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Boneshield - Can we get 1 stam scaling morph and 1 health scaling morph.
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cazlonb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭ZOS realized that stamina shouldn't have a strong shield as long as they can dodge roll so many more times as magicka.
Bone Shield never should have scaled with max stam to begin with.
Yup. ZOS should also have found a way to drop that stupid mechanic from mag Sorcs' shield and compensate them in some other way. Rolling all defense and offense into one stat just doesn't work. Not in this game, anyway.This is primarily a PvP game -- or at least it was developed with that intent.
Uh, no. Never was, never will be. See, this is one of the reasons PvErs tend to be so annoyed with the PvP crowd. As soon as there is just a smidge of PvP in a game, it is declared "primarily a PvP game" and "suck it up, carebears". Stuff it already.0 -
GRYM.LOCKE✭✭✭ZOS realized that stamina shouldn't have a strong shield as long as they can dodge roll so many more times as magicka.
This is primarily a PvP game -- or at least it was developed with that intent.
It is also entirely possible for the game to be balanced between PvP and PvE.
Do not fault PvP for ZOS' incompetence in balancing their game. Their methods have been consistently poor and half-assed. That doesn't make PvP bad for the game.
If they would balance player skills and sets around PvP and then balance PvE mobs, zones, and encounters around the resulting player characters, then all would be well. The problem is that ZOS balances for PvE first, then uses band-aid fixes for PvP, breaks something that never should have been broken to begin with, and then nerfs it for both PvP and PvE.
Sorry but I disagree i was first in the door when ESO started and never once did i see
1: advertisement
2: trailers
for PVP
so where do you base this conclusion of?
* if you had said Camelot unchained which is still to come then yes
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khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Why put anything into health if the shield scales off max stamina? Having the shield scale off max health is better for diversity. You want a bigger shield? Stack more health. We shouldn't be limited to just maxing stam for survivability IMO
Why put anything into health when the shields scale off max magicka... oh, wait.Edited by khele23eb17_ESO on May 20, 2016 10:33PMP2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
khele23eb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭GRYM.LOCKE wrote: »ZOS realized that stamina shouldn't have a strong shield as long as they can dodge roll so many more times as magicka.
This is primarily a PvP game -- or at least it was developed with that intent.
It is also entirely possible for the game to be balanced between PvP and PvE.
Do not fault PvP for ZOS' incompetence in balancing their game. Their methods have been consistently poor and half-assed. That doesn't make PvP bad for the game.
If they would balance player skills and sets around PvP and then balance PvE mobs, zones, and encounters around the resulting player characters, then all would be well. The problem is that ZOS balances for PvE first, then uses band-aid fixes for PvP, breaks something that never should have been broken to begin with, and then nerfs it for both PvP and PvE.
Sorry but I disagree i was first in the door when ESO started and never once did i see
1: advertisement
2: trailers
for PVP
so where do you base this conclusion of?
Compare the PvE and PvP part of the game. Which of the two had a massively bigger budget and which did ZoS spend more time developing?
P2P offered you 'hell yeah!' moments. F2P offers you 'thank god its over' moments.1 -
SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭Everyone arguing that this is too OP or stupid should be begging for this to happen.
Think about the following:
1) For someone with 40k stamina, it is still a tiny shield.
2) It is really expensive
3) Poisons
4) You already hate the perma dodgerollers
I don't think anyone would slot this in PVP, but it could be beneficial in PVE helping stam users with things like VMA (maybe, still way too expensive to be effective but that's just an opinion).
But in PVP, imagine running into someone wearing this tiny expensive shield. If they want to keep it up they'll have to keep recasting at an incredibly high cost, or keep dodge rolling. Either way, you'd be able to burn through their resources much faster and they wouldn't have the resources to be offensive. Someone wouldn't be able to run this + shuffle + dodge roll + vigor + rally and be competitive. I'd love to come across someone trying. Now add poisons to the mix? Toast.
Options are good. They make people make decisions, some of which can be terrible and make them easy to beat. There should be more things in the game that present a "double-edged sword."Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
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- And now it sure does, better learn how to bash folks!
I get by with a little help from logic.2 -
Ghost-Shot✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭cazlonb16_ESO wrote: »ZOS realized that stamina shouldn't have a strong shield as long as they can dodge roll so many more times as magicka.
