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✭Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »
100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one!
It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol
No no, you misunderstand...I got weapons...enough weapons to supply my entire guild with..except they are all either stam or resto staves...
Oh okay, that makes more sense.
I'm sorry for your terrible RNG. It can be absolutely horrible in this game. I recently finished off the pieces of the Winterborn Set I needed (shoes, legs, belt, robes, gloves).... With 3 pieces Reinforced
Oh thats nothing, im pissed about the staff, but ill live....i have done over 300 runs of vICP and i still dont have full scathing...Edited by hedna123b14_ESO on May 21, 2016 7:08AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »
100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol
No no, you misunderstand...I got weapons...enough weapons to supply my entire guild with..except they are all either stam or resto staves...
Oh okay, that makes more sense.
I'm sorry for your terrible RNG. It can be absolutely horrible in this game. I recently finished off the pieces of the Winterborn Set I needed (shoes, legs, belt, robes, gloves).... With 3 pieces Reinforced
Oh thats nothing, im pissed about the staff, but ill live....i have done over 300 runs of vICP and i still dont have full scathing...
I heard the drop rates on set piece from bosses will increase by a ton (may be 100%) in vWGT and vICP. As a PS4 player I can't test these things myself. I've been looking at IC sets more though because they're all good and might finally be accessible by this change.0 -
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✭Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »
100+ vMA completions without a single weapon.... really?hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
Yeah.... I find that a bit hard to believe. Something tells me you made that number up. Lol
No no, you misunderstand...I got weapons...enough weapons to supply my entire guild with..except they are all either stam or resto staves...
Oh okay, that makes more sense.
I'm sorry for your terrible RNG. It can be absolutely horrible in this game. I recently finished off the pieces of the Winterborn Set I needed (shoes, legs, belt, robes, gloves).... With 3 pieces Reinforced
Oh thats nothing, im pissed about the staff, but ill live....i have done over 300 runs of vICP and i still dont have full scathing...
I heard the drop rates on set piece from bosses will increase by a ton (may be 100%) in vWGT and vICP. As a PS4 player I can't test these things myself. I've been looking at IC sets more though because they're all good and might finally be accessible by this change.
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drumbendrum_ESO✭✭✭For those calling this set subpar I don't think u understand the value of this set!
I have completed VMA and mainly to the fact that this set has made it easier to do so.
If you say the heal is minimal sure in a single ability attack it's nothing but stacking dots and dps'ing on top of that the heal is really good and the sustain allows you to play more offensive than defensive which in VMA is a must.
Now comes the versatility of this set with the jewelry it allows you to combine easily with crafted sets to allow 2x 5 piece buff and if you want to dual wield wield another 2 piece buff.
The reason I think it shines in pve is the AI just sits in your dots and allows everything to stack.
PvP nobody is going to hang out in a barrage caltrops red circle of death. So for that I swing this to pve.
It's a great set and can even replace your hundings if you wanted cause the testing shown by Deltia shows that there really isn't enough difference in the 2.
I'm loving the set and hope you guys can find some use for it, if not wear what makes you happy!1 -
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✭drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »For those calling this set subpar I don't think u understand the value of this set!
I have completed VMA and mainly to the fact that this set has made it easier to do so.
If you say the heal is minimal sure in a single ability attack it's nothing but stacking dots and dps'ing on top of that the heal is really good and the sustain allows you to play more offensive than defensive which in VMA is a must.
Now comes the versatility of this set with the jewelry it allows you to combine easily with crafted sets to allow 2x 5 piece buff and if you want to dual wield wield another 2 piece buff.
The reason I think it shines in pve is the AI just sits in your dots and allows everything to stack.
PvP nobody is going to hang out in a barrage caltrops red circle of death. So for that I swing this to pve.
It's a great set and can even replace your hundings if you wanted cause the testing shown by Deltia shows that there really isn't enough difference in the 2.
I'm loving the set and hope you guys can find some use for it, if not wear what makes you happy!
Again, not saying it's a bad set, I'm saying that for as hard as you have to work for it all you are getting is a Hundings with a heal..sure it has its uses in vma, but that's about it. Cooldown needs to be lower for it to really shine. Making the cooldown 12 seconds instead of 15, would make it averagets around 373 weps damage, even this would be great. 10 seconds would be ideal though...0 -
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✭✭✭The problem with Deltia's Test is that, it isn't Hunding's Rage vs Briarheart. He's still using Hunding's but in tandem with Briarheart, instead of Agility/Kena/Bloodspawn. His test is flawed by that alone because the conditions have now changed. He would need to have replaced Hunding's with Briarheart for the test to be worth anything in regards to comparing the 2 sets. All his test proved was that Agility/Kena/Bloodspawn combo is better than Briarheart.
