(VIDEO) Stamknights Strongest Setup In The Game?

LegendaryMage · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I literaly said in my first post I blamed the game, not the player.

Etaniel wrote: »

The main execute of Leg Mage actually.

Etaniel, every time you open your mouth you should be arrested for air pollution.

Are you denying that your playstyle is very defensive? Just writing your name somewhere is a personnal attack now?

How is 46.5k magicka and 2.5/6k spell dmg defensive? You know how many sorcs out there have way higher regens than my barely 1.6k unbuffed?

And also, do you know how defensive and tanky fluff is on his dk? Go watch the video where he pops magma and also holds block, I'm still slowly melting him down regardless of that stuff. I'm not THAT defensive you know...

Etaniel · May 2016

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I literaly said in my first post I blamed the game, not the player.

Etaniel wrote: »

The main execute of Leg Mage actually.

Etaniel, every time you open your mouth you should be arrested for air pollution.

Are you denying that your playstyle is very defensive? Just writing your name somewhere is a personnal attack now?

How is 46.5k magicka and 2.5/6k spell dmg defensive? You know how many sorcs out there have way higher regens than my barely 1.6k unbuffed?

Considering your shield scales on your max mana, that you have a personnal tree called a storm atro to los around, and that you usually play amidst your mines and use a lot of heavy resto attacks.... yes you have a defensive playstyle. Playstyle != setup

LegendaryMage · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

I literaly said in my first post I blamed the game, not the player.

Etaniel wrote: »

The main execute of Leg Mage actually.

Etaniel, every time you open your mouth you should be arrested for air pollution.

Are you denying that your playstyle is very defensive? Just writing your name somewhere is a personnal attack now?

How is 46.5k magicka and 2.5/6k spell dmg defensive? You know how many sorcs out there have way higher regens than my barely 1.6k unbuffed?

Considering your shield scales on your max mana, that you have a personnal tree call eda storm atro to los around, and that you usually play amidst your mines and use a lot of heavy resto attacks.... yes you have a defensive playstyle. Playstyle != setup

Yeah, I have my ways of dealing with pressure and I do it because it's necessary. I don't use shields or mines/atro on the templar, I use other things. Things that are not viable or accessible to sorcerers. Have you played a sorcerer so far?

Wollust · May 2016

This thread is about to become good. Yessss

blabafat · May 2016

Wollust wrote: »

This thread is about to become good. Yessss

lolol

We'll see

frozywozy · May 2016

LegendaryMage wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

Eh, various builds/classes have great synergy with certain sets. If we are going to target Templar and DK, we might as well target everybody. We can take all of the sets that add damage like spell power cure, alchemist, molag kena, ect and make them major sorcery? We can take engine guardian and all of the various sustain sets and make them grant major buffs for stamina/magicka recovery.

I would say that boosting healing taken through the roof is not a great synergy, it's totally OP and promotes endless fights. Getting rid of these cheesy tactics one by one is what will make the game better in the long run and promote higher quality fights, be it 20vs20 or 5vs5 or 1vs1 etc.

Have you ever fought someone that takes little damage, does insane damage and has crazy healing capabilities (one vigor + rally and boom full hp just like that)? That kind of stuff shouldn't be possible, regardless of your class or build setup. Some of those great synergies are really killing balance and with the addition of new sets and more creative players, we will be seeing more of it rather than less.

Like I've said in the past, the major problem is the fact that both healing and damage potential scales off your weapon damage or spell power. It should NOT be the case. Healing should scale off a third stat totally independent. Just like having more stamina should not increase both your damage and survivability (larger pool to dodge roll, cc break, block and use abilities while increasing your damage). Just like having more magicka should not increase both your damage and survivability (bigger shields, larger pool to use abilities while increasing your damage).

They need to isolate damage from survivability from sustain.

Soris · May 2016

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Derra wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Dueling is not zerging and ZOS wants you to zerg. Stop breaking the game.

