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Why NB is OP in 1 actual picture

  • OdinForge
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
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    This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.

    If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.

    Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.

    What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.

    https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck


    The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.

    Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.

    Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.

    You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).

    I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread

    That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.

    I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.
    Lemme know when you find the magic spamable button that every class can press to go in stealth whenever they want, mhhkay.

    Holo.

    That literally has nothing to do with being able to pull high damage from stealth, it's just a tool NB as a class can use for positioning. So that really has nothing to do with my point, or the point made by Duke and others. Every class including stamplar and stamsorc can pull the same type of high damage from stealth, you cannot hold NB accountable for ZOS' inability to balance out of stealth damage. The big effect of cloak isn't even unique to that skill, thanks to potions and the champion system passive.
    Edited by OdinForge on May 13, 2016 6:54PM
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  • OdinForge
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    Repost.
    Edited by OdinForge on May 13, 2016 6:53PM
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  • HoloYoitsu
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.

    If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.

    Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.

    What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.

    https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck


    The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.

    Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.

    Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.

    You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).

    I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread

    That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.

    I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.
    Lemme know when you find the magic spamable button that every class can press to go in stealth whenever they want, mhhkay.

    Holo.

    That literally has nothing to do with being able to pull high damage from stealth, it's just a tool NB as a class can use for positioning. So that really has nothing to do with my point, or the point made by Duke and others. Every class including stamplar and stamsorc can pull the same type of high damage from stealth, you cannot hold NB accountable for ZOS' inability to balance out of stealth damage. The big effect of cloak isn't even unique to that skill, thanks to potions and the champion system passive.
    I dunno man, I ain't much edumacated mahself, but seems to me that being able to go into stealth is a pretty big requirement to being able to pull any damage from stealth.

    #MakeDamages
  • OdinForge
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    Post #54

    Cloak isn't crouch.
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  • DDuke
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    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.

    If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.

    Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.

    What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.

    https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck


    The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.

    Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.

    Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.

    You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).

    I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread

    That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.

    I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.
    Lemme know when you find the magic spamable button that every class can press to go in stealth whenever they want, mhhkay.

    In which universe does this happen?

    The only time you can cloak reliably is when you have zero DoTs on opponent(s) & they have zero DoTs on you (or incoming projectiles/melee attacks). Which is pretty much never (outside ganking).

    It hasn't worked properly since 1.6.
    Edited by DDuke on May 13, 2016 7:12PM
  • Darnathian
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.

    If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.

    Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.

    What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.

    https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck


    The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.

    Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.

    Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.

    You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).

    I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread

    That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.

    I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.

    Was the OP a NB that did a 27.8k HA and a 14k surprise attack instantly?

    it has everything to do with it. You all are claiming RD is OP because it does 24k over 8 seconds. 3k dps.

    my math may be off but these seems a LITTLE HIGHER. LOL

    Ty for proving my point. Nb defending this bs. You Rekt yourself yo. LMAO
  • Darnathian
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    HoloYoitsu wrote: »
    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    DDuke wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    This is absolutely hysterical. All the nb's claiming Temp RD for 24k over 8 seconds is way OP but the instagibs for 19-27k from NBs is okay in this thread.

    If you are actually interested in PvP in your game Zos either tone down both or leave both alone.

    Either way great job to all you self proclaimed NB and Sorc balance masters in the other threads! Your doing great proving your unbiased.

    What is hysterical is all the people crying about "NB instagibs". Every class can instagib if you build for it, not just Nightblades.

    https://youtu.be/8UIs4TfhSck


    The only class that cannot recover from the burst should he/she survive it is Nightblade, because Nightblades lack big class shields/heals or Major Mending to block & outheal incoming damage.

    Cloak used to be our tool to survive, but we all know how broken it is currently.

    Next patch, you wont even be able to roll dodge to live a couple of seconds, because those DBOS DoT ticks (and initial hit+knockdown) are undodgeable.

    You should be complaining about instagibs, not about Nightblades (who suffer from them the most).

    I said either tone down both or leave them alone. I was pointing out that a bunch of nbs were claiming radiant distruction was overpowered but they are mysteriously silent in this thread

    That's because this thread has nothing to do with either RD or NB. Duke made his point that high stealth damage can be achieved by any class, your insistence that this has anything to do with NB still is hilarious.