This is one of my main problems with Deltia. His misinformation has lead many of his follower's astray and they suffer for it in the grand scheme of things and even when you try to steer them in the right direction, some are so stubborn that they just refuse your help and cling to Deltia's advice like it's the word of God. It's really annoying.Argonian forever0 -
Dracan_Fontom✭✭✭✭✭hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
Because of impen gear it means it's not worth it for pvp same goes for Nightmothers gaze but that set doesn't need buffed either and TBS isn't good for pvp do u want to buff that set also? The bis weapons are behind a paywall but I guess you want to be right period so okayhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
1. Ok dude stop inventing definitions...here is the first link in google search: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win . You cant buy gear in ESO so its not p2w...
2. Like i said before, but it clearly doesnt resonate with you - I don't PvP, whether it works there or not is not my concern, but lets assume that youre right and it doesnt work there. So now you ahve a set that doesnt worrk in eitherr PvP or endgame group PvE, with the only possible other option being Arena, but there are better sets to run there. I dont think lowering the cooldown to 10 seconds or even 12 seconds would make it OP...do you believe it would?
3. If the game doesn't update gear it has no longevity, to update gear you nead to create ways to acuire said gear and make the gear itself. Im assuming you have a job. At your job do you expect to be given money without working? Same goes for developers who make these games and companies that finance them. This so called paywall is basic and logical compensation for work put in...
While you definition of P2W is correct, you really should not go to UrbanDictionary as that is a site that has not real ties to proper definitions. As from that. No one should even look at Deltia as most of his work is just bias and very little of his builds are original.Edited by Dracan_Fontom on May 22, 2016 3:23PM0 -
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✭Dracan_Fontom wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
Because of impen gear it means it's not worth it for pvp same goes for Nightmothers gaze but that set doesn't need buffed either and TBS isn't good for pvp do u want to buff that set also? The bis weapons are behind a paywall but I guess you want to be right period so okayhedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »
If you do that then you have 99% of the community complaining about p2w because you need the dlc and it's stuck behind a paywall. Damned if you do damned if you don't by ZOS.i also don't think this set works best by itself I think it's more of a complimentary set with hundings,TBS,Nightmothers. Running around with over 4K weapon damage over 50% crit easily shadow mundus and maelstrom weapons can put out quite a bit of damage.
It's just not good enough though there are better alternatives...buying a dlc to have access to new items is not p2w, noone will give u these items if u buy a dlc, u still have to grind them forever...p2w would be paying money to get a guarantee work free gratification via receiving this item.
You have to pay for maelstrom DLC which has BiS weapons isn't that correct? It is a p2w in a form not the simplest forms like mobile games or free to play games but it is. And other options? What options is that? Parabellum jewelry,agility,endurance? They aren't necessarily better they are very cookie cutterish and bland because ZOS won't scale other gear up to give us different gear as of right now for Stam end game gear you have TBS and Hundings for magic TBS/Julianos.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Well i run it often now and its quite good as is.
Esp woth 3 jewel and only 2 armor leaving 5 for hunding and 2 for nmg.drumbendrum_ESO wrote: »It's only 5 seconds without the set bonus, and is amazing in pve as is. If it were 10 seconds it would have near 100% up time which it should just be a flat set bonus with no down time, which would make it OP! Just my 2 cents I use it though and like it a lot.Silver_Strider wrote: »I really can't wait for this set to get weapons added.
The 5 seconds this set bonus isn't applying is almost negligible, most of the time, enemies are dead before the set bonus is down and most bosses don't last longer than 2-3 cycles of Briarheart anyways so making it so the set bonus is up almost 100% of the time would just be overkill IMO.
Really wish I could get VR16 rings for this set though. RNGeses must be displeased with me to deny me them for this long.I'd prefer 15 up with a 20 sec cooldown but you can't have it all
It's a pretty versatile set as it is for PvE - the healing isn't a joke either when you combine it with Caltrops/arrows/poisons etc
Briarheart averages 280-299 weapon damage. So you're getting a Hundings with a heal...as rear as this set is, we should be getting a he'll of a lot more for the time investment that is required into farming this. Also for those that mention the 3 jewelry/2 armor combo. This patch 4 Alkosh 1 kena is better, next patch 5 ravager will also be better...Idamn like this set to be more competitive...as it stands it's not used in high end PvE...
