Question about Infinite crafting bags

Elektrakosh · March 2016

1000 crowns for ten spaces in bag or bank is too steep for me. Ten spaces are easily filled by materials, armour etc. I can only afford to play base game as money is very tight.

I'd like to earn my crafting bag not just buy it. Can that be implemented?

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

When I heard about the crafting bags, I was seriously interest for 1 second until I heard ESO Plus. Next topic.

SlayerTheDragon · March 2016

It should be sold like any account quality of life - like Play any Race, Imperial Race, Assistants. A once off purchase and everyone will be happier, but to purchase it every month....

rootimus · March 2016

magnusthorek wrote: »

Good to see that, at least indirectly, I'm not the only one thinking that restricting crafting bags for ESO Plus subscribers is one step towards the pay-to-win

No matter how many people agree with you, the fact remains that the subscription model is the antithesis of pay to win.

Ni7eWa7ch · March 2016

OP mentioned :" I'd like to earn my crafting bag not just buy it. Can that be implemented?"
so he wasn't talking about the option to buy it with crowns or ESO plus .
I agree that if they made it as a reward by finishing a questline for example or as lootable item dropped by bosses is not a bad idea

Wanderinlost · March 2016

Such *** that they are making this sub only. Ever since this game has come out the damn inventory/loot has been an extraordinary hinderance to play, to such an extent I usually get frustrated and stop playing. 200 inv gets filled after a dungeon or two, bank is overflowing. They have been hinting at crafting bags and changes to VR for a long time so waited. I like playing a few days a month, so a long term sub does not make sense. Buying crowns/dlc does. Then they put the one damn thing I actually needed since this game came out behind a sub. I had high hopes for this game but think it may be time to cut my losses.

GeneralLee · March 2016

To all the subbers who feel superior (i "earn" these bags more than non subbers) you all think subbers contribute more to eso than others because of your subscription ... Well you all seem to forget about one other category of players aka. "whales". I havent subscribed since the switch to the b2p model, but i have spent more than 300 euro (thats equals to around 400dollars i think) on this game in one year time. Thats about twice the amount a subber would spend per year. So why shouldnt I, and any other b2p player, be allowed to perma unlock the bags for a price? We contribute to eso aswell + it would still be an added incentive for subbers to remain subbed if you get the bags for free as long as you remain subbed.

Aaru · May 2016

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

I think that unlimited crafting bags for subscribers only is a great way to go. I am happy to pay a subscription for that, since I don't lose any mats if I unsubscribe

Volkodav · May 2016

GeneralLee wrote: »

To all the subbers who feel superior (i "earn" these bags more than non subbers) you all think subbers contribute more to eso than others because of your subscription ... Well you all seem to forget about one other category of players aka. "whales". I havent subscribed since the switch to the b2p model, but i have spent more than 300 euro (thats equals to around 400dollars i think) on this game in one year time. Thats about twice the amount a subber would spend per year. So why shouldnt I, and any other b2p player, be allowed to perma unlock the bags for a price? We contribute to eso aswell + it would still be an added incentive for subbers to remain subbed if you get the bags for free as long as you remain subbed.

And what price would you suggest they let you buy it for?

Ashtaris · May 2016

GeneralLee wrote: »

To all the subbers who feel superior (i "earn" these bags more than non subbers) you all think subbers contribute more to eso than others because of your subscription ... Well you all seem to forget about one other category of players aka. "whales". I havent subscribed since the switch to the b2p model, but i have spent more than 300 euro (thats equals to around 400dollars i think) on this game in one year time. Thats about twice the amount a subber would spend per year. So why shouldnt I, and any other b2p player, be allowed to perma unlock the bags for a price? We contribute to eso aswell + it would still be an added incentive for subbers to remain subbed if you get the bags for free as long as you remain subbed.

And you think subscribers don't buy crowns? That's a laugh. I'll be happy to compare invoices with you someday if you so desire

Gidorick · May 2016

Wanderinlost wrote: »

Such *** that they are making this sub only. Ever since this game has come out the damn inventory/loot has been an extraordinary hinderance to play, to such an extent I usually get frustrated and stop playing. 200 inv gets filled after a dungeon or two, bank is overflowing. They have been hinting at crafting bags and changes to VR for a long time so waited. I like playing a few days a month, so a long term sub does not make sense. Buying crowns/dlc does. Then they put the one damn thing I actually needed since this game came out behind a sub. I had high hopes for this game but think it may be time to cut my losses.

@Wanderinlost , you pretty much summarize my feelings too.

I loved the sub... they stopped the sub so I unsubscribed because the subscription benefits weren't enticing enough... I even suggested a list of things they could ADD to the subscription prior to ESO ever going B2P...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/150450/eso-subscription-benefits-suggestions/p1

I also had a suggestion about a way to add more inventory bags to ESO that included infinite crafting bags...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/162693/more-bags-and-encumbrance-concepts/p1

THEN I suggested a way to add Crafting Bags to ESO+ that would allow players the ability to keep them if they unsubscribe...

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/212349/an-idea-for-how-crafting-bags-could-be-implemented-for-eso-members/p1

but no... ZOS is addressing inventory issues by making it so that if you want a more efficient inventory you need to be a subscriber.

It's not pay to win but it certainly seems unethical.

Runs · May 2016

I'm surprised with the "*** everybody else" attitude a lot of the people here have.

I am a subscriber, I will get the crafting bags either way...

But EVERYBODY needs better inventory management, not just us subs. Yeah, I know you can use mules to hold stuff. That is not a solution, that is a work around and not a very good one. I don't suggest everybody have access to crafting bags. Although I wouldn't mind seeing them in the crown store or even a mini crafting bag in the crown store(1k stacks instead of the unlimited stacks some items have now).