    I'm still waiting on that duel you threatened me with.
    Lemme know when you find the magic spamable button that every class can press to go in stealth whenever they want, mhhkay.

    Holo.

    That literally has nothing to do with being able to pull high damage from stealth, it's just a tool NB as a class can use for positioning. So that really has nothing to do with my point, or the point made by Duke and others. Every class including stamplar and stamsorc can pull the same type of high damage from stealth, you cannot hold NB accountable for ZOS' inability to balance out of stealth damage. The big effect of cloak isn't even unique to that skill, thanks to potions and the champion system passive.

    Think about what u just said. I agree with it. You can reposition. A templar cant.

    HENCE THE longer distance. Also a channel. another reason for more distance from your class.

    all i am saying is the biasm is real.
  • OdinForge
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    Darnathian, I think ESO is too complicated for you to handle. Maybe you should stick to Halo, all you have to do is shoot at things in that game. You keep bringing up magical RD as if it has anything to do with this thread.
    Was the OP a NB that did a 27.8k HA and a 14k surprise attack instantly?
    -Darnathian

    Is that the extent of your ability to see the world, the OP player could have easily been any class and you'd just think it was a NB anyway.
    my math may be off but these seems a LITTLE HIGHER. LOL
    -Darnathian

    Pretty much everything you say is off.
    Think about what u just said. I agree with it. You can reposition. A templar cant.
    -Darnathian

    Re-positioning yourself has nothing to do with out of crouch damage. The whole point of high damage ganking is to sneak up on someone while crouched without cloak to get your big burst. Every class can achieve what you see in the OP, and cloak has nothing to do with that.

    You are so lost.
    Ty for proving my point. Nb defending this bs. You Rekt yourself yo. LMAO
    -Darnathian

    The only point you've made, is that you're lost as typical. I'm glad I can help you come to that conclusion.
    Where is that duel you threatened me with
    Edited by OdinForge on May 13, 2016 8:09PM
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    Can we just nerf magicka DK and call it a day?
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  • OdinForge
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    Bonus damage from stealth.

    Comes from crouch, every class has access to stealth burst damage when built for it. The type of damage seen in the OP can be done via various skills/passives for any class. Therefore the OP is not exclusive to NB as a class alone.

    Re-position via cloak

    Cloak won't offer you the same level (absolutely nowhere near it) of burst damage, that being in crouch would. Therefore cloak as a positioning tool is irrelevant to the OP or the topic of instagib ganking. Any class can get in close to instakill you.

    These two very simple points mean that NB as a class cannot be held responsible for stealth damage. Really that's it, argue it all you want.

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  • Zheg
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    _Chaos wrote: »
    Can we just nerf magicka DK and call it a day?

    As I said in TS last night, GDB is a bit too strong and needs a nerf, and flame whip should be reflectable. #nerfDKs

    @Ghost-Shot can you please confirm that these balance changes will make everything right in Cyrodiil again?
    Edited by Zheg on May 13, 2016 8:29PM
  • Darnathian
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian, I think ESO is too complicated for you to handle. Maybe you should stick to Halo, all you have to do is shoot at things in that game. You keep bringing up magical RD as if it has anything to do with this thread.
    Was the OP a NB that did a 27.8k HA and a 14k surprise attack instantly?
    -Darnathian

    Is that the extent of your ability to see the world, the OP player could have easily been any class and you'd just think it was a NB anyway.
    my math may be off but these seems a LITTLE HIGHER. LOL
    -Darnathian

    Pretty much everything you say is off.
    Think about what u just said. I agree with it. You can reposition. A templar cant.
    -Darnathian

    Re-positioning yourself has nothing to do with out of crouch damage. The whole point of high damage ganking is to sneak up on someone while crouched without cloak to get your big burst. Every class can achieve what you see in the OP, and cloak has nothing to do with that.

    You are so lost.
    Ty for proving my point. Nb defending this bs. You Rekt yourself yo. LMAO
    -Darnathian

    The only point you've made, is that you're lost as typical. I'm glad I can help you come to that conclusion.
    Where is that duel you threatened me with

    All u helped me with was laugh at u more. The comment was for all the Nbs whining
    about other classes abilities being OP when this crap is happening.

    I dont care how the damage is achieved. obviously they are completely different. what i find hysterical is that nbs think putting out that damage instantly is okay but 20 threads get made about RD putting out 3k dps

    u made my night. ty. lol
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    When you learn how to gank properly, maybe you can comment about ganking.