ZOS got me so disillusioned i find myself agreeing with almost every comment kris makes on pvp. What have i become.

Some people bloom later than others, no big deal.

Ishammael wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

Yes I'm probably very boring to fight, so i don't impose my boring playstyle to the duelling scene

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Good for you, what do you want now, a cookie?

Please add something more constructive to the thread than personal jabs, we can settle that stuff in Cyrodiil if you want.

It's so cute that you two hate each other.

That's the EU dueling scene for you. I want to pinch their cheeks and make them fresh lemonade.

I like this man's style. Always makes me laugh when reading his posts

ginoboehm · May 2016

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Etaniel · May 2016

ginoboehm wrote: »

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, it's not a personnal jab at mage, his builds are strong and he uses whatever the heck he wants, I don't care, I just explained why I don't like fighting against it..

If people get offended by the word boring that's a whole other issue...

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build

This video doesn't show that one class is the strongest setup, it shows that duelling between high tier players can be endless on any class.

ginoboehm · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, it's not a personnal jab at mage, his builds are strong and he uses whatever the heck he wants, I don't care, I just explained why I don't like fighting against it..

If people get offended by the word boring that's a whole other issue...

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build

This video doesn't show that one class is the strongest setup, it shows that duelling between high tier players can be endless on any class.

nah for sure you didn't wanted to start a drama i know that it is an interesting video that shows that classes can stand at least toe to toe with the best stam dks around not more not less i would say.

olsborg · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, .....

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build
.

Yea duels are boring, and mostly because of your 2 points there, but mostly nr 2, since ppl tend to change their build for specific duels and oponenets therefore imo the pvp in duels is largely syntethic. I like to keep to one buid, for everything, to be well rounded and ready for most situations, that is the challenge to me. Dunno why I mention it here, but I wanted to.

LegendaryMage · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, it's not a personnal jab at mage, his builds are strong and he uses whatever the heck he wants, I don't care, I just explained why I don't like fighting against it..

If people get offended by the word boring that's a whole other issue...

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build

This video doesn't show that one class is the strongest setup, it shows that duelling between high tier players can be endless on any class.

There's no such thing as an open field and closed field and dueling field build. I play a build now that I played then, that I will play tomorrow unless I change it permanently because I judged that something is better than something else.

I could go create a perfect counter build on any class I play, against any type of an opponent, but what good is that in Cyrodiil?

Anyway, this video's purpose is to show that finally, magicka templars are able to stand toe to toe with pretty much anyone. The reason why fluff is in this video, is because even you say that he's probably 'the best player in eso' so who better than fluff to help demonstrate this? And we can't say that his setup is not strong because we all know how many people criticize stamknights on a regular basis. I hope it's more clear now.

The only thing that I didn't understand so far is why fluffy is referring to me as dad. But I'm happy to give him up for adoption to mumyo if he wants him.

Etaniel · May 2016

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, it's not a personnal jab at mage, his builds are strong and he uses whatever the heck he wants, I don't care, I just explained why I don't like fighting against it..

If people get offended by the word boring that's a whole other issue...

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build

This video doesn't show that one class is the strongest setup, it shows that duelling between high tier players can be endless on any class.

There's no such thing as an open field and closed field and dueling field build.

The only thing that I didn't understand so far is why fluffy is referring to me as dad. But I'm happy to give him up for adoption to mumyo if he wants him.

Tell me in which duelling build would you slot rapid? Of course there are open field builds and duel builds, if you use the same for both, good for you but you can't deny their existence.

