Briarheart
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Leandor✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭You know what is the first and foremost change required for this set to be viable? A chance for purple robust jewellery to drop. At all.1 -
kadar✭✭✭✭✭
✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Briarheart is like essence thief. It looks amazing on paper and you grind the crap out of getting it, but once you have it you realize how subpar it is.
I have a perfect 5 pc of Briar, and it outperforms Hundings, imo. Especially in vMA where it gives me a free 600 Healing per second. To each their own though.
Now that we'll have more choices for jewelry in DB though, we'll see.1 -
hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
It's powerful in PvE for a Stamplar. Solo content like vMA or solo Vet Dungeons can become far easier with those heals. When using Caltrops+Volley+Jabs, lots of Crits happen and the proc will be up almost as soon as the cooldown passes. Major Mending should also buff the heal.
Point is, this is not at all a bad set. Sure you won't use it in place of the always and forever BiS For Pure DPS set: Hunding's Rage, but it is a fun set to play around with
Any build that has a high crit chance and tons of DoTs will gain massive heals from the bonus.
EDIT: Is there an internal cooldown on the actual healing procs while the 10sec Briarthorns buff is active? If not, this is a great set in the right hands.
Ok let me correct myself, PvP and Arena, this set can be useful. In trials it will be comparable to hundings. If this set was BoE, I wouldn't say anything, but seeing as this set is Bob and is very difficult to acquire in the right traits, it should be buff3d to have a 10 second cooldown versus the current 15.
Just found a Vid about this by Deltia
https://youtu.be/DnudeJekMMU
Anyway, I personally think that the cooldown should remain as is, while the heal itself being able to Crit. If the 5sec cooldown went away, it would become 100% BiS for Stamina DPS builds.
Sorry it's a deltia video, can't watch it. As for Briar being BiS if the cooldown goes away. What's wrong with that? It's a very hard to obtain set, it should provide benefits.
Because... BiS is much better as a craftable set than as something you need to farm chests in Wrothgar, IC, Hew's Bane, and Cyrodiil for. That'd be atrocious because every DPS would try to get the set w/ good traits as well. Chest farming 24/7.... ughh
BiS should be unlocked by beating vMOL, but craftable without jewelry works too. What's wrong with Deltia?
BiS should be hard to get, not crafted by anyone...0 -
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✭Ep1kMalware wrote: »Briarheart is like essence thief. It looks amazing on paper and you grind the crap out of getting it, but once you have it you realize how subpar it is.
Exactly...if this set was BoE id get it, but for a hard to get BoP set, it is pretty lackluster0 -
Vaoh✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
It's powerful in PvE for a Stamplar. Solo content like vMA or solo Vet Dungeons can become far easier with those heals. When using Caltrops+Volley+Jabs, lots of Crits happen and the proc will be up almost as soon as the cooldown passes. Major Mending should also buff the heal.
Point is, this is not at all a bad set. Sure you won't use it in place of the always and forever BiS For Pure DPS set: Hunding's Rage, but it is a fun set to play around with
Any build that has a high crit chance and tons of DoTs will gain massive heals from the bonus.
EDIT: Is there an internal cooldown on the actual healing procs while the 10sec Briarthorns buff is active? If not, this is a great set in the right hands.
Ok let me correct myself, PvP and Arena, this set can be useful. In trials it will be comparable to hundings. If this set was BoE, I wouldn't say anything, but seeing as this set is Bob and is very difficult to acquire in the right traits, it should be buff3d to have a 10 second cooldown versus the current 15.
Just found a Vid about this by Deltiahttps://youtu.be/DnudeJekMMU
Anyway, I personally think that the cooldown should remain as is, while the heal itself being able to Crit. If the 5sec cooldown went away, it would become 100% BiS for Stamina DPS builds.
Sorry it's a deltia video, can't watch it. As for Briar being BiS if the cooldown goes away. What's wrong with that? It's a very hard to obtain set, it should provide benefits.
