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Calling all people who eschew Maxing and just Play
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
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✭✭I explore. I'm really excited for the upcoming World Scaling cause then my exploration will be Tamriel wide... But yeah, I'm a lone wolf adventurer who just seeks out injustice with my space hamster.I AM UPDATING MY PRIVACY POLICY
PAWS (Positively Against Wrip-off Stuff) - Say No to Crown Crates!
∽∽∽ 2 years of Elder Scrolls Online ∼∼∼
"Give us money" = Box sales & monthly sub fees,
"moar!" = £10 palomino horse,
"MOAR!" = Switch to B2P, launch cash shop,
"MOAR!!" = Charge for DLC that subs had already paid for,
"MOAR!!!" = Experience scrolls and riding lessons,
"MOARR!!!" = Vampire/werewolf bites,
"MOAARRR!!!" = CS exclusive motifs,
"MOOAARRR!!!" = Crown crates,
"MOOOAAARRR!!!" = 'Chapter's' bought separately from ESO+,
"MOOOOAAAARRRR!!!!" = ???
Male, Dunmer, VR16, Templar, Aldmeri Dominion, Master Crafter & all Traits, CP4500 -
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
BlitzGirl41✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.3 -
Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭ruze84b14_ESO wrote: »Each of my characters was a backstory well before they were a character.
All my RPG characters are the same soul living and dying across the infinite multiverse, retaining full memories of previous incarnations.
"Say what? I can't craft my own weapons and armor in this reality? Pfft!" (Kills self)0 -
cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?Edited by cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO on May 20, 2016 5:16PMR.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
Appleblade✭✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Have you contacted the UN Human Rights Council?2 -
BlitzGirl41✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?
If "bad" players are still not succeeding in the dungeons, maybe they weren't really "nerfed" at all? Not like it impacts the "good" players, since they still can get through them without issue. But please note that not everyone who may not be good at the game is clamoring for easy-mode. Not even I find the game necessarily "easy" compared to many other MMORPGs (this is one of the more complex ones, IMO), and I'm not demanding any changes at all. Just need to learn and adapt.3 -
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✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?
Sounds to me like you need to blame the profit motive and business in general. ZoS does what makes money. If enough of the player base (i.e. market) complains, then there is reason for them to change it. You can always vote with your dollar and go play a more "challenging" game.
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cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?
Sounds to me like you need to blame the profit motive and business in general. ZoS does what makes money. If enough of the player base (i.e. market) complains, then there is reason for them to change it. You can always vote with your dollar and go play a more "challenging" game.
Oh, I already have, won't pay them another dollar as they've been making the game super easy faceroll mode all over the place, there's literally no challenging 4-man dungeons left in the game. Tried out ICP and WGT on the PTS, the only two remotely challenging dungeons left on live, now they're super easy and not fun to do at all just as there's no challenge in it. People are already soloing the vet dungeons as it is, now we would be able to just solo the last two also except for a few mechanics that makes that impossible. Is that really how vet dungeons should be?R.I.P. Daranth Spellborn
VR16 Dunmer Sorcerer
March 2014 - May 2016
He was a skilled Crafter and a reliable Sorcerer;
Then came the Dark Brotherhood
Wrobel wrote: Surge is now more effective for tank characters.
Because crit tanks are so good, LOL. xD0 -
FortheloveofKrist✭✭✭✭✭
✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?
Sounds to me like you need to blame the profit motive and business in general. ZoS does what makes money. If enough of the player base (i.e. market) complains, then there is reason for them to change it. You can always vote with your dollar and go play a more "challenging" game.
Oh, I already have, won't pay them another dollar as they've been making the game super easy faceroll mode all over the place, there's literally no challenging 4-man dungeons left in the game. Tried out ICP and WGT on the PTS, the only two remotely challenging dungeons left on live, now they're super easy and not fun to do at all just as there's no challenge in it. People are already soloing the vet dungeons as it is, now we would be able to just solo the last two also except for a few mechanics that makes that impossible. Is that really how vet dungeons should be?
Like I said, you're in the wrong thread. Sounds like you just want to argue.
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lookstwice✭✭✭I can't have fun unless I am playing something that appeals to me. I don't care if its not the best of the best. I play what I enjoy and make it work the best that I can. My character means something to me and I work it kinda like a D&D character with a backstory and everything. Even if I never RP in the entire time I play this game I still know where my character comes from.
Pretty much this.0 -
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✭Taleof2Cities wrote: »Refreshing to see posts like this ...
... as compared to all the other over the top complaint threads about how a player's build was ruined and said player can't change with the new patch.
Not to mention that not min-maxing saves A LOT of gold.0 -
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✭When I have a little spare time, or cba about my chores in game, I help out people in zonechat. If someone needs help with a quest, dungeon or worldboss I help out.
I also go and farm raw materials, flowers, fight enemies with unoptimized gear or skills.
...and I fill my empty soul gems out in pvp
I'm considering to craft a cheap v14 purple gear for this purpose even, from this set: Oblivion's Foe for personal enjoyment. 0 -
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✭✭✭OrangeTheCat wrote: »Taleof2Cities wrote: »Refreshing to see posts like this ...