I guess the dad joke flew way over your head

LegendaryMage · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

ginoboehm wrote: »

can you blame @LegendaryMage for playing defensive and sustained? it works for duels everything else is if anything a game play issue. i dueled his templar with mine as usual i run a high damage setup but he outlasted me. i changed my setup to sustain and we had a draw after that i tried my crazy damage setup and caught him once while he got me 3 times that just shows that he is the better dueler and knows which build to use and how to use them. his builds are not more or less annoying than stam dks with perma disorient and slow. the whole discussion is a joke we should be much more objective and on topic those personal attacks are silly and fluffy beeing one of the best players the game has ever seen sure needs nobody defending him or belittle mage

Helllooooooo I apologized already, because what I meant is that duels are boring, it's not a personnal jab at mage, his builds are strong and he uses whatever the heck he wants, I don't care, I just explained why I don't like fighting against it..

If people get offended by the word boring that's a whole other issue...

As for being back on topic... is there even a topic? The video is just an endless duel that Fluff decided to put an end to because
1. It was endless
2. He was in an open field build

This video doesn't show that one class is the strongest setup, it shows that duelling between high tier players can be endless on any class.

There's no such thing as an open field and closed field and dueling field build.

The only thing that I didn't understand so far is why fluffy is referring to me as dad. But I'm happy to give him up for adoption to mumyo if he wants him.

Tell me in which duelling build would you slot rapid? Of course there are open field builds and duel builds, if you use the same for both, good for you but you can't deny their existence.

I guess the dad joke flew way over your head

You're not looking to start drama but you're always up for arguing, even when you're dead wrong about something.

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. For me there's no distinction between dueling and non-dueling build. When I'm in a battle in Cyrodiil, I have 5+1 abilities on both bars and that's it for me. Whether I go to meet up with players at duel spots or I run between keeps, that's it man. What's wrong with that? Everything else is not realistic. Now, you can call it 1vX build, healing build, tanking build and everything in between, but it's a build and you can't change your build when you're in combat. You can change it when you're out of combat and swap things all you want, but it's still your build no matter how you name it.

As jovre said, the players that change builds just for duels are creating synthetic fights. And I agree, that's why some other people don't like to duel them. Because they run total complete counter builds and it's not fun to participate in such fights. We already have enough imbalances in the game, artificially creating more by yourself is not helping anyone.

It's good that fluff had rapids. Without them my charge would fire off every now and then without issues and he wouldn't be able to run away.

And to answer your question, I would slot rapids (retreat morph) on almost any stamina build I'd play. It's too good to miss out on. That's why I keep complete darkstride with jewelry in my bank too, because I like to sprint with rapids. That makes me a bit sub-optimal in 1vs1 but it makes me much more mobile in 1vX or Xv1 which is what Cyrodiil is mostly about anyway.

Etaniel · May 2016

LegendaryMage wrote: »

You're not looking to start drama but you're always up for arguing, even when you're dead wrong about something.

Jesus Christ...

First of all, wanting to argue does not equal wanting to start drama. What's the point in conversation, debate and discussion if you have to agree 100% of the time?

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. For me there's no distinction between dueling and non-dueling build. When I'm in a battle in Cyrodiil, I have 5+1 abilities on both bars and that's it for me. Whether I go to meet up with players at duel spots or I run between keeps, that's it man. What's wrong with that?

Did I say it was wrong to stick to one build? No. But just because you can't see the distinction between the two doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Everything else is not realistic. Now, you can call it 1vX build, healing build, tanking build and everything in between, but it's a build and you can't change your build when you're in combat. You can change it when you're out of combat and swap things all you want, but it's still your build no matter how you name it.

I completely missed the logic of that argument. Changing skills out of combat means you are changing your build. How is that not true? There is a difference between an open field build and a duelling build for most people, and there are obvious examples as to why :
-A duel is a fixed fight, which means you're not supposed to run away, it's win or lose (or draw) but you're never going to need to escape, heal/support a friend, deal with multiple opponents.
-An open field build is geared to be polyvalent as Cyrodiil encounters are random, and you will face many different combat situations. A duel is always a 1v1, it's something you can count on, so something you can build on.
Why would you waste skill slots? ie why would you keep harness magicka against a stam blade? You're only gimping yourself.
It's the whole point of duelling, it's scripted so that you know what you are facing, contrary to open world.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

As jovre said, the players that change builds just for duels are creating synthetic fights. And I agree, that's why some other people don't like to duel them. Because they run total complete counter builds and it's not fun to participate in such fights. We already have enough imbalances in the game, artificially creating more by yourself is not helping anyone.