    ZOS save Darnathian now.
    Edited by OdinForge on May 13, 2016 8:57PM
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  • Darnathian
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    When you learn how to gank properly, maybe you can comment about ganking.

    ZOS save Darnathian now.

    Lol have fun nerd. going out.
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    Class discussion in this forum is mostly politicized. When someone like Darnathian posts, it's never about fact, reason or balance. It's only about his individual preferences and supporting whichever opinion best represents them.

    I would guess upwards of 90% of posters here have never bothered to research how ESO mechanics actually work.
  • Darnathian
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    zyk wrote: »
    Class discussion in this forum is mostly politicized. When someone like Darnathian posts, it's never about fact, reason or balance. It's only about his individual preferences and supporting whichever opinion best represents them.

    I would guess upwards of 90% of posters here have never bothered to research how ESO mechanics actually work.

    Not about facts? lol

    Nbs making multiple threads of temp doing 24k RD over 8 seconds. FACT

    Nbs think everything is normal when they put out 27.8 k HA and 14k SA in one second. FACT.

    but that is okay for nbs because of class design. but templars playing like they were designed is not okay.

    i may not speak nerd like u, but i believe those are facts.

    Read my posts again. where did i call for any nerfs? i said leave them both alone.

    I was just laughing at u all. And now im laughing again. i played all classes silly. Lol.
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    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8
  • Darnathian
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    zyk wrote: »
    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

    Nice comeback dude! u proved my point nerd
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    Darnathian wrote: »
    zyk wrote: »
    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

    Nice comeback dude! u proved my point nerd

    thank you
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    Lyar09 wrote: »
    I am not an advocate of nightblade what so ever. Personally, I wish they would delete the entire class haha

    :cry:

    Stealth mechanics are dumb though for real.
    Edited by KenaPKK on May 13, 2016 10:14PM
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  • holosoul
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    @Darnathian
    What does this have to do with NBs?

    I play exclusively sorc, and I'm telling you the same thing.
    The damage you see is an attack from behind while crouching, which also crit.
    That is, it has the crouch multiplier and the crit multiplier, probably CP in crit damage also

    Or do you mean the 10% extra weapon damage while stealthed passive that only NBs get is OP?
    I'll tell you right now he would have died with or without that passive in this case.

    The reason Odin is telling you it's not an NB issue is because anyone can do it with any class. So it can't possibly be called a class balance issue. If you really don't want to take crouch damage, run radiant magelight which again, passively prevents all bonus damage (and the stun) from behind-target crouch attacks, whether you cast the reveal or not. It's always.

    Honestly it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand rather than Odin. Don't come back at me saying I'm an NB blah blah blah the highest level NB I have isn't even level 15.

    Edit: Also, the magelight passive applies to your whole group. Not very helpful for a solo player but in a raid you almost definitely have crouch immunity all the time; unless you have a raid of people who are not organized whatsoever and run all solo play abilities...
    Edited by holosoul on May 13, 2016 10:44PM
  • Darnathian
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    zyk wrote: »
    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

    Nice comeback dude! u proved my point nerd
    holosoul wrote: »
    @Darnathian
    What does this have to do with NBs?

    I play exclusively sorc, and I'm telling you the same thing.
    The damage you see is an attack from behind while crouching, which also crit.
    That is, it has the crouch multiplier and the crit multiplier, probably CP in crit damage also

    Or do you mean the 10% extra weapon damage while stealthed passive that only NBs get is OP?
    I'll tell you right now he would have died with or without that passive in this case.

    The reason Odin is telling you it's not an NB issue is because anyone can do it with any class. So it can't possibly be called a class balance issue. If you really don't want to take crouch damage, run radiant magelight which again, passively prevents all bonus damage (and the stun) from behind-target crouch attacks, whether you cast the reveal or not. It's always.

    Honestly it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand rather than Odin. Don't come back at me saying I'm an NB blah blah blah the highest level NB I have isn't even level 15.

    Edit: Also, the magelight passive applies to your whole group. Not very helpful for a solo player but in a raid you almost definitely have crouch immunity all the time; unless you have a raid of people who are not organized whatsoever and run all solo play abilities...

