There are two methods to pay for this game.

If you subscribe you should get the bag for free as part of the subscription perk.

If you one time perma purchased any the dlc you should be able to do so with the bag.

I don't understand subscribers saying people shouldn't be able to one time purchase bags. By that logic you shouldn't be able to one time purchase dlc.

This one cannot see even slightly how crafting bags can be seen as pay to win.

Much less so in fact than riding skills and crown xp pots.

Khajiit does not believe that a crafting bag increases your strength or makes you do more damage, makes your fur shine brighter or your tail immune to damage from saddles.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Masstershake wrote: »

There are two methods to pay for this game.

If you subscribe you should get the bag for free as part of the subscription perk.

If you one time perma purchased any the dlc you should be able to do so with the bag.

I don't understand subscribers saying people shouldn't be able to one time purchase bags. By that logic you shouldn't be able to one time purchase dlc.

Exactly

Sparda10 wrote: »

Volkodav wrote: »

Sparda10 wrote: »

Preyfar wrote: »

I don't see an issue with them being tied to subscriptions. ZOS has needed to incentivize subscriptions beyond the 10% bonuses and the free DLC. I think this is really the right kind of thing to make that subscription worthwhile.

Sounds fair at first, but what about the people that already purchased the DLC packages to avoid having to pay a subscription? If they arent going to release the bags without a subscription a "crowns refund" program should be tied to this.

Why a refund? I dont get it.
The bags arent connected to any DLCs. They are just added for plus members.No refund should be available.

because whats the point of adding one time DLC packages if they are going to release subscription exclusives when this susbcription already includes the DLC I paid for in order to avoid paying a monthly fee?

There have been subscription exclusives since day 1 of the optional sub model. Sub exclusives have been a +10% bonus on XP earned, gold earned, trait research time, and crafting inspiration earned. So you've always known that buying the DLC outright wasn't going to get you everything that you get with a sub - you can't turn around and say that somehow it's now unfair to have sub exclusives just because they're going to change exactly what those exclusives are.

If a subscriber gets the bag for free that is a perk for subscribing.

Why are subscribers saying u shouldn't also have an option to pay to perma unlock this bag? That seems selfish.

I dont care if subscribers get the bag for free. I just dont see why i shouldn't have the option to pay to perma unlock it. Because subscribers want to point and laugh at non subscribers for not having the option?

Sure subscribers get bonus to xp and faster traits. But non subscribers can still research and gain xp. That option isn't taken away because i 1time purchased all the dlc

Masstershake wrote: »

If a subscriber gets the bag for free that is a perk for subscribing.

Why are subscribers saying u shouldn't also have an option to pay to perma unlock this bag? That seems selfish.

I dont care if subscribers get the bag for free. I just dont see why i shouldn't have the option to pay to perma unlock it. Because subscribers want to point and laugh at non subscribers for not having the option?

Sure subscribers get bonus to xp and faster traits. But non subscribers can still research and gain xp. That option isn't taken away because i 1time purchased all the dlc

Could we also call non-subscribers free loaders? Yes we could but we don't. Crafting bags are meant to be for us loyal paying customers who support the game on a monthly basis. Yes just buying the DLC is supporting the game as well but not as much as subscribing. I have been subscribing since launch and have never even thought about cancelling. I think I deserve crafting bags more than someone who just bought the game and does not plan on subscribing.

Will I be mad if they allow non-subscribers to purchase bags in the crown store? No but if they make crafting bags available in the crown store it should be limited time or limited space or something because in order for subscribers to keep the infinite bags they need to stay subscribed. It wouldn't be very fair if and kind of pointless to even make crafting bags a ESO plus bonus if you can make a one time purchase of them. Just don't say it is selfish that subscribers get bonus perks for subscribing because we deserve them.

It's not P2W either. I know you did not say it but others have and if they can give me a good argument that makes sense on how having space for putting crafting supplies makes me better than them and have an advantage over them then buy all means go right ahead.

My last idea for non-subs to get crafting bags could be that they make an initial crown store purchase of the bag and it has a certain amount of slots. Then every time they buy a new DLC the bag increases and adds more slots. That way non-subs who still support the game by buying the DLC can still get something out of it.

Masstershake wrote: »

I by no means am saying its selfish that subscribers get perks. Im saying people that say only subscribers should be allowed the bags is selfish. Sure subscribers should get the bag for free. But non subscribers should have a way to pay for that item.