Bone Shield never should have scaled with max stam to begin with.
Yup. ZOS should also have found a way to drop that stupid mechanic from mag Sorcs' shield and compensate them in some other way. Rolling all defense and offense into one stat just doesn't work. Not in this game, anyway.This is primarily a PvP game -- or at least it was developed with that intent.
Uh, no. Never was, never will be. See, this is one of the reasons PvErs tend to be so annoyed with the PvP crowd. As soon as there is just a smidge of PvP in a game, it is declared "primarily a PvP game" and "suck it up, carebears". Stuff it already.
It was actually marketed as a primarily PVP game, Cyrodiil was the end game when ESO launched. They have obviously changed direction due to the games horrible mismanagement but that doesn't change the fact that it was originally sold as a game with a PVP end game.2 -
OdinForge✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Large stack-able damage shields are a stupid design, the lazy way out of designing good mechanics. Stamina scaling shield + troll-dodge is an even worse idea, of course ZOS had to try it out.
But reverting it back to HP was the right choice, deleting the entire skill and replacing it with something useful would be even better though.The Age of Wrobel.0 -
OrphanHelgen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭I think mages should have heals and shield playstyle, while fighters should have speed and dodge style.
If everyone have shield scaled on their resource and same duration, its kind of no different playstyles anymore.PC, EU server, Ebonheart Pact
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mr_wazzabi✭✭✭✭✭
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Same for me with my stamblade.Ep1kMalware wrote: »I agree there should be 2 morphs. By the time you have enough health to make the shield worthwhile you won't need it. I was actually looking forward to using this in vmsa on my stamplar. Would save me a lot of agony in round 5
O well, more rally and vigor spamming...
Bosmer Stamina NB
Altmer Magicka TEMP
Dunmer DK both stam/mag (depends what I feel like)
Altmer Magicka NB
Breton Magicka Sorc
Redguard Stam Sorc
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Khaos_Bane wrote: »TOO OP. PERIOD.
/lockthread
Yes, only sorcerer shield is allowed to be OP.
Fixed for you.
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes, stamina need same system as magicka, need 1 morph scaled to stam.
Does magicka NB, DK, or Templar currently have the same system as a magicka sorcerer? Give me a break. It is disgusting that you are trying to make your build more OP, and create further PvP imbalances."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭Justice31st wrote: »
Actually with Annulment all magicka classes have a version of Hardened ward now so........ LOL?
I get the fear about a stamina shield, but like others have posted the Stam player isn't going to dump that many points into +barrier as they give up too much thus a 5,000-7500 max dmg shield isn't even that bad. And maintaining Dodge roll, Shield, Rally, Vigor etc is going to be too heavy of a drain on their resources not even counting the new poisons.
I didn't see a problem with the shield but w/e, it's ZOS's game. I do fine without a shield already, I thought it would be useful for new pvp'ers before they get Vigor tho. Cause Rally alone isn't enough.Edited by AfkNinja on May 20, 2016 7:07PM0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Considering the inherent strengths of Stam builds, including tons of CC breaking+dodge rolling+Shuffle.....
Stam DKs shielding up is not something we need. I like that builds with very high health can use a damage shield and that it has strong synergies (the point of Undaunted).0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doncellius wrote: »Considering the inherent strengths of Stam builds, including tons of CC breaking+dodge rolling+Shuffle.....
Stam DKs shielding up is not something we need. I like that builds with very high health can use a damage shield and that it has strong synergies (the point of Undaunted).
...Which is why you would make one morph of each type.
Also have you ever dodge rolled out of a jesus beam before? Didnt think so.
Please see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2989507/#Comment_2989507 this post where I explain the fundamental difference between dodge roll vs shields, and the variable difference between being a mag vs stam vs health based shield user.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭Justice31st wrote: »
Actually with Annulment all magicka classes have a version of Hardened ward now so........ LOL?
I get the fear about a stamina shield, but like others have posted the Stam player isn't going to dump that many points into +barrier as they give up too much thus a 5,000-7500 max dmg shield isn't even that bad. And maintaining Dodge roll, Shield, Rally, Vigor etc is going to be too heavy of a drain on their resources not even counting the new poisons.