Because... BiS is much better as a craftable set than as something you need to farm chests in Wrothgar, IC, Hew's Bane, and Cyrodiil for. That'd be atrocious because every DPS would try to get the set w/ good traits as well. Chest farming 24/7.... ughh
BiS should be unlocked by beating vMOL, but craftable without jewelry works too. What's wrong with Deltia?
BiS should be hard to get, not crafted by anyone...
Agreed. That's what I said in my last sentence
Kinda surprised that vMOL gear isn't BiS for at least a couple PvE roles. It could be fixed by adding another bonus to each of the 3-piece bonuses (Minor Aegis, etc). Giving Weapon/Spell power could've made them on par with or better than the standard sets.
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✭The_Outsider wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »Briarheart is like essence thief. It looks amazing on paper and you grind the crap out of getting it, but once you have it you realize how subpar it is.
I have a perfect 5 pc of Briar, and it outperforms Hundings, imo. Especially in vMA where it gives me a free 600 Healing per second. To each their own though.
Now that we'll have more choices for jewelry in DB though, we'll see.
I dunno, I used to use it. In gold hunding said Imget 5025WD after rally, with a vigor that tool tips for ~21.6k Unless I'm getting 1 shotted it's kinda hard for me to die in maelstrom. But then again I'm on the last boss getting rekt. I do want to try a 5pc briarheart using jewelry and weapons, then maybe 5pc nightmothers.
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✭✭I farmed this set for time. Saved up something stupid like 62 boxes on alts too until they hit v16 and literally took me over 100 boxes just to get the final jack and neck. All for....nothing...minimal heals and lacklustre power boost.
Do yourselves a favour and run away from wrothgar and get into ICP and farm sheer venom, this is an epic set for 2h and stamblades players, executioner and killers blade proc this set all this time and keep up some epic damage.PC Master Race
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
It's powerful in PvE for a Stamplar. Solo content like vMA or solo Vet Dungeons can become far easier with those heals. When using Caltrops+Volley+Jabs, lots of Crits happen and the proc will be up almost as soon as the cooldown passes. Major Mending should also buff the heal.
Point is, this is not at all a bad set. Sure you won't use it in place of the always and forever BiS For Pure DPS set: Hunding's Rage, but it is a fun set to play around with
Any build that has a high crit chance and tons of DoTs will gain massive heals from the bonus.
EDIT: Is there an internal cooldown on the actual healing procs while the 10sec Briarthorns buff is active? If not, this is a great set in the right hands.
Ok let me correct myself, PvP and Arena, this set can be useful. In trials it will be comparable to hundings. If this set was BoE, I wouldn't say anything, but seeing as this set is Bob and is very difficult to acquire in the right traits, it should be buff3d to have a 10 second cooldown versus the current 15.
Just found a Vid about this by Deltiahttps://youtu.be/DnudeJekMMU
Anyway, I personally think that the cooldown should remain as is, while the heal itself being able to Crit. If the 5sec cooldown went away, it would become 100% BiS for Stamina DPS builds.
Sorry it's a deltia video, can't watch it. As for Briar being BiS if the cooldown goes away. What's wrong with that? It's a very hard to obtain set, it should provide benefits.
Because... BiS is much better as a craftable set than as something you need to farm chests in Wrothgar, IC, Hew's Bane, and Cyrodiil for. That'd be atrocious because every DPS would try to get the set w/ good traits as well. Chest farming 24/7.... ughh
BiS should be unlocked by beating vMOL, but craftable without jewelry works too. What's wrong with Deltia?
BiS should be hard to get, not crafted by anyone...
Agreed. That's what I said in my last sentence
Kinda surprised that vMOL gear isn't BiS for at least a couple PvE roles. It could be fixed by adding another bonus to each of the 3-piece bonuses (Minor Aegis, etc). Giving Weapon/Spell power could've made them on par with or better than the standard sets.