    Bc..... They are NBs making multiple threads about a channel that does 3k DPS is OP but 41k instagib is okay bc class design but not for temp. i find that hysterical.

    14k SA is okay? low cost instacast but RD is a problem.

    i had two nbs. i am just pointing out how biased they are. i think nbs and temps are in a good place and should leave them alone. as i stated
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    Hyssia wrote: »
    Master_Kas wrote: »
    You was naked? Luckily I've haven't gotten hit by any surprise attack above 9k this patch.

    You sir, got rekt xD

    found the guy 5 times later that night, he got _very_ rekt :^)

    nerf sorc thread inc

    So, you beat him 5 out of 6 encounters but want him nerfed because you are sad about losing one of them - that is not a call for balance, I would suggest you go back to something offline like skyrim and enable god mode so you can never be upset by a nasty loss again.
  • OdinForge
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    Darnathian wrote: »
    zyk wrote: »
    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

    Nice comeback dude! u proved my point nerd
    holosoul wrote: »
    @Darnathian
    What does this have to do with NBs?

    I play exclusively sorc, and I'm telling you the same thing.
    The damage you see is an attack from behind while crouching, which also crit.
    That is, it has the crouch multiplier and the crit multiplier, probably CP in crit damage also

    Or do you mean the 10% extra weapon damage while stealthed passive that only NBs get is OP?
    I'll tell you right now he would have died with or without that passive in this case.

    The reason Odin is telling you it's not an NB issue is because anyone can do it with any class. So it can't possibly be called a class balance issue. If you really don't want to take crouch damage, run radiant magelight which again, passively prevents all bonus damage (and the stun) from behind-target crouch attacks, whether you cast the reveal or not. It's always.

    Honestly it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand rather than Odin. Don't come back at me saying I'm an NB blah blah blah the highest level NB I have isn't even level 15.

    Edit: Also, the magelight passive applies to your whole group. Not very helpful for a solo player but in a raid you almost definitely have crouch immunity all the time; unless you have a raid of people who are not organized whatsoever and run all solo play abilities...

    Bc..... They are NBs making multiple threads about a channel that does 3k DPS is OP but 41k instagib is okay bc class design but not for temp. i find that hysterical.

    14k SA is okay? low cost instacast but RD is a problem.

    i had two nbs. i am just pointing out how biased they are. i think nbs and temps are in a good place and should leave them alone. as i stated
    Bc..... They are NBs making multiple threads about a channel that does 3k DPS is OP but 41k instagib is okay bc class design but not for temp. i find that hysterical.
    -Darnathian

    There has only been one NB who made a thread about RD, there have been several threads made by non NB including players who main Templar. Get your *** straight.
    14k SA is okay? low cost instacast but RD is a problem.
    -Darnathian

    Once again you cannot seem to grasp the topic of the OP, this is a thread about ganking damage. You can get 24K wrecking blows out of stealth, you can do the same thing with staff heavy attacks or bow and arrow. This type of surprise attack damage can only occur on the initial crouch burst, no one is running around PvP with 14K surprise attack damage left and right.

    It's like you're unable to understand such simple mechanics.
    i had two nbs. i am just pointing out how biased they are. i think nbs and temps are in a good place and should leave them alone. as i stated
    -Darnathian

    You don't know what that term even means.
    Edited by OdinForge on May 14, 2016 4:01PM
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  •  Jules
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    Lyar09 wrote: »
    I am not an advocate of nightblade what so ever. Personally, I wish they would delete the entire class haha That being said, the OP is fabricated. I run 7/7 medium with 6 impen and 1 well fitted, have 17k physical resist, 2200 crit resist, 48 points into hardy, and 8% damage mitigation with restoring focus. I've never, I repeat, NEVER come anywhere close to being hit with those numbers. And I've been ganked by sribes, smiff, and zergbad who run max weapon damage gank builds. This post doesn't do any justice and is just trolling.

    I agree with Lyar. This picture is staged. For one, sorcs do not have 25k physical resistance, he is right. On my stamplar in 7 medium, while standing in my rune which gives me 5280 physical resist, I have 19502 on my s+b bar and 18350 on my 2h bar. I also run 2 bloodspawn. When this procs I have an additional 6450 physical resist, putting me at a max of 24800 on 2h and 25952 on my s+b bar, both numbers in the range of ~25k physical resist.