So "Hundings with a heal" needs a buff. Good one! It's fine the way it is.
Not really...if i can craft hundungs in 5 minutes, but it takes ages to farm this set...also the "heal" is tiny...not worth it
I see where you're coming from, but to me Hunding's should be taken down a notch then, or require 9 traits. Actually I have no idea why one of, if not the best, stamina DPS sets (crafted or otherwise) only requires 6 traits to craft. You could say the same for Julianos.
I don't think hundings should be adjusted, I think the BiS stam sets have been very lackluster as opposed to magicka, which are actually pretty amazing...hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »Doncellius wrote: »Let's be perfectly honest here people.... Briarheart is difficult to obtain, but VERY powerful when used correctly! (Stack DoTs)
It is far more valuable than Hunding's Rage due to strong survivability, though provides slightly less DPS.
All I would ever ask is to raise the RNG chance of drops being V16 instead of V15
My OP PvE Stamplar will use:
1x Molag Kena
1x Blood Spawn
5x Briarheart
3x Agility/Endurance
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
OR
5x Briarheart
5x Hunding's Rage
1x Maelstrom Two Hander
1x Maelstrom Bow
You understand that because of the cooldown it equals hundings in weapon damage if you proc it on cooldown and much worse if there is a delay in proc...the heal is negligent because it's so small...maybe it has uses in PvP, but definitely not pve
But the heal is so small because you can get it literally several times per second if your stacking DoTs on a high crit build. I've been running it PvP the last 5 days or so and it just doesn't proc nearly as often. I imagine that's due to people running impen.
I don't think you saw my earlier comment. I said for PVP and Arena it has its uses, but not in endgame PvE.
For pvp briarheart is useless because you are relying on crit damage you will want a somewhat high crit % for it to proc often enough for the heals and weapon damage crit is basically worthless in pvp
1. You clearly don't understand what p2w means...gaining access to the very *** (100+ runs so far and no weapon) chance of getting a weapon which increases your damage by 8%ish is not p2w...that's basic service...if you want access to new content in which time was invested you will have to pay for it and for the game to stay interesting there has to be new content...
2. I don't PvP, so I am not sure, but I know that not everyone wears impen gear, so as I said it has its uses, but if you are saying it doesn't then it's even more important to buff the set.
1. Ok dude stop inventing definitions...here is the first link in google search: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pay-to-win . You cant buy gear in ESO so its not p2w...
2. Like i said before, but it clearly doesnt resonate with you - I don't PvP, whether it works there or not is not my concern, but lets assume that youre right and it doesnt work there. So now you ahve a set that doesnt worrk in eitherr PvP or endgame group PvE, with the only possible other option being Arena, but there are better sets to run there. I dont think lowering the cooldown to 10 seconds or even 12 seconds would make it OP...do you believe it would?
3. If the game doesn't update gear it has no longevity, to update gear you nead to create ways to acuire said gear and make the gear itself. Im assuming you have a job. At your job do you expect to be given money without working? Same goes for developers who make these games and companies that finance them. This so called paywall is basic and logical compensation for work put in...
While you definition of P2W is correct, you really should not go to UrbanDictionary as that is a site that has not real ties to proper definitions. As from that. No one should even look at Deltia as most of his work is just bias and very little of his builds are original.
The definition on urban dictionary in this case is accurate, and since p2w is not a docti9nary term but a colloquialism, urban dictionary is the perfect place to look up its definition. As for Deltia, like I said I won't even bother.0 -
dwtdwtdwt✭✭✭Right now I use 5-piece Brairheart, 4piece Morkuldin, 3-piece Agility with dual wield and it works great. But, Briarheart is not meant to be on a cooldown. It is meant for high-crit builds. I also run 77% crit chance when buffed, so the briars proc a lot more- no need for a cooldown. If you're not procuring the briars as often as you like, then you need to increase your critical chance percentage. Players need to remember to adapt to the game and its environment, instead of the other way around.Edited by dwtdwtdwt on May 22, 2016 6:04PM"Only the dead have seen the end of war." -Plato0 -
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✭Right now I use 5-piece Brairheart, 4piece Morkuldin, 3-piece Agility with dual wield and it works great. But, Briarheart is not meant to be on a cooldown. It is meant for high-crit builds. I also run 77% crit chance when buffed, so the briars proc a lot more- no need for a cooldown. If you're not procuring the briars as often as you like, then you need to increase your critical chance percentage. Players need to remember to adapt to the game and its environment, instead of the other way around.