I think whoever handles itemization at ZoS is so afraid of creating OP sets that they walk on eggshells when making new ones and thus crappie sets are born.2 -
AOECAPS✭✭✭✭Briarheart is good would be better if the heals could crit they can't so eh. It does proc quite a bit though0
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hedna123b14_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Briarheart is good would be better if the heals could crit they can't so eh. It does proc quite a bit though
Even if it procs on cooldown it is at best comparable to hundings - a crafted set....thats not good0 -
In my opinion it should get a slightly buff too, as its as good or worse than Hundings0
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STEVIL✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I use Briar and will continue to do so.
Imo no buff needed.
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AOECAPS✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I dont think briarheart is supposed to be the BIS stamina DPS set. As a utility set it is great. It is a combo of very good DPS and heals, which stamina builds typically lack. It's also nice because there is a jewelry option. I don't think it needs a change to the set bonuses, just the ridiculousness of getting v15 magic rings on what is clearly an endgame stamina set.
I am pretty sure that no competitive end game PVE DPS are actually running this, but I could be wrong. Assuming we get Viper and Vicious Ophidian jewelry next patch, Briarheart will probably go by the wayside anyways...1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
Builds have 7 armor slots, 3 jewelry slots, and 2 to 4 different weapons. Allowing most players to craft 5 of those 12 to 14 pieces of endgame gear seems to be a pretty reasonable compromise. It is not like you can waltz into VMOL with all low-trait crafted gear and faceroll it. And between hundreds of pieces of VR16 material and 40 Dreugh Wax and 5 Kuta, crafted Hunding/Julianos is still a huge commitment in time and/or money.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Dagoth_Rac wrote: »I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
Builds have 7 armor slots, 3 jewelry slots, and 2 to 4 different weapons. Allowing most players to craft 5 of those 12 to 14 pieces of endgame gear seems to be a pretty reasonable compromise. It is not like you can waltz into VMOL with all low-trait crafted gear and faceroll it. And between hundreds of pieces of VR16 material and 40 Dreugh Wax and 5 Kuta, crafted Hunding/Julianos is still a huge commitment in time and/or money.
Agree, Hundings and Julianos are there to give people a decent head start on most builds, and 6 traits seems about right. To totally optimize a build, you are generally going to need a 5 piece crafted set, 2 dropped monster sets, 3 pieces of jewelry which can be farmed or bought for a hefty price, and Maelstrom weapons, which are the worst grind in the game currently.
If you dont want to grind the second half, you can sub with more crafted stuff (save jewelry), but with a slight loss of performance. That seems about right to me. In a pure endgame raid setting, Twice Born Star (9-triat) will out perform hundings or julianos. Tougher to obtain, but only useful by a smaller percent of the player base. Again, seems about right.
Finally, you can go farm a set like scathing for a small increase over crafted if you want to put in the effort. The biggest issue with the item system currently IMO is the blooted loot tables and layers upon layers of RNG. Save for some moondancer jewelry, Toxic Defiance Pants, and Imperium Guantlets, I have every item I could want. Problem is, many of them have garbage traits. Wish we could do something about that...1 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.0 -
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✭Oreyn_Bearclaw wrote: »I dont think briarheart is supposed to be the BIS stamina DPS set. As a utility set it is great. It is a combo of very good DPS and heals, which stamina builds typically lack. It's also nice because there is a jewelry option. I don't think it needs a change to the set bonuses, just the ridiculousness of getting v15 magic rings on what is clearly an endgame stamina set.
I am pretty sure that no competitive end game PVE DPS are actually running this, but I could be wrong. Assuming we get Viper and Vicious Ophidian jewelry next patch, Briarheart will probably go by the wayside anyways...
No endgame dps is running it this is correct, the other options are just so much better, but this doesn't have to be this way...0 -
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✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one!
It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.BawKinTackWarDs PS4/NA0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.0 -
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2Sorry it's a deltia video, can't watch it. As for Briar being BiS if the cooldown goes away. What's wrong with that? It's a very hard to obtain set, it should provide benefits.