Subscribers need better rewards i agree with But the rewards should be bonuses. Like faster trait or more xp. Or crowns every month. Things people that dont pay monthly can still do but at a slower rate.

To the guy saying buy a sub or shut up its not that easy. I am on a very fixed budget with 3 kids a mortgage and a business. Sure my company has better months than others and i can splurge those months and get crowns.

I agree non-subs should be able to have crafting bags. I don't agree with them having infinite slots like subs which is why like the idea non-subs can buy an initial bag with lets say 60 slots for mats and every time they buy a new DLC that number of slots increases buy lets say 10-20 or something reasonable like that. So someone who has purchased all the DLC to this point would have a bag will have at least 90 slots. I would say that is reasonable since the non-subs still support the game by buying the DLC. If they decide to sub then they get access to infinite slots. If they cancel they are back down to the 90. If they have over 90 slots filled they cannot add to the bags but they can withdraw from them so their mats are not held hostage. This way everyone has access to the bags but subs have the best bags as a ESO plus perk.

RDMyers65b14_ESO wrote: »

Most players are subscribed according to a recent poll here on the forums. We need more benefits for being subscribed. These bags are a step in the right direction. If you want the benefits, then shell out the $15 a month. It's not that much. It is less than $0.50 a day. You can't even buy coffee for that price.

Well, really cheap coffee. Still.

Masstershake wrote: »

I by no means am saying its selfish that subscribers get perks. Im saying people that say only subscribers should be allowed the bags is selfish. Sure subscribers should get the bag for free. But non subscribers should have a way to pay for that item.

Subscribers need better rewards i agree with But the rewards should be bonuses. Like faster trait or more xp. Or crowns every month. Things people that dont pay monthly can still do but at a slower rate.

To the guy saying buy a sub or shut up its not that easy. I am on a very fixed budget with 3 kids a mortgage and a business. Sure my company has better months than others and i can splurge those months and get crowns.

1) ESO+ members aren't getting anything for "free" we are paying 15 bucks a month to basically rent them.

2) All you did was re arrange the wording there and are STILL calling subbers selfish.

3) Infinite bags = a BONUS for being ESO +.

4) And it's not as if ESO is suddenly going to decrease your inventory by 100 slots. Just like all of the other perks, it will just make inventory for ESO_ members more efficient, you will STILL be able to use your inventories just like we all are now.

What I don't get is why non-subbers somehow think they are entitled to be able to buy them (even a limited version). You want this perk you sub, otherwise it will cheapen the perk for actual loyal paying subs. They WANT to give people an incentive to sub not DE-incentivize it. This is meant to be a carrot.....you want that carrot and continue eating it, you sub.

IF they make some sort of crown store equivalent the cost is obvious. It would be the same per slot as the cost of bag space in the crown store now. They are NOT going to incentiveize you to stop buying their OTHER crown store storage upgrades (bag, bank, mount).

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

UrQuan wrote: »

myrrrorb14_ESO wrote: »

I assume they will lock the bags. You will no longer be able to add anything from them or use them while still they are still in it. You will be able to withdraw from it and deposit it into your inventory or bank account. They have not said this, but that is how I've seen it in a different game.

Doubtful that they'll work that way. It's more likely that they'll work in exactly the same way guild banks work. A simple check to see if your guild has 10 members becomes a simple check to see if you have the ESO+ buff. If you do, you can fully access your crafting bags. If you don't, but your crafting bag was previously activated, then you can withdraw anything that's already in there, but nothing new can go in it.

.... that is exactly what I said...

Except that you said you wouldn't be able to use anything from them - my assumption (and again, it's my assumption but I think it's likely) is that the only restriction placed on them will be that you can't put anything new in them. Of course, looking back at what I posted I now realize that I was super unclear about the specific part of what you said that I was actually disagreeing with - reading it again it does look like I'm describing exactly the same thing that you did doesn't it? My bad.

Hmm,

Imo getting bonus EXP, access to DLC, crafting bonus etc etc are immaterial. I can get what you have without subscribing by just playing. Ie U farm 1 hour and id need to farm 1hr x 1.1 = 1.1hrs to get what you did as a subscriber. You can enter DLCs without buying since you pay for subscription, I pay and unlock DLCs. So everything that you have access to as a subscriber, I can access via paying one time fees or by just playing a little longer. (or by using pots/crown scrolls).This is beautifully balanced out. Subscriptions makes things easier but dosent lock out people from something.