    I would like someone to show me a sorc that is able to achieve 25k physical resist in a practical sorc build. The only real way to achieve this is through a bloodspawn proc on top of other physical resistance modifiers, or through the heavy armor passive resolve, which increases physical resist per piece of heavy armor equipped. Unless you are specifically running a sorc high physical resist build (which, why would you) you cannot achieve 25k physical resist. If you were doing this, these numbers would still not make any sense whatsoever. I have been ganked repeatedly by all of the reputable gankers including sribes, smiff and zergbad. None of the have ever hit me anywhere close to this hard with 25k physical resist. It's pretty safe to assume that you are lying about your physical resist for 1, and for two, that the NB that hit you was artificially buffed by every damage buff in the game including warhorn and continuous attack, making it staged.
    Edited by Jules on May 14, 2016 5:39PM
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  • Darnathian
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    Darnathian wrote: »
    zyk wrote: »
    "I may not speak nerd like u." You sound like a Homer Simpson cast reject.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IRsPheErBj8

    Nice comeback dude! u proved my point nerd
    holosoul wrote: »
    @Darnathian
    What does this have to do with NBs?

    I play exclusively sorc, and I'm telling you the same thing.
    The damage you see is an attack from behind while crouching, which also crit.
    That is, it has the crouch multiplier and the crit multiplier, probably CP in crit damage also

    Or do you mean the 10% extra weapon damage while stealthed passive that only NBs get is OP?
    I'll tell you right now he would have died with or without that passive in this case.

    The reason Odin is telling you it's not an NB issue is because anyone can do it with any class. So it can't possibly be called a class balance issue. If you really don't want to take crouch damage, run radiant magelight which again, passively prevents all bonus damage (and the stun) from behind-target crouch attacks, whether you cast the reveal or not. It's always.

    Honestly it seems like you're the one who doesn't understand rather than Odin. Don't come back at me saying I'm an NB blah blah blah the highest level NB I have isn't even level 15.

    Edit: Also, the magelight passive applies to your whole group. Not very helpful for a solo player but in a raid you almost definitely have crouch immunity all the time; unless you have a raid of people who are not organized whatsoever and run all solo play abilities...

    Bc..... They are NBs making multiple threads about a channel that does 3k DPS is OP but 41k instagib is okay bc class design but not for temp. i find that hysterical.

    14k SA is okay? low cost instacast but RD is a problem.

    i had two nbs. i am just pointing out how biased they are. i think nbs and temps are in a good place and should leave them alone. as i stated
    Bc..... They are NBs making multiple threads about a channel that does 3k DPS is OP but 41k instagib is okay bc class design but not for temp. i find that hysterical.
    -Darnathian

    There has only been one NB who made a thread about RD, there have been several threads made by non NB including players who main Templar. Get your *** straight.
    14k SA is okay? low cost instacast but RD is a problem.
    -Darnathian

    Once again you cannot seem to grasp the topic of the OP, this is a thread about ganking damage. You can get 24K wrecking blows out of stealth, you can do the same thing with staff heavy attacks or bow and arrow. This type of surprise attack damage can only occur on the initial crouch burst, no one is running around PvP with 14K surprise attack damage left and right.

    It's like you're unable to understand such simple mechanics.
    i had two nbs. i am just pointing out how biased they are. i think nbs and temps are in a good place and should leave them alone. as i stated
    -Darnathian

    You don't know what that term even nk.

    edited bc nm not worth it.
    Edited by Darnathian on May 15, 2016 12:00AM
  • RinaldoGandolphi
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    I want to say:

    My Dumner DK when speced as s fire Mage has hit players in pvp for 29k with a molten arms+tri focus+ high max magicka fully charged heavy staff attack

    Nightblades even Stam builds are not the only ones who can one piece people from full health
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    OdinForge wrote: »
    Repost.

    Sig update required. Either someone copied your name, or I see you in Haddy da other day. o:)
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    Hyssia wrote: »
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    Sometimes, I wonder what we are even doing here. People post stuff that backs up their agenda regardless of whether it's true or not. Do we each have to go test every single statement that's ever made, just to know if it's legit?
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    Hyssia wrote: »
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    Sometimes, I wonder what we are even doing here. People post stuff that backs up their agenda regardless of whether it's true or not. Do we each have to go test every single statement that's ever made, just to know if it's legit?

    feel like doing some testing?
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