Read the set dude...the cooldown on its proc is 15 seconds, so you get 448 weapon damage for 10 seconds and then you get 0 weapon damage for 5 seconds. This averages to be 298 weapon damage over 15 seconds. This is exactly why noone in true endgame will use this set for any group activity...its just not good enough...plus there is no guarantee that you would have it proc exactly when the cooldown is up making that average weapon damage go lower and lower.1 -
AOECAPS✭✭✭✭@hedna123b14_ESO you Apparently know everything ever close the thread down guys herbs told us all what's going on.he watched a delta video even though he doesn't like him and he just knows0
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✭@hedna123b14_ESO you Apparently know everything ever close the thread down guys herbs told us all what's going on.he watched a delta video even though he doesn't like him and he just knows
Lol...I don't know everything silly, but I do know that if you are using Briarheart in endgame group content then you won't ever outdps me cause that set is bad;)0 -
rokrdt05✭✭✭✭@hedna123b14_ESO you Apparently know everything ever close the thread down guys herbs told us all what's going on.he watched a delta video even though he doesn't like him and he just knows
And yet, you contribute nothing to what the original post was about, again not making any valid points. Had you done any in game testing and had some basic mathematical skills you'd see he is correct in the sets usefulness. He hasn't attacked anyone or the like, only commented on the sets subpar stats compared to what you could have crafted and why he feels it should have a reduced cool down. Also keep in mind he is strictly referring to end game pve and potential sets that should benefit min/maxxers (for the grind the sets are behind).
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✭I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.0 -
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✭✭✭GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
Are these going to be sellable?
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✭GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
I wish you could sell it, at least if make money, as it stands now they are all BoP.0 -
Khamira✭✭✭I know that now I can sound silly, but I once tested theoretically out of curiosity how good is Briarheart compared to Hunding. And they come very close when you compare same pieces, same traits and Briar's 100% perfect up-time which is hard to keep all the time unless you sacrifice your damage for crit.
But when you compare:
The time investment for obtaining both sets in perfect traits
The look of both sets (Not that Briar is ugly, it just doesn't match medieval knight or rogue or assassin look unless you wanna be a plant barbarian)
The pain-in-the-butt of keeping Briar active vs. passively working Hunding
And that sound when Briar procs and you are like "OMG WAT ARE HAPPENINGZ?! Oh, It's only my desired buff, not a horny echatere..."
Then Hunding clearly wins. Of course everything was "tested" theoretically, so in practice it could be more or less different.
But I just can't stand that I have like 4 full Pariah sets, some Briarheart thingies here and there and can craft almost the same set in 1 minute. Grinding is not playing game for me and I don't like luck-games.Kha'jira's Scribbles - Such Blog, Many Thingies, Very Wow!1 -
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✭✭✭I really dont like the Briar hats.
I really wish they alloeed convert to imperial on drop sets.
I like the set results tho.
To me the diff for hunding and briar remains JEWELRY.
Briar lets me have 2 armor and three jewels and i cant craft that.
Means i can have both hunding and briar.
To me the main benefit of the three wrothgar daily drops is the jewels which make each set good for some use.
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✭GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
Are these going to be sellable?
All BOP now iirc.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
I wish you could sell it, at least if make money, as it stands now they are all BoP.
Yes, as soon as I figure out how to put those on sale via the guild, I will. I just joined a couple guilds and still the newbie trying to figure out how things work in the guild, especially selling stuff. I also have a set of Pariah and Fury as well that needs to go up on sale.
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✭GreenhaloX wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
Are these going to be sellable?
All BOP now iirc.hedna123b14_ESO wrote: »GreenhaloX wrote: »I got four pieces of the Briarhart, but can't bring myself to wear those. It just isn't my look. Will put those on sale on the trade guild once I am able.
I wish you could sell it, at least if make money, as it stands now they are all BoP.
Yes, as soon as I figure out how to put those on sale via the guild, I will. I just joined a couple guilds and still the newbie trying to figure out how things work in the guild, especially selling stuff. I also have a set of Pariah and Fury as well that needs to go up on sale.
Is there an option to trade or barter with other players? Be good if so.
I don't think you understand, you can't sell em. They are BoP as in Bind on Pickup.0 -
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✭That blows then.. why the heck you're not able to put stuff you find on sale. I understand for dyed armor pieces, you are not able. That's not good if you're not able to let others have the armor pieces. Still, I'll try it out to see for myself. I just figured out how to put stuff on sale from someone awesome from another discussion showing how to do it.0