However, crafting bags being ONLY available to ESO+ subscribers is imo, the wrong direction. It gives ESO+ subscribers a distinct advantage over anyone who dosent have it. Dont tell me it dosent matter, this bag wont change gameplay etc. I have been playing long enough to know how valuable alts/bank space is. Its one of the major and most important gold sinks in the game. Tons of sets I wanted to test got deconned because I just dont have the banks space. If I had this bag, I would have not needed to decon that gear. Not the same as you getting a bit of bonus EXP. It locks me out from doing something even though im willing to pay a one time price, much akin to me buying crown scrolls to get the bonus EXP that ESO plus subscribers have all the time. Yes its 10% vs 50% but its still something extra no?

If you want to have a distinct advantage over everyone else because you are a subscriber just come out and say it. (AKA your'e okay with p2W). No one's going to hate you for it. Its your right to have an opinion. But dont try downplaying it by saying these bags dont matter. I have 2 master crafters, and 5 toons who are just mules carrying gear/crafting mats, so I know how much of an advantage + gold save these bags will be. Its like that bag would immediately save you around a million worth of gold. At least I would have saved that much gold if I had that bag.

That being said tho, I dont how they can put these crafting bags in store while not making crown bag space upgrades/bank space upgrades obsolete.

@FLuFFyxMuFFiN : I do like this Idea:
My last idea for non-subs to get crafting bags could be that they make an initial crown store purchase of the bag and it has a certain amount of slots. Then every time they buy a new DLC the bag increases and adds more slots. That way non-subs who still support the game by buying the DLC can still get something out of it.

This way ESO+ subscribers get their advantage and im not totally excluded either They would have to factor in that some of us have already paid for Ors and TG tho.

Volkodav wrote: »

Masstershake wrote: »

I by no means am saying its selfish that subscribers get perks. Im saying people that say only subscribers should be allowed the bags is selfish. Sure subscribers should get the bag for free. But non subscribers should have a way to pay for that item.

Subscribers need better rewards i agree with But the rewards should be bonuses. Like faster trait or more xp. Or crowns every month. Things people that dont pay monthly can still do but at a slower rate.

To the guy saying buy a sub or shut up its not that easy. I am on a very fixed budget with 3 kids a mortgage and a business. Sure my company has better months than others and i can splurge those months and get crowns.

If it isnt selfish for subbers to get perks(such as the infinite bags) then why are you so bothered? It is a perk,...only for people who pay every month. Just sub and you too can have them.They arent saying you cant.
I too am on a fixed budget,actually a very fixed income,and have medical and other bills. When I take a certain amount out to pay for ESO,it's pretty much all I can afford to play with.Well,that and perhaps an extra $20.00 or so.Which is why I could buy that new video card.
Lots of people have the same issues you have,but they can afford only $15.00,..or your business needs reevaluation. If it was like $25.00 or a month that might be a bit tight.

Crafting bags arent a "perk" as u claim. Exp bonus is a perk. Faster traits is a perk. With limited bank space and limited characters ( 8 max), bank slots and bag slots are a real and serious limiting factor. Any master crafter knows this. Quoting my previous post "I have been playing long enough to know how valuable alts/bank space is. Its one of the major and most important gold sinks in the game. Tons of sets I wanted to test got deconned because I just dont have the banks space. If I had this bag, I would have not needed to decon that gear. Not the same as you getting a bit of bonus EXP. It locks me out from doing something even though im willing to pay a one time price, much akin to me buying crown scrolls to get the bonus EXP that ESO plus subscribers have all the time. ".

ESO+ subscribers can get 20% bonus exp and 30% faster crafting traits for all I care. But crafting bags are godsend in this game and to me, making it exclusive to ESO+ is the very definition of P2W because ESO unlike other mmos is a game of inclusion. Things like DPS meters etc were outlawedd precisely because they segregate the player base. These crafting bags being only ESO+ is exactly counter intuitive to that position. They can make a non-infinite crafting bag with 100-200 slots depending on how many DLCs one has bought while the ESO+ one can be infinite. I'd be cool with that. Dont need infinite slots anyway. This implementation would be an ESO+ perk. Making it exclusive would make it P2W.