For starters, poor Deltia. At least he makes vids about these things. But his methods are sooo faulty and wrong I can share some understanding of your hurt (granted I'm guessing your dislike for him doesn't come from the fact that his methods are virtuous yet faulty, but instead it comes from the fact that he's cooler than you). There are soooo many variables involved here, you simply can't look at it from the pov of doing 1 or 2 tests. Especially with the way RNG works in this game, large samples are needed. Notice how the crit %'s are all over the place?
Ok, now onto the point of the poster. People need to learn the sad truth in this game: gear doesn't matter. Only things that matter are weapons and jewls.
Wearing 7 pieces of yellow, enchanted generic gear will only lower your dps by about 14% (5% from monster set, 9% from the "lower 5") provided your jewls enchants and weps are the same. You get the same dps increase from elemental drain or puncture then you get from your entire gear setup. More from major brutality. More from merciless resolve. More from using divines on your gear. More from your racial passives. More from using mage light. Twice as much from your mundus stone (provided you're sane and using the thief). And of course much much much more from cp (5x more).
Which leads to my second point. Of that 9% you get from, say, hundings, half (typically 4% depending on cp n class) comes from the crit.
The fact that say "Briaheart only adds some crit" is ignoring the best part of the crappy situation.
My point is that
You wanting more of a bonus from Briarheart would break the 9% rule. It doesn't matter how hard it is to farm the gear, there will never be a set in the near future which adds ,much more than 9% dps. There will never be a magical set that is clearly better than others. There will only be sets that do cool things. I mean, have you seen those flying swords?
I was going to make a bunch of separate posts, but I'm too lazy so I punished you this mash of ideas. The point is stop whining that you don't get a set more powerful than any others, and perhaps start whining that all sets are subpar.
Edited by Samwell Slayer on May 20, 2016 11:11PMPC/Mac NA server. Cast, in order of appearance (got one of everything):
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Samantha Tarly Stam Sorc DC FC
The Sawmell Tarly Tank DK EP Stormproof
Tamwell Sarly Mgk Temp AD FC
Covenant Blues Mgk DK EP Stormproof
Samwell Tardy Mgk Sorc AD FC
Stam Tarly Stam Temp AD Stormproof
Samwelf Tarly Mgk NB DC FC
Stamwell Tarly Stam DK DC FC
Maester Samwell Heal Temp DC
Samara Tarly Tank NB EP
Sam Mfing Tarly Mule Sorc EP
Warden of HTarly. Mgk. Ward AD FC
Lord Tarly Stam Ward. DC. Still lowbie0 -
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2Sorry it's a deltia video, can't watch it. As for Briar being BiS if the cooldown goes away. What's wrong with that? It's a very hard to obtain set, it should provide benefits.
For starters, poor Deltia. At least he makes vids about these things. But his methods are sooo faulty and wrong I can share some understanding of your hurt (granted I'm guessing your dislike for him doesn't come from the fact that his methods are virtuous yet faulty, but instead it comes from the fact that he's cooler than you). There are soooo many variables involved here, you simply can't look at it from the pov of doing 1 or 2 tests. Especially with the way RNG works in this game, large samples are needed. Notice how the crit %'s are all over the place?
Ok, now onto the point of the poster. People need to learn the sad truth in this game: gear doesn't matter. Only things that matter are weapons and jewls.
Wearing 7 pieces of yellow, enchanted generic gear will only lower your dps by about 14% (5% from monster set, 9% from the "lower 5") provided your jewls enchants and weps are the same. You get the same dps increase from elemental drain or puncture then you get from your entire gear setup. More from major brutality. More from merciless resolve. More from using divines on your gear. More from your racial passives. More from using mage light. Twice as much from your mundus stone (provided you're sane and using the thief). And of course much much much more from cp (5x more).
Which leads to my second point. Of that 9% you get from, say, hundings, half (typically 4% depending on cp n class) comes from the crit.
The fact that say "Briaheart only adds some crit" is ignoring the best part of the crappy situation.
My point is that
You wanting more of a bonus from Briarheart would break the 9% rule. It doesn't matter how hard it is to farm the gear, there will never be a set in the near future which adds ,much more than 9% dps. There will never be a magical set that is clearly better than others. There will only be sets that do cool things. I mean, have you seen those flying swords?