He's partially right, I would add that duels themselves are synthetic fights alltogether. Random encounters in Cyrodiil don't start with zero ultimate, don't start when each person agrees to it, don't abide by any rules of banned sets/skills/potions or whatever. Everything about duelling is synthetic. Switching gear/skills between each duel according to your opponent is taking it to the next level, and I understand how that can be annoying to fight, but hey : you're duelling a player, not a build.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

It's good that fluff had rapids. Without them my charge would fire off every now and then without issues and he wouldn't be able to run away.

And why did he run away? Because it wasn't a duel

LegendaryMage · May 2016

Etaniel wrote: »

LegendaryMage wrote: »

You're not looking to start drama but you're always up for arguing, even when you're dead wrong about something.

Jesus Christ...

First of all, wanting to argue does not equal wanting to start drama. What's the point in conversation, debate and discussion if you have to agree 100% of the time?

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Well, let's just agree to disagree then. For me there's no distinction between dueling and non-dueling build. When I'm in a battle in Cyrodiil, I have 5+1 abilities on both bars and that's it for me. Whether I go to meet up with players at duel spots or I run between keeps, that's it man. What's wrong with that?

Did I say it was wrong to stick to one build? No. But just because you can't see the distinction between the two doesn't mean that I'm wrong.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

Everything else is not realistic. Now, you can call it 1vX build, healing build, tanking build and everything in between, but it's a build and you can't change your build when you're in combat. You can change it when you're out of combat and swap things all you want, but it's still your build no matter how you name it.

I completely missed the logic of that argument. Changing skills out of combat means you are changing your build. How is that not true? There is a difference between an open field build and a duelling build for most people, and there are obvious examples as to why :
-A duel is a fixed fight, which means you're not supposed to run away, it's win or lose (or draw) but you're never going to need to escape, heal/support a friend, deal with multiple opponents.
-An open field build is geared to be polyvalent as Cyrodiil encounters are random, and you will face many different combat situations. A duel is always a 1v1, it's something you can count on, so something you can build on.
Why would you waste skill slots? ie why would you keep harness magicka against a stam blade? You're only gimping yourself.
It's the whole point of duelling, it's scripted so that you know what you are facing, contrary to open world.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

As jovre said, the players that change builds just for duels are creating synthetic fights. And I agree, that's why some other people don't like to duel them. Because they run total complete counter builds and it's not fun to participate in such fights. We already have enough imbalances in the game, artificially creating more by yourself is not helping anyone.

He's partially right, I would add that duels themselves are synthetic fights alltogether. Random encounters in Cyrodiil don't start with zero ultimate, don't start when each person agrees to it, don't abide by any rules of banned sets/skills/potions or whatever. Everything about duelling is synthetic. Switching gear/skills between each duel according to your opponent is taking it to the next level, and I understand how that can be annoying to fight, but hey : you're duelling a player, not a build.

LegendaryMage wrote: »

It's good that fluff had rapids. Without them my charge would fire off every now and then without issues and he wouldn't be able to run away.

And why did he run away? Because it wasn't a duel

We can argue about dueling all day long, everyone has their reasons and logic behind why they do it. To me it's just practice for cyrodiil, hence why I 'gimp' myself by having harness when I'm fighting stamina people. I don't know why fluff ran tbh, maybe he was running low on resources, maybe he was bored, or maybe he needed to go the bathroom real bad... I'm too tired to reply to all your quotes so I'll call it a day here.

genjutsu_kami · May 2016

(goes to make redguard DK)

Fluffy_Fr0zR · May 2016

"redguard StamDK" "out of resources"
kek.