I would suggest upping the bank space to around 400 total, this PALES in comparison to the amount crafting bags hold, but would still give some relief to non subscribers.

AmberLaTerra · May 2016

I will start by saying I am ESO+. However my opinion on this would be the same if I was not.

I have played a ton of games over the years, the simple fact is all games need subscriptions to keep up server costs, pay their employees and pay for the development of updates. One off purchases like someone buying a DLC help but it is subs that make them financially viable. To get subs there has to be perks to having a sub. As long as those perks are not P2W I am fine with them and crafting bags are not P2W.

The sad thing is in ever single game I have ever played that has a free player base this comes up. The free players all want the full benefits that a sub play gets without paying for the sub. That is something that will never happen because then there is no reason at all for anyone to have a sub which will lead to no one having them. No subs would mean the game going broke and closing down.

For the good of the game as a whole just accept Craft Bags are a perk for having a sub and supporting the game and stop trying to find ways to get them made available for free players.

You want more storage, they are adding the ability to buy additional character slots in the crown store. Buy a couple and make more mules. Problem solved.

rootimus · May 2016

Volkodav wrote: »

GeneralLee wrote: »

To all the subbers who feel superior (i "earn" these bags more than non subbers) you all think subbers contribute more to eso than others because of your subscription ... Well you all seem to forget about one other category of players aka. "whales". I havent subscribed since the switch to the b2p model, but i have spent more than 300 euro (thats equals to around 400dollars i think) on this game in one year time. Thats about twice the amount a subber would spend per year. So why shouldnt I, and any other b2p player, be allowed to perma unlock the bags for a price? We contribute to eso aswell + it would still be an added incentive for subbers to remain subbed if you get the bags for free as long as you remain subbed.

And what price would you suggest they let you buy it for?

I'd like to know the answer to that one, too. I don't know how people are supposedly "earning" the bags (GeneralLee's word), but all I did was fork over my credit card details when I re-subscribed and got the bag as part of the deal.

I don't buy any fluff from the crown store, so the 1,500 crowns I get each month will only get used for buying the expansions in case I decide to un-subscribe. The rest will accumulate and if Zenimax decide to put the crafting bag up in the store I'll simply cancel my subscription and purchase it with the crowns I've saved. What price point did you have in mind for the store?

Ashtaris wrote: »

And you think subscribers don't buy crowns? That's a laugh. I'll be happy to compare invoices with you someday if you so desire

It's true, Ash pretty much buys all the things.

Woeler · May 2016

DjSolJAH wrote: »

Lame you have to have ESO plus for crafting bags? I was looking forward to those... Not so much now

Yea, damn paying for getting stuff! I want it all for free!

magnusthorek · May 2016

Runs wrote: »

1k stacks instead of the unlimited stacks some items have now

1k is a bit too little considering that a moderately active crafter / compulsive hoarder would have at least 1600 just for armors (2 stacks of 200 of latest metals, wood and fibers).

But considering this a suggestion coming from a subscriber, I congratulate you for being open minded and not selfish like many. I'd be happy with... let's say, a mini bag for 5k materials.

And look Zeni, a business opportunity. Make mini-bags be upgradable with crowns!

Taisynn · May 2016

Sigh. Here we go again with repeat threads.

Taisynn wrote: »

I have rehashed this so many times.

When you outright buy the DLC, your perk is your forever access to it. You get it as long as the game lasts. Your investment can never be taken from you should you stop paying into the game.

Subscribers pay MORE overtime for access to these DLCs, and the moment we stop paying POOF no more access. That investment disappears along with the money we put into it.

Subscribers need a better perk than just three days off our research time, 10% exp bonus, and some gold incentive. These are practically nothing. So we get ONE nice thing for making sure the game has steady revenue every month. Without us this game would cease to exist.

So, stop with the "it's not fair," rhetoric. You want the crafting bag, pay the $15 a month.

And the crowns we get everymonth? Hardly enough to get anything nice. And we're paying more for them on average.

And this whole "privacy" argument about not wanting to use a credit card - go to your local game store, gas station, etc. and go buy an ESO plus card. That's what my boyfriend and I do.

I buy my sub AND buy crowns for the vanity items. Don't argue we don't do the same just because we sub.

Acrolas · May 2016

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

it is subs that make them financially viable.

And I'm sure you have a corroborated source saying that ZOS is dependent upon subscriptions to stay in business and that 100% of subscription revenue is going to, quote, "keep up server costs, pay their employees and pay for the development of updates"

Cite it please.

Otherwise you're speculating.

AmberLaTerra · May 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

AmberLaTerra wrote: »

it is subs that make them financially viable.

And I'm sure you have a corroborated source saying that ZOS is dependent upon subscriptions to stay in business and that 100% of subscription revenue is going to, quote, "keep up server costs, pay their employees and pay for the development of updates"

Cite it please.

Otherwise you're speculating.

ZOS as a whole likely not, however should any single game ZOS has on the market start making less then it costs they would shut it down. That is simple business practices. If something is in the red you do away with it.

ZOS is a company in business to make money not to lose money giving things away. It does not take a genius to realize that any business is run by the cold hard logic of the bottom line. Nor does it need numbers cited to know that, it is a simple fact of life.

agustinteresanrb19_ESO · May 2016

Sparda10 wrote: »

I just read an article related to these bags

http://esoacademy.com/news/infinite-crafting-space-bags/

my question is: what happens if once they are available I subscribe to ESO PLUS and move all my crafting stuff to those infinite bags, then I fill my inventory again with other stuffs, but then after a while I decide I dont wanna pay a monthly fee any longer? what will happen to those crafting mats?

Answer:
After your subscription expires: you will be able to access the materials in the bag but will not be able to add additional items in it, nor stack mats anymore.