was a crafter there as well and one of the best known for starship parts on my server because I put a ton of effort into being a very good crafter.

It would be nice to be rewarded here for putting the work into crafting as well with the ability to make things that can match top of the line drops and make crafting a lot more rewarding and enjoyable, as well as allow more diversity in play styles.

Farorin · May 2016

Yes

This would actually be a good alternate method of acquiring sets instead of the foten mentioned Token system. So like RNG still exists, but we also get tokens/crafting materials to make certain sets from the dungeons/chests/etc so that by grinding and building up our stock we can make our own of that set. That would be cool.

dodgehopper_ESO · May 2016

Yes

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

I would love this as a crafter, making it so I could make sets that could be used well at end game without breaking the drop rates and flooding the market on them would be great.

Myself also being a former SWG player and remembering how reverse engineering worked to modify drops into the aspects you needed and at times even make them much more powerful in that game was such a fun aspect of crafting. I however was a crafter there as well and one of the best known for starship parts on my server because I put a ton of effort into being a very good crafter.

It would be nice to be rewarded here for putting the work into crafting as well with the ability to make things that can match top of the line drops and make crafting a lot more rewarding and enjoyable, as well as allow more diversity in play styles.

The one other area where crafting in that game was amazing was in resource gathering. I've never seen anything else like it, where the materials all have various traits and can be valuable for different reasons. It could be possible in this game but it would take such a serious overhaul of the game I don't see it being worth it. (You'd have farmers, miners, etc instead of machinery and factories, but its the same idea - again I don't see that happening in this game).

Dubhliam · May 2016

No

Crafting in this game is as good as it gets.
THE BEST armor is craftable (Julianos and Hunding).
Also, crafting lets you pick and choose any combination of trait/weight.

Some things just need to be left alone - meaning some sets people should have to work for.
Otherwise you'll have a game where EVERYBODY wins, but nobody plays the game.

Tavore1138 · May 2016

Other: Explanation

I've always wished there was a way to create custom, sets through crafting - not the special sets dropped by dungeons but basically you get to choose the 2, 3 and 4 piece bonuses from the available pool of standard bonuses and get to apply a 5 set bonus from an selection of suitably powerful but not OP effects.

So you could create a set that focused on what you wanted not be limited to waiting for ZOS to drop that particular selection of traits in that specific ordering.

I suspect it just wouldn't work in ESO and would be almost impossible to implement but a man can dream...

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Epona222 wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

dodgehopper_ESO wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Top Gear is an automotive enthusiast television show.

I know, and my favorite quote was when the Porsche Cayenne was referred to as having the beauty of a camel with gingivitis.

I loved the show, but I won't be watching any new episodes due to the sacking of Jeremy Clarkson and the subsequent non-renewal of Hammond and May. Terrible loss for the show imo

LOL although this is off topic, you do understand that Clarkson was sacked because he punched a TV show producer in the face? That sort of behaviour is completely unacceptable.

Yes I know. Just won't be watching the show any longer. Not to big on the new cast.

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