I was going to make a bunch of separate posts, but I'm too lazy so I punished you this mash of ideas. The point is stop whining that you don't get a set more powerful than any others, and perhaps start whining that all sets are subpar.
1. Not even going to comment on the Deltia thing.
2. Some sets are much better than others when it comes to endgame. Every 1% matters, if we are not talking about endgame then you could really wear anything and pull 20k...it's not hard, however everyone serious enough about better themselves will always try to min max. Also the cri5 from Briarheart doesn't add a static dps increase, the % it adds is dependent on the amount of crit you already have, the more crit you already have the less the crit from Briarheart matters. As it stands the set is at best a Hundings with a heal. For endgame group play the heal is useless, so it is sad that we are encouraged to grind a set when we can craft a better one with much less effort.
3. What I want is for hard to get sets to be much better than crafted sets, for example scathing mage on a Mag blade is much better than julianos, that is a good thing, since for me to want to run the content that ZoS releases, there has to be a point, and the incentive should be gear that is better than crafted gear by at least 5-10%. By lowering the cooldown to 10 or even 12 seconds, Briarheart becomes a much more attractive set.0 -
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If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp0 -
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✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.0 -
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Because of impen gear it means it's not worth it for pvp same goes for Nightmothers gaze but that set doesn't need buffed either and TBS isn't good for pvp do u want to buff that set also? The bis weapons are behind a paywall but I guess you want to be right period so okayhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
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Because of impen gear it means it's not worth it for pvp same goes for Nightmothers gaze but that set doesn't need buffed either and TBS isn't good for pvp do u want to buff that set also? The bis weapons are behind a paywall but I guess you want to be right period so okayhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
1. Ok dude stop inventing definitions...here is the first link in google search: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win . You cant buy gear in ESO so its not p2w...
2. Like i said before, but it clearly doesnt resonate with you - I don't PvP, whether it works there or not is not my concern, but lets assume that youre right and it doesnt work there. So now you ahve a set that doesnt worrk in eitherr PvP or endgame group PvE, with the only possible other option being Arena, but there are better sets to run there. I dont think lowering the cooldown to 10 seconds or even 12 seconds would make it OP...do you believe it would?
3. If the game doesn't update gear it has no longevity, to update gear you nead to create ways to acuire said gear and make the gear itself. Im assuming you have a job. At your job do you expect to be given money without working? Same goes for developers who make these games and companies that finance them. This so called paywall is basic and logical compensation for work put in...0 -
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Because of impen gear it means it's not worth it for pvp same goes for Nightmothers gaze but that set doesn't need buffed either and TBS isn't good for pvp do u want to buff that set also? The bis weapons are behind a paywall but I guess you want to be right period so okayhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Your version of P2W is very skewed. You're implying that because you subscribe to a game or have to pay for DLC that this is P2W. This is simply not the case. Most gear can be obtained without having either a subscription or DLC, and for the gear that does require it, you still have to play the content and earn it.
The most common definition of P2W: Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying.
This is not the case in ESO. Yes you have to be a subscriber or have bought the DLC as with any game, but you are not automatically given those items. You still have to play the content to earn them, and in ESO that's usually a very demanding grind. Also, the items are not so powerful as to be "over powered" as most P2W items can be. Some sets do add DPS and help min/maxxers, but most of the sets are extremely lack luster and not worth the grind. However, this does not imply you could not be a comparable player without said gear.
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100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol0 -
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100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol
No no, you misunderstand...I got weapons...enough weapons to supply my entire guild with..except they are all either stam or resto staves...0 -
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100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol
No no, you misunderstand...I got weapons...enough weapons to supply my entire guild with..except they are all either stam or resto staves...
Oh okay, that makes more sense.
I'm sorry for your terrible RNG. It can be absolutely horrible in this game. I recently finished off the pieces of the Winterborn Set I needed (shoes, legs, belt, robes, gloves).... With 3 pieces Reinforced
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