Vampirism needs work

waterfairy · May 2016

I decided to roll my first vamp thinking it followed TES logic that by not feeding I would grow stronger yet have a greater weakness. Well the weakness is there at stage 4 but the "strength" is a meager reduction of vampire skill costs and there's only 2 skills...am I missing something or is this how they have handled vampirism in ESO?
I was fully expecting something better at stage 4 like a powerful new spell just like it was in previous TES games.

I know I'm not alone here and late to the complain train but after last night I felt I had to say something publicly.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Unfortunately, this is not a traditional TES game. Vampirism is a constantly changing condition in all of the elder scrolls games. Each title handled it differently. Example being this particular strain of vampirism are "day walkers", where previous installments took sunlight damage, or as in Skyrim, negated regeneration in sunlight. But, apparently, the cost reduction on certain builds allows those abilities to be spammed. Makes a not so powerful ability viable enough to offset the fire weakness.

SolarCat02 · May 2016

There are actually changes coming to the vampire skill line with the Dark Brotherhood update. The passives will all have a minimum vampire level in order to work.
In essence, they are making the lower stage Vampire's weaker... But I guess it has the same effect as your suggestion?

The passive regeneration will also not require a skill to be slotted to use it. I am especially excited about this one. The other change doesn't impact me, as neither of my vampires have ever fed.

More skills to choose from would always be nice, of course, provided they don't unbalance anything?

Fallen_Ray · May 2016

Given how long day time lasts in ESO vs how long night lasts. It would be fair and balanced that the negative effects of vampirism like health regen reduction only applied during the day. And during night time no health regen penalties. Fire weakness however remaining unchanged since us vampires are undead.

Fallen_Ray · May 2016

EDIT: Duplicate Post

Rohamad_Ali · May 2016

No cuz ..... Lore

It didn't make sense to me either but it's their universe an I'm just mist forming through it .

waterfairy · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Unfortunately, this is not a traditional TES game. Vampirism is a constantly changing condition in all of the elder scrolls games. Each title handled it differently. Example being this particular strain of vampirism are "day walkers", where previous installments took sunlight damage, or as in Skyrim, negated regeneration in sunlight. But, apparently, the cost reduction on certain builds allows those abilities to be spammed. Makes a not so powerful ability viable enough to offset the fire weakness.

I know this isn't a proper TES game but I was hoping that by following the stages of vampirism, they also followed the strength and weakness concept. As of now I have a life drain that locks up both me and the NPC, an ultimate that costs too much for what it does and an invisibility spell that would only be useful to a NB who already have their own invisibility spell.

CasNation · May 2016

The strength/weaknesses concept you want is coming with the DB expansion. Also, not sure why you think mist form is only useful to NB, but whatever, not the point of the post.

You can read the patch notes on the PTS section of the forums.

Uriel_Nocturne · May 2016

Essence Drain will still suck after Zenimax gimped it several patches back.

Mist Form will still be useful only in niche circumstances.

The Bat Swarm Ultimate is the only Skill for Vamps that has any real use (IMO).

Vampires... why Zenimax hates them so much is beyond me.

Tholian1 · May 2016

The only real perk for being starved to stage 4, after the upcoming DB DLC goes live, will be the dark stalker passive. Feeding will only restore your health regen rate and will remove your stealth speed perk,. My vamp is already prepared to permanently never feed.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Tholian1 wrote: »

The only real perk for being starved to stage 4, after the upcoming DB DLC goes live, will be the dark stalker passive. Feeding will only restore your health regen rate and will remove your stealth speed perk,. My vamp is already prepared to permanently never feed.

A hundred people just refueled their flamethrowers. Lol

Tholian1 · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

The only real perk for being starved to stage 4, after the upcoming DB DLC goes live, will be the dark stalker passive. Feeding will only restore your health regen rate and will remove your stealth speed perk,. My vamp is already prepared to permanently never feed.

A hundred people just refueled their flamethrowers. Lol

As far as I am aware, the fire damage remains throughout all the stages.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Ah, I thought it got progressively worse through the stages.

Tholian1 · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Ah, I thought it got progressively worse through the stages.

My bad. I just glanced at the PTS patch notes, it is progressive. But I have champion points allocated for that already and have already adjusted my play style to deal with fire. Feeding just isn't worth losing the stealth speed for me.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Tholian1 wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Ah, I thought it got progressively worse through the stages.

My bad. I just glanced at the PTS patch notes, it is progressive. But I have champion points allocated for that already and have already adjusted my play style to deal with fire. Feeding just isn't worth losing the stealth speed for me.

Lol I just checked some info as well. Apparently outdated as it used to be a constant +25% fire damage through all 4 stages. Guess I subconsciously remembered it from the patch notes.
Edit: Stealth speed was the entire reason I ran with night's silence set forever.

Firerock2 · May 2016

Vamp is balanced for this MMO. This isn't skyrim, oblivion, or morrowind. This is an MMO, the vampire skill line is balanced because of this. I don't care if the lore is screwed up, its balanced the way it is.

Tholian1 · May 2016

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Tholian1 wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Ah, I thought it got progressively worse through the stages.

My bad. I just glanced at the PTS patch notes, it is progressive. But I have champion points allocated for that already and have already adjusted my play style to deal with fire. Feeding just isn't worth losing the stealth speed for me.

Lol I just checked some info as well. Apparently outdated as it used to be a constant +25% fire damage through all 4 stages. Guess I subconsciously remembered it from the patch notes.
Edit: Stealth speed was the entire reason I ran with night's silence set forever.

Yeah, Night's Silence is ok until you switch weapon bars. Then it gets annoying when you start moving like a snail.

Edit: that is if you are running two different crafted sets.

emily3989 · May 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

GivvumBoane wrote: »

Unfortunately, this is not a traditional TES game. Vampirism is a constantly changing condition in all of the elder scrolls games. Each title handled it differently. Example being this particular strain of vampirism are "day walkers", where previous installments took sunlight damage, or as in Skyrim, negated regeneration in sunlight. But, apparently, the cost reduction on certain builds allows those abilities to be spammed. Makes a not so powerful ability viable enough to offset the fire weakness.

I know this isn't a proper TES game but I was hoping that by following the stages of vampirism, they also followed the strength and weakness concept. As of now I have a life drain that locks up both me and the NPC, an ultimate that costs too much for what it does and an invisibility spell that would only be useful to a NB who already have their own invisibility spell.

The ult is pretty sweet - it only costs 155 ult in stage 4, mine seems like it is up all the time, and will get you out of a pinch as good as most ults will.

GivvumBoane · May 2016

Firerock2 wrote: »

Vamp is balanced for this MMO. This isn't skyrim, oblivion, or morrowind. This is an MMO, the vampire skill line is balanced because of this. I don't care if the lore is screwed up, its balanced the way it is.

Whoa, nobody said lore was screwed up, just different in every elder scrolls game. Which is in line with lore. Every elderscrolls game handled it differently. In Oblivion, you would take physical damage when in sunlight, Skyrim just negated regeneration and offered the polymorph. I think in Morrowind you used to straight catch fire in the sunlight, but it's been a while. But, lore explains this as being different strains of vampirism, they even gave the strains separate names.