... as compared to all the other over the top complaint threads about how a player's build was ruined and said player can't change with the new patch.
Not to mention that not min-maxing saves A LOT of gold.
Darn skippy... purrrple is purrrfect.
Uh oh my inner khajit is restless.
Clock out in 26m...Proudly skooma free while talks-when-drunk is in mandatory public housing.
YFMV Your Fun May Vary.
First Law of Nerf-o-Dynamics
"The good way I used to get good kills *with good skill* was good but the way others kill me now is bad."0 -
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✭✭FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »BlitzGirl41 wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »FortheloveofKrist wrote: »cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »Happiness doesn't come from wiping continuously for hours because some people wanted to play on their sub-par build and wasting 3 other people's time either
"Sub-par" is a subjective ideal. More reason to play with people you know and like.
A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it just to stop wasting other people's time. I've had to run with people with those kinds of builds and believe me, they are not fun runs at all when running with people that have those kinds of builds and then refuse to fix them around.
Sounds like this isn't the thread for you then.
Maybe not, but it's people with these kinds of builds that affects me when zenimax got to nerf all the content for those kinds of people as they're too lazy to make a good build and then whine about everything being too hard when it really isn't.
Is there any proof that Zeni deliberately "nerfed" content for "inept" players? That's making quite the generalization and assumption.
Well, they certainly didn't nerf it for the people that could clear the dungeons. So that just leaves the other end of the spectrum, doesn't it?
Sounds to me like you need to blame the profit motive and business in general. ZoS does what makes money. If enough of the player base (i.e. market) complains, then there is reason for them to change it. You can always vote with your dollar and go play a more "challenging" game.
Oh, I already have, won't pay them another dollar as they've been making the game super easy faceroll mode all over the place, there's literally no challenging 4-man dungeons left in the game. Tried out ICP and WGT on the PTS, the only two remotely challenging dungeons left on live, now they're super easy and not fun to do at all just as there's no challenge in it. People are already soloing the vet dungeons as it is, now we would be able to just solo the last two also except for a few mechanics that makes that impossible. Is that really how vet dungeons should be?
Like I said, you're in the wrong thread. Sounds like you just want to argue.
Their opinion just differs from yours is all,and they are expressing that,as you are.They too can either agree or disagree with anyone in the forums.This thread is for whoever wishes to comment on it.Whether their thoughts are to your liking or not.0 -
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✭✭✭✭captainwolfos wrote: »
I, too, have a goblin character. Which I decided to create after finding a goblin disguise/polymorph in Stonefalls. So you, too, can have a real goblin should you so choose!
I really don't want the costume; that's why I rolled her up as ... well as the ugliest bosmer I could. I figure given what is in the game to start with, I'd try to make it work.
BTW what is the backstory of your goblin?
Of course I'm weird that way. Heard someone talking about playing a sea elf, so using Dunmer as a template, I "rolled one up". She's a sorc that pretty much only uses ice/electric abilities; it was the closest I could get to the "weather magic" I picture sea elves as having. I also got the Mind shriven horse for her, but she hasn't "met" him yet.
Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
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✭✭✭✭cosmic_niklas_93b16_ESO wrote: »A build being sub-par stops being subjective when you can't kill a single thing in the dungeon and die from things sneezing your way, then they're just plain bad and even the people running it should realize that and either fix it or stay out of dungeons if they refuse to fix it.
You sound stressed.
Also, I don't recall anyone in any dungeon sneezing at me.
I hope you have better experiences in the future.Tenesi Faryon of Telvanni - Dunmer Sorceress who deliberately sought sacrifice into Cold Harbor to rescue her beloved.
Hisa Ni Caemaire - Altmer Sorceress, member of the Order Draconis and Adept of the House of Dibella.
Broken Branch Toothmaul - goblin (for my goblin characters, I use either orsimer or bosmer templates) Templar, member of the Order Draconis and persistently unskilled pickpocket
Mol gro Durga - Orsimer Socerer/Battlemage who died the first time when the Nibenay Valley chapterhouse of the Order Draconis was destroyed, then went back to Cold Harbor to rescue his second/partner who was still captive. He overestimated his resistance to the hopelessness of Oblivion, about to give up, and looked up to see the golden glow of atherius surrounding a beautiful young woman who extended her hand to him and said "I can help you". He carried Fianna Kingsley out of Cold Harbor on his shoulder. He carried Alvard Stower under one arm. He also irritated the Prophet who had intended the portal for only Mol and Lyris.***Order Draconis - well c'mon there has to be some explanation for all those dragon tattoos.
House of Dibella - If you have ever seen or read "Memoirs of a Geisha" that's just the beginning...
Nibenay Valley Chapterhouse - Where now stands only desolate ground and a dolmen there once was a thriving community supporting one of the major chapterhouses of the Order Draconis0 -
Elvent✭✭✭✭I'm one of those players. I don't really do group content and I don't like PvP. I like to level characters and everything else the game has to offer. I do this in most MMORPGs I play. I'm mostly an alt fanatic, I just love leveling in games and trying out different classes/builds and seeing different story.
It's also funner with a friend but it's hard to find others that share this same interest.0