I didn't see a problem with the shield but w/e, it's ZOS's game. I do fine without a shield already, I thought it would be useful for new pvp'ers before they get Vigor tho. Cause Rally alone isn't enough.
Stamina having the same damage mitigation shields as magicka but also have dodge roll. LOL?"The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Justice31st wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
Actually with Annulment all magicka classes have a version of Hardened ward now so........ LOL?
I get the fear about a stamina shield, but like others have posted the Stam player isn't going to dump that many points into +barrier as they give up too much thus a 5,000-7500 max dmg shield isn't even that bad. And maintaining Dodge roll, Shield, Rally, Vigor etc is going to be too heavy of a drain on their resources not even counting the new poisons.
I didn't see a problem with the shield but w/e, it's ZOS's game. I do fine without a shield already, I thought it would be useful for new pvp'ers before they get Vigor tho. Cause Rally alone isn't enough.
Stamina having the same damage mitigation shields as magicka but also have dodge roll. LOL?
Please see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2989507/#Comment_2989507 this post where I explain the fundamental difference between dodge roll vs shields, and the variable difference between being a mag vs stam vs health based shield user.Tome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭Justice31st wrote: »Justice31st wrote: »
Actually with Annulment all magicka classes have a version of Hardened ward now so........ LOL?
I get the fear about a stamina shield, but like others have posted the Stam player isn't going to dump that many points into +barrier as they give up too much thus a 5,000-7500 max dmg shield isn't even that bad. And maintaining Dodge roll, Shield, Rally, Vigor etc is going to be too heavy of a drain on their resources not even counting the new poisons.
I didn't see a problem with the shield but w/e, it's ZOS's game. I do fine without a shield already, I thought it would be useful for new pvp'ers before they get Vigor tho. Cause Rally alone isn't enough.
Stamina having the same damage mitigation shields as magicka but also have dodge roll. LOL?
Please see https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2989507/#Comment_2989507 this post where I explain the fundamental difference between dodge roll vs shields, and the variable difference between being a mag vs stam vs health based shield user.
I saw your thread, and I agree with people who are against Max Stamina shields. There is a reason why ZOS reverted those changes. Max Stamina Vigor + Shield + Dodge Roll would seriously put stamina over."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0 -
Cathexis✭✭✭✭✭
✭Justice31st wrote: »
@Justice31st
Bolt escape? Cloak? DK Wings? Insane healing? Got you covered bud.Edited by Cathexis on June 15, 2016 2:47PMTome of Alteration Magic I - Reality is an Ancient Dwemer Construct: Everything You Need to Know About FPS
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holosoul✭✭✭✭@CathexisBolt escape? Cloak? DK Wings? Insane healing? Got you covered bud.
Bolt escape doesn't make you immune to damage for 3 seconds (as dodge roll does)
Blocking on a magicka build makes you die to stun since you can block a total of like 4 attacks before 0 stamina (and bad regen too, no coming back from it)
Break free also has no magicka counter-part and is a major weakness of magicka builds.
If you think dodge/break free/block are so bad, why would you even argue against this?
Just be like, "Ok, ya, let's have dodge, block, and break free use your highest stat"
Problem solved.
Hell, you can even have shields and my sorc can lose our class shield _AND_ bolt escape! how's that for a sweet deal?
I get magicka vigor too though0 -
Justice31st✭✭✭✭✭
✭@CathexisBolt escape? Cloak? DK Wings? Insane healing? Got you covered bud.
Bolt escape doesn't make you immune to damage for 3 seconds (as dodge roll does)
Blocking on a magicka build makes you die to stun since you can block a total of like 4 attacks before 0 stamina (and bad regen too, no coming back from it)
Break free also has no magicka counter-part and is a major weakness of magicka builds.
If you think dodge/break free/block are so bad, why would you even argue against this?
Just be like, "Ok, ya, let's have dodge, block, and break free use your highest stat"
Problem solved.
Hell, you can even have shields and my sorc can lose our class shield _AND_ bolt escape! how's that for a sweet deal?
I get magicka vigor too though
^This. Well said."The more you know who you are, and what you want, the less you let things upset you."0